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Gastric Bypass Surgery
Vanity | 4/30/2012 | Randy Larsen

Posted on 04/30/2012 9:02:36 PM PDT by Randy Larsen

Are there any freepers out there withe experience with Gastric Bypass Surgery?


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My doctor recommends that I have gastric bypass surgery. Any one know anything about this procedure or have had this performed on them?

I'm not so sure I want to do this.

Please advise...

1 posted on 04/30/2012 9:02:43 PM PDT by Randy Larsen
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To: Randy Larsen

Depends on the procedure. I think they’re doing more “banding” instead of the old staples.
There can be many adverse, unpredictable health problems related to absorbtion.
If you are restricted to meal portions and food selection, you would be better off doing a diet...temporary suffering instead of long term health problems.
Have you done a web search of Gastric Bypass testimonials?


2 posted on 04/30/2012 9:11:52 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: Randy Larsen

I would add that many gastric bypass patients who do not change their eating habits become overweight in spite of the surgery.
You are wise to be cautious.


3 posted on 04/30/2012 9:15:32 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: Randy Larsen

I would not do it.

There is a solid 3% mortality rate with this surgery. Roughly one in 33 chance you are not alive coming off the table.

Personally, if you need to lose weight, best thing to do is trick your body into being full. Plenty of fiber/expanding things you can buy that fill up the stomach, you just have to eat them 20-30 minutes before meals. Konjac root fills and also curbs appetite. there are other herbs and stuff that decrease your appetite. Eating higher fiber veggies like carrots and celery help bulk things up and help deal with appetite.

Gastric bypass is generally considered last resort. I would try everything else before it because for me I would not risk it.


4 posted on 04/30/2012 9:15:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Randy Larsen

I know about 3 people (closely) who had it. A very sweet lady had it 10 years ago at about age 50. She has done well with no relapse and appears to have made a life-change.

A younger, poorly disciplined girl also had it about 10 years ago and is now seriously overweight again.

The 3rd freind had it about 5 years ago and has done well.

All 3 had problems with getting enough protein and proper food management. Forever eating small and often.


5 posted on 04/30/2012 9:16:25 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Randy Larsen

I would add that many gastric bypass patients who do not change their eating habits become overweight in spite of the surgery.
You are wise to be cautious.


6 posted on 04/30/2012 9:17:08 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: Randy Larsen

I would add that many gastric bypass patients who do not change their eating habits become overweight in spite of the surgery.
You are wise to be cautious.


7 posted on 04/30/2012 9:17:38 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: WestwardHo

Thanks WH!

I’m researching all avenues before deciding.


8 posted on 04/30/2012 9:17:38 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worst Rinos ever!)
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To: Randy Larsen

Am I repeating myself?


9 posted on 04/30/2012 9:19:28 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: Randy Larsen

I try to stick to meats and vegetables.
Grains will plump you up (sugar too)

I love me some bread but I give it up for beer.

Good luck


10 posted on 04/30/2012 9:25:04 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: Randy Larsen

At least try a diet first. I lost 70 lbs just buying the frozen meals at the grocery store. I wished I had done this many years ago— Lean Cuisine pizzas, etc- Smart Ones- Lean Pockets.

I have a brother who had the bypass in the 80s- he still needs to lose a lot of weight and throws up if he eats too much. I had a nephew that went through it in the 90s and he died in the hospital from a blood clot, which was too common before using blood thinners prior to surgery.


11 posted on 04/30/2012 9:28:12 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Randy Larsen

It seems a bit extreme to me.


12 posted on 04/30/2012 9:29:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Randy Larsen

in regard to making yourself feel full....try metamucil...before meals....altho, I know that feeling full is a brain thing, too. Lots of fiber will help...and consider nuts....raw nuts are best....and they fill you up, and can satisfy the need for fat.


13 posted on 04/30/2012 9:31:45 PM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Mark

yikes

in other words, change your eating habits - surgery or not


14 posted on 04/30/2012 9:32:42 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Randy Larsen

Oh, and try to stay away from “refined” products

God, made us the perfect supermarket.


15 posted on 04/30/2012 9:34:47 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: Randy Larsen

RNY is a relative safe procedure, and very effective.
As far as eating your doctor will most likely tell you eat protein first then fruits/vegis, then carbs.
Is there risk of course, but it is not as risky as staying overweight.
It is just a tool not a miracle.
The actual risk is about 1%, however compared to being morbidly obese the risk is low.
I know people who have had banding and surgical reducing the stomach size, both over five years have lost he same weight but the banding takes longer.
One thing you will find is that most people giving you advice know nothing to little of the procedure except what they read, for some reason there is an anti surgery approach to weight loss.
This surgery has helped thousands of people live longer and healthier lives.
God’s speed.


