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EXCLUSIVE: Apple Has Destroyed 490,000 American Jobs
Business Insider ^ | May 1, 2012, 12:02 PM | Eric Platt and Ben Duronio

Posted on 05/04/2012 4:57:06 PM PDT by Swordmaker

After taking heat for shipping jobs to China and contracting to employers with questionable labor conditions, Apple (rather publicly) took credit for creating more than half a million jobs in the U.S.

514,000 to be exact. 

That figure included nearly 50,000 employees in its retail network and its corporate headquarters, where products are designed.

But it also included FedEx and UPS employees who deliver its products and employees at Corning who make glass for iPads and iPhones.

So Apple basically counts anyone vaguely associated with the company or its products as a job that Apple created.

But what about the competitors Apple has bumped off in its relentless move to the top? 

What about the once-profitable markets, products, and companies it has destroyed? What happened to those jobs?

Business Insider analyzed data on Bloomberg, went through dozens of 10-Ks, and read through layoff announcements to see how Apple's peers have done.

What we found:

Apple has destroyed nearly as many jobs as it helped create, eliminating some 490,570 positions.

Click here to see the jobs that Apple has destroyed

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: china; corning; fedex; ups
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THE LIST OF JOBS APPLE HAS DESTROYED:

Circuit City layoffs: 42,974
Federal Government layoffs: 42,105
Kodak layoffs: 28,000
Hewlett Packard layoffs
Motorola layoffs: 16,474
Borders layoffs: 16,600
Sprint layoffs: 14,600
IBM layoffs: 12,500
Musical group layoffs: 12,500
Ericsson layoffs: 10,690
US Postal Service layoffs: 10,615
Barnes & Noble layoffs: 9,000
Blockbuster layoffs: 7,200
CompUSA layoffs: 6,300
Sony layoffs: 6,000
RadioShack layoffs: 6,000
Microsoft layoffs: 5,727
Yahoo! layoffs: 5,780
Xerox layoffs: 5,400
AMD layoffs: 4,460
BestBuy layoffs: 3,400
Tower Records layoffs: 3,000
Trans World Entertainment (Sam Goody, FYE) layoffs: 2,900
Gateway (Acer) layoffs: 2,500
EMI layoffs: 2,000
Lenovo layoffs: 2,000
Adobe layoffs: 1,950
T-Mobile layoffs: 1,900
EMC layoffs: 1,476
Palm layoffs: 1,247
Virgin Megastores layoffs: 1,060
Dell layoffs: 905
AOL layoffs: 800
Cisco layoffs: 500
Warner Music Group layoffs: 300
Hasbro layoffs:  200
IAC (Ask.com) layoffs: 170
Universal Music Group layoffs: 110

1 posted on 05/04/2012 4:57:11 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker

And don’t even get me started on Eli Whitney!


2 posted on 05/04/2012 5:02:17 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Swordmaker

Corporate “America” is more about stealing American sovereignty and wealth for the few than enhancing it for the many. When it comes to the multi-national corps I look at them as traitors and thieves who will enrich their top dogs first and screw America second. It has been a 40 year pattern and I care not to hear the reasons. The only reason is greed not country.

I have lost all respect for the so called corporate America because it does not represent either the owner/shareholders or the USA. It represents CEOs and greed.


3 posted on 05/04/2012 5:05:07 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: 21twelve

... and how Apple massacred the suckers who bought a Microsoft Zune, a Kindle Fire, or a Windows phone.


4 posted on 05/04/2012 5:06:05 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; altair; ...
 To hear these guys, Apple is responsible for ALL the jobs lost in the consumer electronics, shipping, music industry, and Federal Government combined in the last five years! —PING!


Apple is EVIL Ping!

Please, No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!
Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

5 posted on 05/04/2012 5:06:14 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker
The whole creative destruction process. Hard to have a recovery, ever; when production is offshored. That is for all categories of industry.

Nor can the US economy compete against said wage arbitrage.

6 posted on 05/04/2012 5:08:45 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Swordmaker
BestBuy layoffs: 3,400

GOOD.

This time next year, they'll all be laid off.

7 posted on 05/04/2012 5:09:19 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: 21twelve

EPIC MEGA BURN!!!!!

LOL!

Good one!


8 posted on 05/04/2012 5:09:27 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Swordmaker
I can just see the ows crowd tweeting away on their iphones;)
9 posted on 05/04/2012 5:10:15 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: apoliticalone

There is no “Corporate America”, only “Corporate Global”


10 posted on 05/04/2012 5:11:06 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Swordmaker

lol.

