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What We Are Left With - Is Ron Paul Better or Worse Than Romney?

Posted on 05/08/2012 7:23:22 AM PDT by redinIllinois

Instead of letting the establishment act like everybody is happy with Mitt Romney, how about if everybody in the remaining primaries votes for Ron Paul in protest?

What is the worst that could happen?

At least Ron Paul is pro-life and wants to get rid of the vile, evil, Marxist income tax.

Mitt Romney is saying a lot of the right things, but talk is cheap for politicians at election time.

It should be ALARMING for conservatives to see how many of Romney's people have been advising the Obama administration!!

If you look at their history, instead of their promises, is Ron Paul better than Romney?


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To: rightwingextremist1776

Paul is still way more conservative than Romney


51 posted on 05/08/2012 8:57:24 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: redinIllinois

Ron Paul will not be the nominee. He won’t even come close to being the nominee. Paul is not going to stop Romney from getting all the delegates he needs either. Are we really going to continue with this Ron Paul silliness for the next month? It’s just not going to happen. Not now, not ever. I know it sucks, but Romney is going to be the nominee.


52 posted on 05/08/2012 8:59:32 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: redinIllinois

If Ron Paul had come out last year and said, “As president I will not allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons under any circumstances,” he would have won.


53 posted on 05/08/2012 9:02:29 AM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: dfwgator

>> If given a choice between Dr. Paul, Mitt or Obama, I’ll have to go with Dr. Paul, even if he is a tinfoil fruitcake.

> And if for nothing else, the entertainment value.

I almost forgot about that.
It would have high entertainment value.


54 posted on 05/08/2012 9:03:45 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: redinIllinois
When I get a chance here in NJ, I might just vote for Paul over Romney to send my tiny message to the Republican hierarchy.

But I really think Romney is much preferable to Ron Paul. The first duty of a President is to defend America against its enemies. Ron Paul doesn't seem to think we have any enemies. Barack Obama is an enemy. That sort of leaves Romney. Not great, but I really am for the perpetuation of the United States of America.

ML/NJ

55 posted on 05/08/2012 9:04:49 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: redinIllinois

At a minimum, Willard will have 1218 first round delegates bound to him, more than enough to secure the nomination. Any antics Paul devotees could pull at the convention will be swept under the rug and only result in tighter GOP-E rules going forward.


56 posted on 05/08/2012 9:05:59 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: HamiltonJay

Unfortunately, delegates around the country won’t follow the rules and vote for Romney. The conventions going to be a doozy!


57 posted on 05/08/2012 9:07:33 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the community…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: HamiltonJay

You might wish to review Romney’s record before crediting him with not wishing to turn the US into a socialist state.


58 posted on 05/08/2012 9:08:36 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: Lorianne
Jeeeez...doesn't anybody READ anymore....

Never said he wasn't....just said that PAUL is NOT a conservative....and he isn't....he's a LIBERTARIAN!

Here...let me spell it out for you....

R-O-N P-A-U-L I-S N-O-T A C-O-N-S-E-R-V-A-T-I-V-E...

N-E-T-H-E-R I-S R-O-M-N-E-Y

THERE IS no CONSERVATIVE IN THE MIX....NONE!

59 posted on 05/08/2012 9:09:37 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: TurboZamboni
Our own debt foisted on us by our “leaders” will destroy us well beyound what AQ or Iran could ever do.

I definitely agree with this.
60 posted on 05/08/2012 9:12:18 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: STD

Delegates bound to Romney, who do not vote for him on the first round, will be disqualified. They will not prevent his nomination. The establishment has too much at stake.


61 posted on 05/08/2012 9:14:47 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: TurboZamboni

A portion of that debt services Ron Paul’s earmarks.


62 posted on 05/08/2012 9:16:34 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: redinIllinois

>>>The more he gets, the more chance we have of getting their attention.

Ron Paul as a lesser of evils choice is still choosing evil. I refuse to chose evil - no matter what its named.


63 posted on 05/08/2012 9:19:44 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: dfwgator; BuffaloJack; airborne

“I’d love to see Ron Paul as President, if for no other reason than to piss off the powers that be. The media and the two parties would be suicidal! “

“>> If given a choice between Dr. Paul, Mitt or Obama, I’ll have to go with Dr. Paul, even if he is a tinfoil fruitcake.

> And if for nothing else, the entertainment value.

I almost forgot about that.
It would have high entertainment value.”

I’d love to see the heartburn on Rove and Kraut’s faces every time they had to think about Mitt having to spend more money to buy the nomination this time :)


64 posted on 05/08/2012 9:21:03 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

If someone is more conservative than the person suupposedly running on a conservative platform, you can call him conservative.

The point is, if you wanted the more conservative person in office (which most Republicans and most in FR decidedly do NOT want) and the choice was between Romney and Paul, then you would vote for Paul.