16 posted on 04/30/2012 9:35:02 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Randy Larsen

I worked with two woman who had the surgery done. I would suspect it depends on if you’ve done everything else without success. ..and just how much weight you need to take off to better your health. Since you’re DR. recommended it it would seem this might be the case...your health is at risk.

Both woman did very well as they had a strong support system at home and work....and they were mentally prepared for the discipline which was required to remain with the program.

Also both had serious health issues prior had they not gone this direction and might not be here today. Both did loose the weight, but then had to deal with the great amount of excess skin. One had insurance which covered further surgery to remove it...the other did not.

I think also what helped them is they made it known in the workplace...so we were all encouraging and helping where we could.

I wish you the best in what ever you decide...and I’d certainly get two or three Dr.’s opinions before I’d agree to it...as well as all options.


17 posted on 04/30/2012 9:41:02 PM PDT by caww
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To: svcw
Thanks for your reply. It so happens that I am going to see a doctor about lap-band tomorrow morning. I have seen terrible things over the years with old fashion stapling, but the ban seems much safer and reversible.
18 posted on 04/30/2012 9:41:47 PM PDT by rightly_dividing
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To: Randy Larsen

Hi Randy,

My wife has gone through a similiar procedure called Vertical Sleve.

Where the Gastric Bypass will alter your anatomy (Intake and Outtake Digestive process physically) the Vertical Sleve will leave everything intact and in it’s anatomically correct positions and simply decreases the size of the stomach. There are therefore no malaborption issues nor food getting stuck as there is in the Gastric Bypass.

Before gettting this operation done, my wife did a lot of research on the different types of operations available.

Let me know if you need anymore information and I’ll see if she can help you.

on a side note, at the time, insurance would not cover the Vertical Sleve, that may have changed now as this was 5 years ago.

BTW, she has been very happy with the results and the surgery was not invasive as it was done laprascopically(cameras with small incisions).

Hope this helps.


19 posted on 04/30/2012 9:42:11 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: WestwardHo

Yes, I know a colleague who had the surgery and weighs very much the same as before.


20 posted on 04/30/2012 9:42:31 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: goodnesswins; Randy Larsen

One of the bad things with Sugars and Carbs is they make your blood sugar spike.

Then the feeling of satiety drops off quickly.
And The body stuffs the sugars away as fat.

Protiens are like slow release energy.
They make you feel full for a long time with no sugar spike
Veggies have little caloric content but have loads of flavor and do provide serious minerals and anti oxidants

Randy, I would ask a 2nd Dr for his opinion, but keep in mind, they make no money if you do it on your own.


21 posted on 04/30/2012 9:43:51 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: bboop

Me too.


22 posted on 04/30/2012 9:44:40 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: rightly_dividing

Check out on line the R N Y, it is relativly safe.
I have a daughter that had the R N Y no problems, a sister that had the band and major problems.
However, both have few problems.
Good luck and God’s speed - either one will save your life.


23 posted on 04/30/2012 9:44:40 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: SoConPubbie

Good information


24 posted on 04/30/2012 9:46:40 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: Randy Larsen
I know a coworker who had it. She lost a lot of weight, really quickly, but she said she was miserable. I think there are some procedures that can be done laparoscopically, which if successful have quicker recoveries.

Don't know what your other issues are, but a lot of big guys are hellacious snorers, too. My father was extremely overweight, had extremely bad but untreated apnea, and died of congestive heart failure at the ripe old age of 45. If you know you snore, then please have a sleep study done, as well. If you have untreated apnea it will be extremely hard to lose weight and keep the weight off. A sleep deprived body looks to food to make up the energy deficit and it becomes a vicious cycle of apnea, eating and weight.

If you have untreated apnea, you should talk to your doctor about treating that first, along with a weight loss regime. My father never got on a CPAP machine, but a couple of friends got on them and the change was remarkable and allowed them to lose weight.

25 posted on 04/30/2012 9:47:54 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Randy Larsen

I have some experience here. I had a daughter who considered it and THANK GOD she did not do it. We only found out later that she had stomach issues that might have cost her her life.

One of the major problems with stomach surgery of this sort is that it does not take care of the root of the problem and that is a behavioral eating issue. After the stomach is stapled, reduced or banded, many (if not a majority) eventually graze their way to obesity again.