Competition is so evil. Is that the point?

How about blaming high taxes and over regulation?


11 posted on 05/04/2012 5:13:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Swordmaker

And how many jobs has the guy who invented the ATM cost?


12 posted on 05/04/2012 5:13:29 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Swordmaker
Bad Apple!


13 posted on 05/04/2012 5:13:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Theoria

The US has the highest corporate tax rates on EARTH. We also have over-regulated businesses.

If you blame corporations for the actions of government, you are deluded.


14 posted on 05/04/2012 5:15:05 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Swordmaker
But what about the competitors Apple has bumped off in its relentless move to the top?

Sigh. We live in a time when any nosepicker can blurt out a brain fart and its held up as critical thinking. It's the attack of the energy wasters.

Well you know what? I don't see anyone picketing over the number of sandwiches Apple employees ate in the last twenty years that could have fed the hungry in Africa, either. I mean think about it - these are some of the welathiest, most coddled employees on the planet. And they couldn't spare a their measly sandwiches to save the lives of women and children in poverty with darker skin than they have who are completely cut off from anyone paying for their birth control?

Corporate pigs.

15 posted on 05/04/2012 5:16:08 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

The new Nokia Lumia 900 (Windows) competes quite well with the iPhone.


16 posted on 05/04/2012 5:16:12 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: kabar

Save the Buggy Whip Industry!!!

Henry Ford destroyed the economy!!


17 posted on 05/04/2012 5:16:26 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Competition is fine but jobs need to be kept here if possible, right?


18 posted on 05/04/2012 5:17:25 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: The KG9 Kid
My Wife LOVES her Kindle Fire, as her two Sisters LOVE their Kindle Fires.

I think you meant to say the Barnes & Noble Nook. LOL

19 posted on 05/04/2012 5:18:50 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: GeronL
I didn't blame anyone. Just the obvious observation.

No matter if we cut all those taxes and regulations, it still comes down to wages.

However, the US has high standards of copyright protections and other factors that compensates for such inefficiency's.

20 posted on 05/04/2012 5:19:02 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: fabian

Then lower the taxes and reduce the regulations that have made the US a stupid place to invest. This article is just missing the point, much less being written by an insane person.


21 posted on 05/04/2012 5:19:23 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Theoria

US workers are also highly productive, so much so that without government interference and union crap we could easily be making things here instead of China at much higher wages than third world countries.


22 posted on 05/04/2012 5:21:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Swordmaker
From an article in today's WSJ on Apple's biggest competitor Samsung:

Hiring foreign engineers is a sensitive topic in South Korea, where the big conglomerates are expected to provide jobs for the country's workers. While unemployment is currently just 3%, the jobless rate for recent college graduates is about 8%.

23 posted on 05/04/2012 5:22:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: GeronL

Yes..agreed! There should actually be zero corp taxes and then we will see jobs flourish once again. Not to mention no income tax! Our founders would NEVER have stood for a tax on paychecks! And these regulators can go jump in a lake now!


24 posted on 05/04/2012 5:25:01 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: GeronL
Henry Ford built his cars in America. An off shored manufacturing job has a 93% chance of having been previously a non-union job. Greed pure and simple. Labor is at most 10% of the retail cost of the average manufactured good. Factor in shipping and all this is about a few pennies on the dollar. Tariffs and also eliminate corp taxes would be the answer.
25 posted on 05/04/2012 5:25:35 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: GeronL
Yes, we are productive, thats why we need less of us.


26 posted on 05/04/2012 5:26:38 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: apoliticalone
Corporate “America” is more about stealing American sovereignty and wealth for the few than enhancing it for the many.

That has a nice Marxist ring to it.

I am not accusing you of being a Marxist, but your statement shows just how deeply it has permeated our culture. Corporations have no obligation to "the many" other than to offer them goods and services that they want at a price they're willing to pay.

If they're not doing enough of it to suit you, look to your government as the cause -- not the American citizens who are trying to make the best living they can.

27 posted on 05/04/2012 5:28:33 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: fabian

Operative word is: Possible. Right?

Given the miriad of tax, environmental and every other kind of crap American businesses, large businesses, trying to compete in a global marketplace have to deal with, can you blame them?

Hell, Apple wants to repatriate tens of BILLIONS of dollars back to the US. Gubments response: Pay up suckers.

So they keep their money off shore. Sounds to me like they’d like to put some of those dollars to work here, but Zero said no. So what does Apple do? Open a plant in Brazil.


