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The Stall Has Arrived (Even leftists are admitting it)
RobertReich.org ^ | 5/4/2012 | Robert Reich

Posted on 05/05/2012 11:14:10 AM PDT by Signalman

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To: Signalman
To the contrary, government at all levels continues to contract, acting as a fiscal drag when government needs to be doing the exact reverse – boosting the economy through additional spending. In 2013, when spending major cuts are scheduled, we’ll fall off a fiscal cliff.

Double down on that insanity, Robert. You Marxists can drive us over the cliff even before Labor Day if you just push a little more.

If I was an organ grinder my monkey would look like Robert Reich.

21 posted on 05/05/2012 11:58:32 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: duckman

Terms not seen in the media since Jan 09:

McJobs

homeless problem

recovery for Wall $treet but not Main Street


22 posted on 05/05/2012 12:03:40 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Snickering Hound
Oh, I get it. Massive govt spending hasn't rejuvenated the economy, so, to fix it, we need even more govt spending. Gotcha, Robbie.

Reich is the only person I know who could walk into a curb and sustain a head injury.


23 posted on 05/05/2012 12:11:21 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (2012 isn't an election - it's a restraining order.)
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To: Signalman
The left welcomes a bad economy...
24 posted on 05/05/2012 12:51:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: TigersEye

25 posted on 05/05/2012 12:53:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Signalman

The economy and unemployment is being hammered MOSTLY by high fuel prices, onerous Demcratic/Obama regulation, Obama’s business crucifixtion mob, the potential for the Bush tax cuts to expire again, general Democrat/Obama meddling and tinkering in the market place, and the looming possibility of Obamacare surviving. Fix those things and our economy would be on fire in months.


26 posted on 05/05/2012 1:16:44 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Signalman

You mean the trillion dollar stimulus and Obamacare went to only the TOP? You Mean All those Shovel ready jobs went to Millionaires and Billionaires? No wonder I didnt get one of those Jobs.
I think the Insurance companies made a Mistake they Sent the renewal for my Healthcare and it went up 2500 dollars! I am going to send a Copy to Obama so he can take care of that error,Im Sure they meant it is a 2500 dollar Decrease.
Why cant these people report the truth that Obama says instead of all these lies,the Press sucks


27 posted on 05/05/2012 1:18:03 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: BenLurkin

Good picture; it accurately sums up what taxation has become.


28 posted on 05/05/2012 2:34:12 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: NVDave; All
The stats for unemployment, CPI, and GDP began going off the tracks long before 2007 as enhancements were added under both D's and R's to make their respective administrations look better.

The change most open to manipulation in unemployment is moving long term discouraged unemployed out of the labor force. This was put into effect in 1996.



'Enhancements' to calculation of the inflation rate have changed it from measuring a set standard of lividng to measuring the cost of a declining standard of living. Among those changes which suppress the CPI are the substitution effect, owner's rental equivalence, geometric weighting, chained dollars, intervenation analysis, and using core inflation to measure the effectiveness of the fed.



Since inflation is being understated, the GDP is overstated. When you look at the following chart remember that government spending is included in the GDP.


29 posted on 05/05/2012 2:37:37 PM PDT by khelus
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To: Signalman

I have been saying since 2008 that the depression would doom Obama to being a one-term wonder, with the economy still way down in November 2012. It didn’t take a genius to see this coming 3 years ago.


30 posted on 05/05/2012 3:48:27 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: NVDave

3. The debt overhang must be reduced to a manageable level through ongoing deleveraging. Nothing will solve that but a decade or two of time.


31 posted on 05/05/2012 3:50:19 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Bob

Can you find statistics on employment for those over 55? If their employment participation is not dropping then they are not retiring and the losses have to be coming from lost jobs, not retirements.


32 posted on 05/05/2012 3:53:25 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: NVDave

I agree. The reason Obama is a one-term wonder is because of people’s seat of the pants experience with unemployment and inflation. They don’t care about published economic numbers. All they know is that their 25 year old kid lives at home, the wife lost her mortgage title job and can’t find anything close in pay, and they just got a pink slip. Meanwhile food and gas are up in cost.

Seat of the pants economics will cause the independents to dump Obama this coming election. I won’t call it a landslide, but people are going to vote their pocket books like usual, and Obama will lose by a goodly margin, in the same was as a failing football quarterback hears the crowd screaming for the 2nd string backup. The crowd doesn’t want to hear that the backup QB may suck, they just want a change to anybody else.

This election will be “anybody but Obama”. He’s done.


33 posted on 05/05/2012 3:57:58 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Signalman
Paralyzed Fed, Economic Recovery Reality, The Emperor is Naked
34 posted on 05/05/2012 4:47:33 PM PDT by blam
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To: Signalman
Obama needs to push back loudly and clearly, saying he won’t support additional spending cuts until the economy is showing clear signs of improvement.

Sure, Bob, sure. It seems clear to me that 0bama should raise taxes on the middle class. After all, he's stood tall on spending cuts in every budget the country has had over the last three years. Which would be none.

35 posted on 05/05/2012 4:53:51 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Can you find statistics on employment for those over 55? If their employment participation is not dropping then they are not retiring and the losses have to be coming from lost jobs, not retirements.

Good idea. I'll see if the numbers are broken out that way anywhere.

36 posted on 05/05/2012 5:03:47 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob

Good luck. I find that no factual argument, no matter how clearly documented, ever convinces a liberal. They are straight emotion and you have to make them “feel” your argument, not gleen your analysis. At least that has been my experience.

I have never one single time every laid out a well-supported argument to a liberal and had one say “OK, I can see that now.” Never. The only few times I have ever won arguments with liberals, it has been appealing strictly to their knee-jerk bleeding-heart emotions.

So good luck to you.


37 posted on 05/05/2012 7:27:58 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: NVDave

“They’re going to be crowing about the 7.something% unemployment rate... and lots of people aren’t going to believe him, because they’ll be looking around their families, neighborhoods, etc and saying “Barry, you’re simply full of crap. I’ve lived through 7% unemployment before... and this ain’t it.”

You’re right; I believe he will lose the election primarily based on the employment situation, and his discredited media won’t be able to do a thing to help him.


38 posted on 05/05/2012 8:38:10 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“All they know is that their 25 year old kid lives at home, the wife lost her mortgage title job and can’t find anything close in pay, and they just got a pink slip. Meanwhile food and gas are up in cost.”

From your lips to God’s ears; think of all of the people impacted by this that have a lot of motivation to vote him out (and his media can’t convince them otherwise). He will win 25% of the vote, but for politically correct reasons 100% of Americans will have to pretend they voted for our affirmative action token...


39 posted on 05/05/2012 8:44:26 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“Can you find statistics on employment for those over 55?”

I think this group is in the worst shape; they had “before-times” salaries for their “before-times” standard of living (which included such things as families, homes, cars, etc.), and have been targeted by companies because of their salaries/benefits. I don’t believe that their skills are obsolete, simply because some are finding similar work at “adjusted-down” salaries; today’s younger people are watching the devastation of this group (often their parents’ generation) and those that are able to consider such things economically are swearing off families and homes.

It is a massive wealth re-distribution scheme with frightening consequences.


40 posted on 05/05/2012 8:51:46 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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