I urge you to try everything you can before embarking on this. The doctors love to push this procedure and it is just one more elective procedure to them, but it is a painful and possibly life threatening event for the patient.

We had great success with Lindora for her. There are also support organizations like Compulsive Eaters Anonymous. Try doing things with out the knife. It is the harder, but easier way.


26 posted on 04/30/2012 10:01:35 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Randy Larsen
I see some people posting the no carb diet suggestions. I just lost 20 lb. on a paleo type diet with about 15 lb. to go. Since the doctor is recommending surgery I'm sure that seems like a drop in the bucket for you, but it didn't take much effort on my part and I dropped the weight over just a couple months.

I think the reason the diet worked for me was that I didn't have to count anything. I ate three meals plus two snacks a day and cut out a bunch of food that was hurting me. The biggest culprits were the sugar and the carbs. I am now eating more fresh food that I have ever eaten and feel great.

I would also echo what other people said about having a support system at home and work. Not having a family member or coworker shove cookies under your nose is pretty important.

27 posted on 04/30/2012 10:04:17 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Randy Larsen
Bad move. Even if you have the surgery you will still be a prisoner of diet and exercise for the rest of your life. So why not skip having your gut cut open and get into a program of healthy eating and regular exercise. You will feel better with more energy and have a healthier lifestyle. If you smoke stop now!

No matter what people tell you there is no easy path to losing weight and staying healthy.

28 posted on 04/30/2012 10:11:18 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: Randy Larsen
DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM)– Some North Texas researchers believe they have found a way to control obesity by manipulating molecules in the heart.

Researchers at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas have demonstrated, for the first time, that the heart can regulate energy balance.

“We discovered a protein that’s expressed in the heart, it’s a protein called MED 13, and it turns out that this protein regulates metabolism in the whole body,” explained Dr. Eric Olson, chairman of molecular biology at UT Southwestern.

Dr. Olson said researchers fed mice a high-fat diet, then ‘turned on’ the protein and were genuinely surprised.

“Of course we went back and said ‘wait a minute we better check this again’ and have done it many times,” Olson said, “It was really unexpected. We didn’t go into this looking for a way to treat obesity, it just was a serendipitous observation.”

Of the test Dr. Olson said researchers learned, “We can make them resistant to obesity,” but that wasn’t all, “We can also treat many of the other aspects of abnormal metabolism like the struggle to lower cholesterol and improve glucose handling in these animals.”

Researchers said despite their high-fat diet the mice stayed lean as long as the protein was ‘activated’. When the protein was removed the mice become obese.

Olson said they’re now using the protein to develop an obesity drug that might also be used to combat high cholesterol and Type 2 Diabetes. But researchers say that drug is still a long way from even being tested in humans.

If you can wait five years the the better option, may beBariatric Surgery and that removes almost the entire stomach.

Try Eisenhower Hospital Rancho Mirage CA, web site, bet you can get some pictures.

29 posted on 04/30/2012 10:33:10 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: mylife

There are two kinds of doctors. There are those who try to fix what’s wrong with you. Then there are “healers”. They think of themselves as “messiahs” and if you don’t get well it’s because of something you did or didn’t to.

My wife’s urologist told her that water is the worst thing you can drink. He was angry because he hadn’t “healed” her so he told her she was drinking too much water. He said he drinks lemonade all day. He didn’t mention how much sugar is in it.


30 posted on 04/30/2012 10:37:10 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: Terry Mross
My wife’s urologist told her that water is the worst thing you can drink.

That's not a Dr.

Thats a charlatan

31 posted on 04/30/2012 10:40:37 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: itsahoot

There is a reason for the term “corn fed”


32 posted on 04/30/2012 10:44:05 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: Randy Larsen
don't! it is nuts and so are the Dr's that propose and do it! Learn self control and dealing with stress at www.copingstrategiescd.com. Come on now, you really shouldn't even need to ask about that absolutely insane thing that doctors do that messes with god's system. You have to often take supplemetns just because your digestive system will not works completley if you do that!
33 posted on 04/30/2012 10:45:14 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Terry Mross

The electrolytes from the lemon are a good thing
The 12 cups of sugar are a bad thing


34 posted on 04/30/2012 10:48:58 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: Terry Mross

And you know what?

Iced water is one of the most refreshing things on the planet!