28 posted on 05/04/2012 5:29:03 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: GeronL
I heard that Henry Ford also destroyed the entire Horse Poop Picker Upper Union, which in turn devastated the Work Boot Cleaners Membership and the Boot Polish Manufacturers Association.
29 posted on 05/04/2012 5:31:45 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: BfloGuy

So in 1943 if the Reich Air Ministry (RLM) had offered Boeing a better price for its B-29’s they would have had every right to export them to Germany for the Luftwaffe to use?


30 posted on 05/04/2012 5:35:31 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Swordmaker
Federal Government layoffs: 42,105

Somebody at Business Insider is gonna have to do a really convincing explanation to make me believe this one...

31 posted on 05/04/2012 5:37:50 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: AFreeBird
Yes, these regulations and liberal policies need to go to hell quick and we need to take up arms if necessary to regain our nation. How dare they strip us of much needed employment through their do gooder policies! It is King George all over again!
32 posted on 05/04/2012 5:39:59 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Swordmaker

Dumb article.


33 posted on 05/04/2012 5:41:34 PM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Swordmaker

Counting the government and postal service layoffs... Apple saves the taxpayers about 4 billion a year.

#winning


34 posted on 05/04/2012 5:52:34 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Swordmaker

You forgot the buggy whip industry.


35 posted on 05/04/2012 5:54:55 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: GeronL

Ya beat me.


36 posted on 05/04/2012 5:58:06 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Swordmaker

I so love how they feed on their own. The Rats are like a roving band of mad dogs, snarling and fighting, the pack turning on one of its own at any moment.


37 posted on 05/04/2012 6:16:47 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Swordmaker

Typical b.i.-blog crap. I don’t know why FReepers ever cite to this fish-wrap.


38 posted on 05/04/2012 6:19:38 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Swordmaker

Stupid article by an Apple-hating “reporter”. There is some truth to Apple’s claim of creating many secondary jobs. Think of the support staff for Apple products in schools. Then there’s Starbucks - lots of barristas employed because of all the Apple owners flocking there for the wi-fi access and caffiene. My older daughter used to be a barrista and superviser at a Starbucks, she made huge tips from the customers with Apple laptops. She then worked at a publishing firm, all Apples there. Now at a biotech firm, lots of Apples and iPhones - many jobs indirectly created by Apple.


39 posted on 05/04/2012 6:20:49 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: roadcat
My older daughter used to be a barrista and superviser at a Starbucks, she made huge tips from the customers with Apple laptops.

I think you're stretching, don't you? Did they drive Honda sedans? Maybe Honda is a secondary creator of those jobs?

40 posted on 05/04/2012 6:23:40 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Swordmaker

You forgot Timex.


41 posted on 05/04/2012 6:34:18 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Swordmaker

I received my new iPhone 4s just 3 days ago, so I guess I should start feeling ‘iPhone guilt’ right along with my White guilt and my financially solvent guilt and, and, and.......


42 posted on 05/04/2012 6:50:12 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Call it what you will, there are lots of Apple-logo’d devices in any Starbucks. She would tell me some customers would come in 3 or 4 times a day, and would always tip well. And this was at several different stores in different towns that she worked at on the SF peninsula. Many Apple devices with 3G or 4G cellular get free wi-fi access at Starbucks. So I don’t think it is a stretch to say the customers are there because they have an Apple device; they certainly don’t go there just because they might have a Honda.


43 posted on 05/04/2012 6:58:02 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: kabar
And how many jobs has the guy who invented the ATM cost?

Don't forget Henry Ford. Lot of horses found themselves out of work.
44 posted on 05/04/2012 7:18:01 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Swordmaker

Circuit City: What killed CC was getting rid of anyone helpful and replacing them with know-nothing minimum wage people. Then, might as well go to Wal-Mart. It is the high level of customer support that helps Apple stores thrive.

Federal Government: ???

Kodak: Digital camera killed Kodak before the iPhone

Hewlett Packard: I’m sure they were hurt by their drive for marketshare by selling mainly in the low-end where there is little profit. And IIRC they’re still number one in volume.

Motorola: Too bad, so sad, Moto couldn’t deliver on providing Apple fast chips for their computers, or compete on the phone front.

Borders: Apple just got into the book selling business, so no way (or we could count all those Apple-oriented books sold)

Sprint: Sprint passed on the iPhone, their fault.

IBM layoffs: IBM also couldn’t provide fast enough chips for Apple.

