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Weekly Gardening Thread Vol. 18, May 4, 2012
Friday, May 4, 2012 | JustaDumbBlonde

Posted on 05/04/2012 7:31:41 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde

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Good morning FRiends and fellow gardeners! I really enjoyed all of you that participated in last week's thread. I've been so busy that I didn't have time to respond to each and every comment, but I think about what y'all write and the photos that you post while I'm out working on my own projects. You truly inspire me!

Looking forward to reading your updates this week. We welcomed 2 new members to the ping list last week, bringing us to 525 members. That is fantastic, and we are on track to add 100 members this year.

In my own little patch of earth, I've worked on many projects this past week and I did take plenty of photos along the way. If I get a chance I'll share some later on this evening, but if I don't, I'll post them all as next week's thread. My mind is reeling going from one thing to another and it would be easier to tell you what doesn't hurt on my body. It is all very rewarding though, as I'm sure y'all understand.

Happy gardening!

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The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!


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To: ApplegateRanch
Thanks so much for the info on pastrami and corned beef! We love corned beef and, if it turns out so much better than store bought, I'm gonna have to try it.

The onions have been placed in the raised bed and look good. I had planted them through a slit in landscape fabric, but today it hit me that they are going to try to multiply, so I might have to open up more than a slit. Live and learn. I'll try to get a photo of the bed posted soon.

Love apricots ... I am jealous!

Need to get with you on that turkey problem. DH and I could probably help next Spring! Still looking around for a small disk. Don't give up on me.

101 posted on 05/04/2012 6:51:35 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: PA Engineer

Could be. I thought it was a chicken snake. The only thing I was sure about is that it wasn’t venomous. Ran into the venomous one on the other side of the property, a nice little copperhead. The past couple of days have been kinda snakey.


102 posted on 05/04/2012 7:03:28 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: momtothree
In addition to smelling so wonderful, did you know that lilacs are edible?

Lilac (Syringa vulgaris) - The flavor of lilacs varies from plant to plant. Very fragramt, slightly bitter. Has a distinct lemony taste with floral, pungent overtones. Great in salads and crystallized with egg whites and sugar.

103 posted on 05/04/2012 7:46:30 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Need to get with you on that turkey problem. DH and I could probably help next Spring!


Sounds great! Shotguns, or archery?


104 posted on 05/04/2012 7:47:08 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Never hunted turkey with a bow ... I might starve! Like to gun hunt, but if we need to do otherwise, we will. You’re the boss.


105 posted on 05/04/2012 7:53:45 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: PA Engineer
Hubs tells me that a rat snake and a chicken snake are the same creature, so we were both right! lol

My main identification concern is usually whether or not it's going to hurt me. Some of y'all may remember when I got bitten by a brown water snake in my greens patch summer before last. When I saw the pattern without seeing the head, I just knew I was going to die.

106 posted on 05/04/2012 8:02:29 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: fanfan; samiam1972; Drill Thrawl
The best part about starting from seed, is that if you want 6 plants, it doesn't cost much to start 18 seeds, and then only plant the strongest survivors.

I use (mostly) newspaper pots; 3 seeds to the pot. When up & starting to form true leaves, pick the weakest & snip--DON'T pull!--at soil level.

A few days later, repeat, keeping the strongest & ending up with 6 pots with one good seedling each.

Saves on space and pots, though if using peat pellets or such, there isn't enough room to space the seeds far enough away from each other.

107 posted on 05/04/2012 8:16:26 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Either/or; doesn’t matter to me. I have hardly ever drawn a bow since a 1960s college P.E. class, so I use the double-12 my dad bought around 1940.

Guys that visited this year from Minnesota used bows, until they were down to the wire and still had unfilled tags. Out came the 12s, and problem solved.


108 posted on 05/04/2012 8:31:12 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I am going to have to cancel that trip to visit you.. FOR SEVERAL YEARS!!!!!


109 posted on 05/04/2012 8:37:36 PM PDT by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: Sarajevo
To continue the "snake thread" :-) ..... here's a "bad boy" one of the crews came across on a trail maintenance work trip two weeks ago ... Mr. Timber Rattler. He was allowing pics, but not giving out autographs!


110 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:46 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: tubebender

I’m not wanting to hear that the trip is cancelled! Happy upcoming birthday to one of my favorite FRiends! And many more!