65 posted on 05/08/2012 9:24:16 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Ingtar

And every other Republican’s earmarks.


66 posted on 05/08/2012 9:25:34 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne

Well,i am shortly off to vote.
If Gingrich is still on the Indiana ballot ,I will probably vote for him.If not Newt then Ron Paul.But NOT Romney!


67 posted on 05/08/2012 9:28:21 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Lorianne
Sorry...I don't vote for Libertarians in conservative clothes....

Ron Paul is MORE dangerous to the conservative movement then Romney the RINO....

We CONSERVATIVES have a hard enough time trying to convince uninformed people what it is to be a CONSERVATIVE without having to explain why LIBERTARIAN NUT JOBS are not CONSERVATIVES.

I will correct the record at every chance....the guy is a freeking nutjob.

68 posted on 05/08/2012 9:31:20 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Kartographer

“I have tio go with Jim on this.

“Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!”
- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007 “

But has he said that since Newt suspended his campaign?

We are left with two horrible choices - which one is less horrible?

There are a lot of us who will not vote for either socialist.


69 posted on 05/08/2012 9:32:41 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: smokingfrog

If Ron Paul runs on the platform of elimination of income tax coupled with the dismantling of all socialism...would he not win?


70 posted on 05/08/2012 9:38:47 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: redinIllinois; Kartographer; Jim Robinson

I think we were supposed to include Jim if we mention his name in our posts...

Sorry about that.


71 posted on 05/08/2012 9:40:20 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: gunnyg

Voted for Ron Paul and got most of my family to vote for Ron Paul.


72 posted on 05/08/2012 9:43:44 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: rightwingextremist1776

I didn’t tell you who to vote for.

Ron Paul is more conservative than Romney ever was or ever will be. If those are the only two choices, Paul is the conservative of the two.


73 posted on 05/08/2012 9:44:22 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne
Paul is still way more conservative than Romney./

Exactly.

74 posted on 05/08/2012 9:45:46 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: redinIllinois

Ditto.I think some choice words were said about Romney as well.


75 posted on 05/08/2012 9:47:49 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: redinIllinois

I think Ron Paul is a one-trick pony (audit the Fed) and I can’t disagree with that. However, I don’t care for his position on defense or foreign policy, nor would I vote for him for president. That said, though, I may just vote for him in our upcoming primary, if for no other reason than to poke Romney in the eye. It’s either that or write in Newt or Sarah — either which way, our primary vote has been rendered meaningless because of how late it’s held.


76 posted on 05/08/2012 9:48:27 AM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (O's new cookbook: "101 Ways To Wok Your Dog")
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To: Manic_Episode
Mitt will never get my vote

So, to be clear, for all practical purposes you are supporting Obama's re-election (presumably so that you will feel good about not compromising your principles).

But understand you will still compromise your principles -- to a far worse outcome -- by voting for anyone other than the Republican Party nominee (or by not voting, for that matter), thereby helping a socialist hellbent on destoying the American Republic to remain in power. That's what this boils down to in the end, my friend.

77 posted on 05/08/2012 9:50:17 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Lorianne
That may be...but he gives CONSERVATIVES a bad name just the same.

I can't imagine Mr. Reagan EVER stating that he didn't care if Iran got the bomb....

Mr. Paul said that very thing.....and “conservatives” still back him?

Not any real ones that I know.

78 posted on 05/08/2012 9:51:53 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Dead Corpse

“RP is proRKBA. Willard isn’t.
RP is pro-life. Nominally at least. Willard isn’t.
RP thinks global warming is a scam. Willard is a Believer.

RP has warts. Willard has hemorrhagic fever.”

Thanks - that one deserves a chuckle :)


79 posted on 05/08/2012 9:59:16 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: RavenLooneyToon

I don’t think America is ready for Ron Paul.


80 posted on 05/08/2012 10:07:41 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Any man who can not recognize the danger of crazies like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad getting their hands on nuclear weapons no matter what his stands are on other issues has shown a complete lack of understand of the nature of evil and a naiveté which should to any sane and reasonable person exclude him from holding the office of President.


81 posted on 05/08/2012 10:09:41 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Exactly my point to a T.

No real conservative would even THINK of such madness.


82 posted on 05/08/2012 10:19:58 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Ingtar

That policy is being questioned by the delegates involved in the mess. The binding of delegates was a 20th Century manifestation that was only an unwritten rule. Delegates to the convention in prior years voted as they saw fit.
Prepare for heavy weather during the long hot summer of revolution.


83 posted on 05/08/2012 11:09:56 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the community…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: STD

It is not an unwritten rule, but a written one. See 15(a) (1) - (4).


84 posted on 05/08/2012 12:35:22 PM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: CommieCutter

I intended to vote RP in 2008——as I do now—however, it turned out in Fla they would not have counted my write-in vote for RP, so I took RP’s advice and voted for Chuck Baldwin—Glad i did, and glad i will!