Musical group layoffs: iTunes still funnels lots of money back through to the labels. Without iTunes, they’d probably be leaking money even more. However, by making wide distribution available to anyone, Apple is helping to undermine the cartel the labels have had running for the last several decades. This is a good thing.

Ericsson layoffs: Too bad, inferior products.

US Postal Service layoffs: That’s email, not Apple’s fault. And don’t forget all those Apple products bought over the mail.

Barnes & Noble layoffs: Same as Borders, although BN got the right idea later and has started competing in this century.

Blockbuster layoffs: Netflix started this, and then there was Red Box. Apple’s digital video sales and rentals have been nowhere near enough to have caused this.

CompUSA layoffs: See Circuit City.

Sony layoffs: Which department?

RadioShack layoffs: Radio Shack killed itself by becoming just another electronics store.

Microsoft layoffs: Their own fault, definitely. Lack of vision (Zune) and lack of ability (Vista) have given Microsoft a serious hit. On the plus side, the 360 is doing very well despite the billion dollar charge-off to be first with that generation of game system.

Yahoo! layoffs: No relation to Apple

Xerox layoffs: No relation in recent times, only back when Apple was an underdog. Xerox did try to sell their own tech, but priced it too high and failed.

AMD layoffs: AMD could have landed Apple’s switch to Intel, but they couldn’t produce. Apple actually had test Macs running AMD in case they went that way.

BestBuy layoffs: Uh, Best Buy is selling Apple products.

Tower Records layoffs: Okay, Apple did do that.

Trans World Entertainment (Sam Goody, FYE) layoffs: Same as CC

Gateway (Acer) layoffs: Same as HP

EMI layoffs: Same as other labels

Lenovo layoffs: Same as HP

Adobe layoffs: It’s their own fault their products have been sucking lately, and that they bought the toxic Macromedia to get an outdated 90s technology in Flash, another outdated technology in Cold Fusion, and a duplicate product in Freehand. And, don’t forget, Adobe practically owes its existence to a tight relationship with Apple.

T-Mobile layoffs: See Sprint

EMC layoffs: Same as other labels

Palm layoffs: Guilty

Virgin Megastores layoffs: Guilty

Dell layoffs: Same as other OEMs, although Dell didn’t help themselves by fudging profit numbers

AOL layoffs: No relation to Apple, another 90s business model overtaken by events, the company incapable of keeping up

Cisco layoffs: ??? More computers and networked handhelds, more demand for networking products.

Warner Music Group layoffs: Same as the other labels

Hasbro layoffs: ???

IAC (Ask.com) layoffs: No relation

Universal Music Group layoffs: Same as the other labels

However, I am sure Apple has killed quite a few jobs centered around fixing the problems in Windows.


45 posted on 05/04/2012 7:26:39 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Larry Lucido
Typical b.i.-blog crap. I don’t know why FReepers ever cite to this fish-wrap.

I was kinda thinking it was satire... But then I realized they were dead serious!

46 posted on 05/04/2012 7:27:54 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

Total Bullshit!

Apple is responsible to its shareholders and did a damned fine job for them. It is not Apple’s fault that these companies could not compete.


47 posted on 05/04/2012 7:29:09 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: reg45
The new Nokia Lumia 900 (Windows) competes quite well with the iPhone.

That's the one they're giving away because it's so screwed up, right?

48 posted on 05/04/2012 7:29:26 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Theoria
No matter if we cut all those taxes and regulations, it still comes down to wages.

The problem is those regulations can have as big of an impact, if not bigger. It's damn hard to start a factory here in the US these days. The amount of government bureaucracy is ridiculous. Even just building an office building can be ridiculous.
49 posted on 05/04/2012 7:29:26 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Swordmaker
But what about the competitors Apple has bumped off in its relentless move to the top?

What about the once-profitable markets, products, and companies it has destroyed? What happened to those jobs?


This is just shoddy sensationalism on the part of Business Insider. It's not like Apple dominated the cell phone or PC or tablet market for the past 15 years. A lot of these companies had a decade's head start on Apple, had huge customer bases, and they grew comfortable with their place in the world and took their customers for granted, and in the business world, when you grow too comfortable and take your customers for granted, you lose.

I still don't understand why some of the people at the tops of these companies still have their jobs. How does Steve Ballmer keep his job in the face of how much Microsoft has lost in the mobile and phone markets, not to mention Microsoft's stock price?

BI would have had a better article if they talked about how the stockholders failed to hold a lot more people accountable than they should have.
50 posted on 05/04/2012 7:34:45 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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