35 posted on 04/30/2012 10:50:20 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: Randy Larsen

Two negatives:

1). Some important parts of nutrient digestion will be gone to you forever. I don’t know exactly what, but you may never be nourished with real food nutrients again.

2) super fast weight loss, such as that from gastric bypass OR super fast extreme exercise and calorie deficiency like on the Biggest Loser, can release too many toxins from the fat too fast, and possibly force you to end your life with a neurodegenerative disease like Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, or Gehrig’s.

All gastric bypass does is “bypass” your changing your diet. Forget exercise, it’s not the way to go for weight loss, though your regularly moving is good, but you don’t need aerobics or heavy workouts. Have you tried giving up all starchy foods? Go paleo?

If you could give up sugars and fake sugars and grains, you can enjoy clean, healthy animal meats, fats, and vegetables to your heart’s content. You will lose weight slowly. It’s the sugars in everything that do you in.

Paleo starts with a BAB, a big ass breakfast. Make as many eggs in butter as you want. Make vegetable omelettes, or fried eggs, add cheese, enjoy. Have with it bacon, or steak, or whatever meat you like. Fill up. No juice, no fruit, no potatoes, no toast. Try it tomorrow. See how long you go that day without hunger. Then eat another meal of protein and veggies. If you crave some kind of sweet, eat only berries, sweet potatoes, or rarely white potatoes. Add fat to your potatoes.

I do think you should read up on Paleo — maybe some Robb Wolf — and try it before you go in for surgery.

Good .uck, hon. The SAD diet is making everyone too fat. We have t learn outside the box to counter it. Don’t worry about exercise. Just try and fill up on delicious healthy animal protein, fat, and veggies.


36 posted on 04/30/2012 11:00:12 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Randy Larsen

I have two friends who have had it done.

One for the shear weight problem and the other for a host of other health issues.

Seemed to work for them but I can’t imagine doing it. Your diet is severely curtailed and drinking? Not a good idea.

I would rather get on stairmaster and be done with it.


37 posted on 04/30/2012 11:01:53 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Randy Larsen

I have researched the various typs and have spoken with my internest about it. He told me any time I want to pull thr trigger.


38 posted on 04/30/2012 11:40:05 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Randy Larsen

Unless it’s a life-saving procedure, I would not risk the possibility of infections, especially MRSA. A friend of mine passed away last year, not from the Crohn’s disease but from infection from her port.


39 posted on 04/30/2012 11:48:23 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Randy Larsen
I tried to lose weight for many many years. I counted calories, tried diet plans. changes all my recipes, cut out most fat and sugars. The best I could do was not gain weight for extended periods, but then I would have a major stresser in my life, and shoot up.

I had my gastric bypass right after Thanksgiving.

I wasn't THAT fat, in fact when I went to my first informational meeting at the bariatric doc's office, I was the smallest person there. I wouldn't have qualified for the surgery based on my BMI alone. I WAS type II diabetic. The combination of weight and diabetes is what got my surgery approved by insurance.

I was actually looking at having a lap band, but when looking at statistics, decided that GB was the better choice for me.

The statistics say you are more likely to resolve your diabetes with GB than with lap band. If you suffer from GERD (and I really did) it will most likely be resolved with GB, while lap band could make it worse. Finally, lap band is a man made thing. It could fail, and require surgery to replace it. You have to go to the bariatric doc for the rest of your life with lap band. So they can add or remove water through a port right under the skin. It could rotate, or move and require additional surgery.

I didn't want to be tethered to my bariatric doc for the rest of my days.

So far I have lost 60 lbs. My diabetes is gone, and I no longer have GERD. This has taken some of the pressure off my spine. I have degenerative disk disease, and have had two diskectomies and a spinal fusion. Because of the lost weight, I am in less back pain. I will live healthier, and if God is willing, I'll live longer.

And looking better is an added bonus to all the health benefits.

As for the malabsorption thing. I pay close attention to nutrition. I religiously take my vitamins & minerals and be sure to get plenty of calcium and protein.

You can fail with this surgery. You can over eat and stretch out your stomach considerably. The lady I sat next to at that meeting was quite a bit larger than me. And I was a little shocked when she said she had GB 10 years earlier, and now wanted a lap band.

40 posted on 05/01/2012 3:00:33 AM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: WestwardHo

I work with a couple of ladies who have had the surgery over the last eight or nine years. They lost a lot of weight initially, but then gained a good bit of it back.