111 posted on 05/04/2012 8:51:27 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: MissMagnolia

Timber rattlers are pretty snakes ... from a distance.


112 posted on 05/04/2012 8:52:46 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I don’t know if it is thrift or what, but I plant 1 seed per pot. Fortunately, it has always worked and I get good, strong, plants. Sheer luck I suppose.


113 posted on 05/04/2012 8:55:10 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Well, with 3,000 acres, you have room to put one seed per pot. LOL


114 posted on 05/04/2012 9:00:43 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Hubs tells me that a rat snake and a chicken snake are the same creature, so we were both right! lol

Rat snakes come in many colors, shapes and sizes. Usually they are beneficial. Usually. ;-)
115 posted on 05/04/2012 9:04:08 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: fanfan; samiam1972
Plants need to rest too.

In one of the books I reccomended (Dick Raymond's book) He talks about how plants are like people. They all need food, water and sleep. Some like hot, some cold. Some dry, some wet. Some crouded, some solitary. And like people you have to figure them out and the best well to get along with them.

116 posted on 05/04/2012 9:06:51 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
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To: fanfan; Drill Thrawl; Ellendra

Thank you all for the tips. I’m going to keep trying on the seedlings. I’m hoping to direct sow more seeds this weekend. If those survive I may never start them indoors again! :0)


117 posted on 05/04/2012 9:15:56 PM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

One more snake photo and I’m outta here. You see, I had these two older brothers and they.....


118 posted on 05/04/2012 9:19:11 PM PDT by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Yes, lol!


119 posted on 05/04/2012 9:23:48 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: momtothree; WestwardHo

Martha Stewart is late to the party. I used to make Christmas trees out of tumbleweeds when I was in Jr. High. (And I hate to tell you how long ago that was.) I’d find 3 in graduated sizes, get my father to spray paint them white, pile them up and decorate them with cotton balls and home made, paper decorations. Free Christmas tree, instantly. My Home Room thought that was so neat that they took up a collection the following year to buy a “real” tree at a tree lot. LOL


120 posted on 05/04/2012 9:23:58 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: tubebender

Okay! Don’t want to run you off.


121 posted on 05/04/2012 9:26:52 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I like it! It is creative and unique.... a Western theme Christmas tree. Although I have only seen tumble weeds in movies... One day, I am going to go out West. Where? No idea but I always wanted to see those red rocks. (as non PC as it sounds but the rocks you use to see in the old cowboy and Indian movies). Your home room had no sense of homemade “style”.


122 posted on 05/04/2012 9:39:29 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree; Ellendra; MissMagnolia; Diana in Wisconsin

Did you all know that Diana’s nursery (Jung’s) sells re-blooming lilacs? IOW, they boom more than once each year.

I was thinking of getting some for a spot I’d like to fill, but (AGAIN) it is not ready for planting and no one to help. Husband is too busy, and my knee won’t let me spade.

I’d also like to have some specimens of “Miss Kim”, a drawf lilac that gets only 4-6 ft. tall.


123 posted on 05/04/2012 9:43:18 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

http://www.bonap.org/2008_Soil/SoilTypesRelatedMaps.html

Soil maps etc.

Thought this may be of general assistance to the thread.


124 posted on 05/05/2012 12:33:25 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

http://www.bonap.org/2008_Soil/SoilTypesRelatedMaps.html

Soil maps etc.

Thought this may be of general assistance to the thread.


125 posted on 05/05/2012 12:34:31 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I figgered you would know


126 posted on 05/05/2012 4:23:46 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: ApplegateRanch

So how long will you brine the pastrami? I have never done it but I read 7-14 days will do it. I have also read less than 7 days. Much depends on how much spices and salt are in the brine I suppose.


127 posted on 05/05/2012 4:52:22 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Christmas trees out of tumbleweeds when I was in Jr. High.

As a child a read about a desert Christmas similar to your story.
Thinking on those simpler times almost makes me weep for what we have lost.
I may have to give that tumble weed tree, and the cotton balls a try!


128 posted on 05/05/2012 5:50:19 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Diana in Wisconsin

Just a suggestion but are there any middle school or high school kids near you? I guarantee there are some young un’s that would like a bit of prom money (movie money, gas money, etc) and their youth make digging a simple chore. If you don’t know any personally, contact a local church and speak to the youth director. He or she can present this “job” to their pre-teens and teens. Simply explain that your knees hurt and your husband can’t do it.