41 posted on 05/01/2012 3:30:52 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Randy Larsen

Randy, find a Doc that will work with you.
Consider the cost of surgery, etc.
I hate diets because I become obsessed with food, recipes, the next meal, etc., etc.
The cost of prepared meals you don’t have to fiddle with may be worth the cost.
Special diets are temporary fixes. At some point you’ll want to go back to stuff you like....
Eat normal. To prove the point a guy went on a Hostas Twinkies diet and simply counted calories. He lost weight.
Not a recommendation. Eat normal.
You’ve gotten a lot of good advice on this thread. I hope you do well.


42 posted on 05/01/2012 6:19:25 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

A few thoughts
If the reason for considering bypass is just weight, then diet is the way to go. If type 2 diabetes is the issue, then there is a further extreme dieting /supplement suggestion.

There was a report a few months ago that a highly restricted 650/750 cal/day diet with supplements to take care of nutritional needs can increase insulin sensitivity by week 2. you do it for 4-6 weeks and 80% of the patients returned to normal blood sugar levels.

Diet wise, stay away from the white, eat colorful foods closer to where and when they were grown. White, refined sugar, flour, potatoes, rice etc. they are all blood sugar spikers, and will cause you to feel hungrier sooner. Its all about the glycemic index.


43 posted on 05/01/2012 6:25:06 AM PDT by waynesa98
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To: Randy Larsen

“I’m not so sure I want to do this.”


Seems like you’ve already answered your own question. I can’t imagine undertaking such a major step unless I was 110% convinced that I was doing the right thing. Follow your heart and take the important step that “feels right”.

Certainly a committed trial of proper diet and judicious exercise seems indicated even if it incurs certain expenses and inconveniences.


44 posted on 05/01/2012 6:26:01 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Randy Larsen

I have a friend who had it done. Due to the surgery her body will not retain iron anymore, a serious problem. She is gaining the weight back. I would suggest that it be a last, last resort.


45 posted on 05/01/2012 7:33:02 AM PDT by HangingTuff
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To: Randy Larsen
Try the Amalyse diet. Amalyse is made from Yogurt, Honey and Soy so it is safe to use. You can use it a a meal replacement or in lieu of a snack. We mix smoothies from fruit and ice and add the Amalyse powder to it. The Amalyse can be found at GNC.

My sister had gastric sleeve but did not change her eating habits and she was beginning to gain her weight back. She substitutes the Amalyse for 2 meals per day and eats a regular 3rd meal (reduced size). She has not felt hungry and is maintaining her weight loss of 165 lbs.

46 posted on 05/01/2012 8:08:23 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: Randy Larsen
http://www.drmcdougall.com/ or http://engine2diet.com/

Both diets are simular

Try the mcdougall diet or engine2 diet. You can eat all you want [I know it sounds impossible right] as long as it is the approved foods. We have been on this diet for 3 years. It is a way of life that will change your life for ever. 150 lb weight loss and never be hungry, sign me up. It is a starched based diet with the science to back it up. Basically you avoid anything with a face or a mother, and no added oil. [added oil causes heart problems with no health benefits].

I know several people who got the by bypass, all with questionable results. A friend died years after getting it done with a constriction in his stomach that poisoned him. My uncle lost 70 lbs to be thin enough to do it [I did not quite understand this, if you can lose 70 lbs, why not skip the bypass and keep doing what is working] He had it for 16 months, and then removed it because of problems he was having. He has since gained all his weight. Another friend just kept overeating to the point it had to be removed.

The bypass will make you sick so it will be hard to eat. Why not try a diet that will let you eat all you want and still lose weight? I love to eat and could never make it on a restricted diet. All my health issues are now gone and I am normal weight, yet I eat more than all my family members combined :)

You have to do something different to get a different result. Being on this diet for 3 years we have tried to get others to try it, but people are so resistant to change. I would much rather change my eating than go under the knife.

47 posted on 05/01/2012 11:59:03 AM PDT by bigfootwave
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To: All

Thank You all for taking the time to reply!

I now have a mountain of info and will go through each and every one before making a decision.

Right now I’m leaning heavily toward the negative but my have enough info available to change my mind.

Any way, Thank You all for your valuable time and responses.

Randy Larsen


48 posted on 05/01/2012 4:51:39 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worst Rinos ever!)
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To: Randy Larsen

Most of the post on here are negative. I went to two doctors today that are not connected with gastric bypass or lapband and both told me that they thought lap band would be a good move for me. But I wouldn’t do the bypass staples at all myself from negative past experiance of friends.


49 posted on 05/01/2012 5:30:18 PM PDT by rightly_dividing
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