I am totally considering a reblooming Lilac. Of course, with my luck... it won’t bloom twice. LOL! I couldn’t say a thing to Diana because she is known to sick her rooster on people!


129 posted on 05/05/2012 6:32:19 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: afraidfortherepublic

We made a Christmas Tree out of wild Teasel (thistle) seed cones and chicken wire. I’ll bet those weeds are still coming up in the yard and it’s been almost 40s.


130 posted on 05/05/2012 7:44:24 AM PDT by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: WestwardHo

LOL!

Or, you can make a “snow man” out of tumbleweed. We did that too. Great use of the imagination for kids who never, ever saw real snow (Central California where tumbleweeds were plentiful and the snow never fell.)

A tumblewood tree could be very pretty these days with modern decorative paint that has sparkles in it and tiny lights, which were unknown in 1951. Martha Stewart was probably still in diapers when we did such things.

Youo know nowdays the teachers complain that they have to sped their own money to make decorations for the classroom. In my day they used to ask for volunteers from the class, and we’d bring the decorations from home and were glad to do it. Teacher didn’t spend any money, or time, thinking of how to decorate the classroom.


131 posted on 05/05/2012 9:03:28 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

A tumblewood tree could be very pretty these days with modern decorative paint that has sparkles in it and tiny lights, which were unknown in 1951. Martha Stewart was probably still in diapers when we did such things.

This could be really BIG!!! We could set up a website, build a catalogue, market our ideas to the rich greenies in Hollywood, Taos, New York...we’ll be greedy, but we’ll be rich beyond our wildest dreams!!!
Martha Stewart is sooo yesterday!!!!
LOL!!!
We have a “neighbor”, fortunately not in view of our place, who has decorated her wire fence and a dying cedar with a huge stash of wine bottles.
Another dear soul has built elegant towers on either side of their drive with old tires... Again, fortunately, they live several miles away.
I feel sure they are potential customers!!!
OK, I’m going to go move my water hose now.
Happy Saturday!!


132 posted on 05/05/2012 9:33:49 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: WestwardHo; momtothree; tubebender

Tubebender knows all about those tumbleweeds, I’m sure, because we grew up in the same part of the country. The fields where my father and I gathered those tumbleweeds are now subdivisions and strip malls.

Another classroom decoration I remember are the yarn “globes” that we hung from the ceiling. We took donated yarn, dpped it in flour and water paste and wrapped it around balloons in a random pattern. We allowed the yarn to dry overnight and then popped the balloons. We had these hollow spheres of yarn left which we hung from the ceiling of the classroom as a Christmas decoration one year.

For some reason my Jr. High celebrated “Spring Day” which was a day that all of the girls wore their prettiest pastel dresses to school. I remember making chicken wire wall baskets (triangles of checken wire pinned on the bulletin boards that were above the blackboards around the room with thumbtacks.) The holes in the chicken wire were stuffed with crepe paper, and we filled the “baskets” with flowering spring branches that everybody brought to school the mornng of Spring Day.

Again, no money spent by the teacher, everything donated by the kids and their parents, and no time, or effort, put out by the teacher. We loved to do it. We held a meeting, chose a oommittee, discussed the project, and did the job.

Of course in those days, the teacher wouldn’t have had the time, or the budget, to take on these projects. In those days the teachers taught a full day of classes (no free periods — planning was done at home) and had lunchroom duty and recess duty, as well. No aides. No teacher work days, except before school started in the fall, or during Christmas and Easter vacations.

As I said, Martha Stewart was still in diapers!


133 posted on 05/05/2012 9:35:06 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: dennisw

I’m planning on about 10 days, give or take.

Also, I’m going to use my Big Chief smoker, rather than the BBQ smoker, with a mix of apple & hickory; maybe a wee bit of cherry.


134 posted on 05/05/2012 9:45:57 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch
That looks like the guy (bull sssnake) that I caught & releasssed in the garden about 3 times last year, before it got the messssssage. We have that happen about once a year. The snake is non-poisonous and doesn't bother the chickens, but it steals eggs. I just grab them and take them to a neighboring property for releasssse.
135 posted on 05/05/2012 9:59:20 AM PDT by Sarajevo (http://rulesoftheinternet.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Hydroponics for the Home Gardener-downloadable
136 posted on 05/05/2012 10:09:32 AM PDT by Sarajevo (http://rulesoftheinternet.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)
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To: WestwardHo

Hi there, just read your post about not pruning your lilacs....could this be the problem with my Wisteria? I prune it back hard each year following local gardeners but this ‘teenager’ just will not bloom. It bloomed the first year then I had to move the plant to a new location, more sun but same area...do you suppose that stopped the blooming? Have ‘whacked’ the trunk with an ax but that popular notion did not work either. Any and all advice will be appreciated.


137 posted on 05/05/2012 10:39:18 AM PDT by yoe
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To: ApplegateRanch

http://www.amazingribs.com/recipes/beef/close_to_katzs_home_made_pastrami.html

This guy seems to know what he is talking about. I have eaten a lot of pastrami in my life but I never thought of it as a smoked product. I have never tasted the smoke in any pastrami..... but that could be my fault. I taste a lot of things in it like garlic, coriander and black pepper but not smoke

The smoking process in these pastrami recipes is actually a cooking and low-temp roasting process that could be done in an oven if you wanted. The most important part is the brining in salt and spices and the rub that is put on before “baking” “Roasting” or “smoking” it. Now maybe you can great new spin on it with the woods you smoke it with..... But my opinion this is all secondary to proper brining, proper rub, then proper low-temp for a few hours roasting.

And all that bs about steaming for 3-4 hours after the smoking? No way does that compute. One hour should do. Even 30 minutes but maybe the meat will still be a bit tough


138 posted on 05/05/2012 11:06:59 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Sarajevo

sent you a private message


139 posted on 05/05/2012 11:10:19 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: yoe
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140 posted on 05/05/2012 11:20:46 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: momtothree

Ya know, that was the first thing I thought of. Shudder!


141 posted on 05/05/2012 11:29:38 AM PDT by bgill
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To: ApplegateRanch

Thank you for the recipe. We’ll try it soon. I love both cornbeef and pastrami.


142 posted on 05/05/2012 11:33:45 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Ok, that does it. Y’all are determined to give me nightmares!!! Now I’m not even wanting to put my feet on the floor under the computer. I was extra careful this morning out pulling weeds in the garden. I scouted it out before I even went inside the fence and thankful the grass had just been cut. I’m a barefooter but actually wore flip flops out onto the porch which even that far in shoes goes to show how nervous I am.


143 posted on 05/05/2012 11:34:28 AM PDT by bgill
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To: ApplegateRanch

If pastrami turns out good please PM me and let me know that way or if you post it on the weekly gardening thread. It’s a real test of skills, in my book at least. With these pickled (brined) products. What really goes great with it is pickled green tomatoes and Dr Brown’s Cel-Ray soda. Two Jewish items you will find at good Jewish delicatessens. When you hit the big city you can try and find the Cel-Ray


144 posted on 05/05/2012 11:35:02 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: ApplegateRanch

Pattypan squash! Have not eaten one in years. They have such a great look


145 posted on 05/05/2012 11:37:25 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: ApplegateRanch

Thanks for the animal repellent. Last summer a racoon was in our little garden so we put out a live trap. We got him. As hubby and friend were about to remove the trap, the racoon reached out and got itself a squash, he ate it as he was being put in the truck to be placed elsewhere.


146 posted on 05/05/2012 11:41:55 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: ApplegateRanch

Free roaming chickens and guinnies.


147 posted on 05/05/2012 11:43:29 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: bgill

I was told by a friend from Louisiana to put anything with sharp points around my patio enterence. Snakes don’t like to slide over sharp things. I have hubby and he takes care of any snakes. Where I come from we don’t have snakes, and the first ones I ever saw were in FL. ICK!


148 posted on 05/05/2012 11:50:01 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: momtothree

Speaking of tumbleweed. We were stationed in FL and one Christmas a friend of ours brought back tumbleweed for what reason, who knows? My neighbor and I stuck them together, then sprayed the bushes with glue, made an 8 foot tree and stuck lights inside (that was the hard part) and placed it on a bed or sword palm leaves. It looked pretty good day and night.


149 posted on 05/05/2012 12:06:30 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

YUCK!


150 posted on 05/05/2012 12:08:44 PM PDT by tillacum
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