Semper Watching!
*****


85 posted on 05/08/2012 1:12:51 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: rightwingextremist1776; Kartographer

“Any man who can not recognize the danger of crazies like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad getting their hands on nuclear weapons no matter what his stands are on other issues has shown a complete lack of understand of the nature of evil and a naiveté which should to any sane and reasonable person exclude him from holding the office of President.”
“ “”Exactly my point to a T.

No real conservative would even THINK of such madness.”” “

This country is about to go over a financial cliff.

We are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar the federal government spends.

That’s madness, too.

Israel may have to act on their own take out Iran’s nuke sites.

We don’t have any good options left.


86 posted on 05/08/2012 1:28:34 PM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: redinIllinois

Mittens would have the support of both parties for whatever socialist scheme that would make Ted Kennedy’s ghost happy. They would all bind together to make sure Paul got nothing.

Lawdy, lawdy!


87 posted on 05/08/2012 3:01:19 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: glennaro
"So, to be clear, for all practical purposes you are supporting Obama's re-election (presumably so that you will feel good about not compromising your principles)"

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I believe the short sighted hand wringing sky is falling approach damages the conservative cause in the long run.

Standing on principle does not always feel good and is not always easy and in fact can be painful, but in the long term it is IMNSHO the best approach to promote the conservative cause (otherwise known as tough love)

I really do hope Mitt beats BO but since he does not remotely represent my values he will have to win without my vote.

I will not be cajoled into voting for someone who goes against everything I believe and stand for.

I will stand accountable to the Ultimate Authority for everything I put my stamp of approval on and no boogieman can scare me more than facing my Maker and trying to explain why I approved of sin and immorality.

The blood of 54 million brutally slaughtered American citizens will not be upon my hands on that day.

Even if billions are killed as a result of this election that will not be on my head.

It will be on those who willfully participated in evil, not those who opposed it.

Even if it costs my life and the lives of my children I will not put my approval on that which God opposes.

Anything less would be hypocritical and cowardly.

High stakes indeed. Feeling good about not compromising does not enter into the equation.

88 posted on 05/08/2012 4:02:34 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Manic_Episode
Even if it costs my life and the lives of my children I will not put my approval on that which God opposes.

The problem is you are determined to think of your vote as somehow "approving" of a candidate. It isn't. Voting is not an affirmative endorsement of a politician, it is a choice between options available at that moment. You can cast a general election ballot for candidate John Doe on Tuesday and immediately go to work the following day to defeat elected official John Doe in the next party primary.

It's no different than choosing the least annoying route to work in the morning. You're not "approving" of the side roads instead of the main road, you are just choosing the best alternative available at the moment.

89 posted on 05/08/2012 8:02:04 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: redinIllinois
“In signing the Personhood Pledge, however, Paul issued an ‘addendum’ in which he reiterated his position that life begins at conception, said he supported a human life amendment to the Constitution, but at the same time argued that the federal government should not interfere with the states in passing laws on abortion.”

Absent said Amendment, that RP supports in your own quote, there is no Federal power to regulate abortion. For, or against. This is why Murder statutes are State crimes. You are also obfuscating his expressed desire to over turn Roe V Wade which removes the FedGov from the question of States passing their own bans on murdering the unborn.

There is no need to lie about RP to come up with unappetizing stuff about him. His isolationist stance for our military for starters...

But just keep showing yourself for being a troll. It's funny in a pathetic and sad kind of way.

90 posted on 05/09/2012 7:55:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: redinIllinois
Weird... Not sure how I clicked the wrong "Reply" button.

Was supposed to be over here...

www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2880838/posts?page=70#70

My bad...

91 posted on 05/09/2012 7:58:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Longbow1969
Here in the US someone can be convicted of murder without ever having actually killed anyone, but because they were "in on it" they are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

In order to be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder a prosecutor must prove 3 elements to gain a conviction.

1.) The defendant intended to agree and did agree with someone to commit murder;

2.) At the time of the agreement, the defendant and [one or more of] the other alleged member[s] of the conspiracy intended that one or more of them would commit murder;

3.) (The/One of the) defendant[s] of coparticipant[s] or (both/ all) of them] committed [at least one of] the overt act[s] alleged to accomplish the murder;

Examples of this crime would be hiring a hitman. The person paying for the murder is just as guilty as the hitman.

Charles Manson claims he never killed anyone but he has been in prison for nearly 40 years for conspiracy.

WHEN SYSTEMS COLLIDE

Abortion is a perfectly legal murder in mans criminal justice system, but I submit that in Gods criminal justice system it is a sin of the most heinous sort, one that brutally ends the life of our most vulnerable and innocent members to the tune of a staggering 54 MILLION VICTIMS in the US alone, and counting.

Those directly responsible are quite obvious, but what of the coparticipants? Those that have conspired against these 54 million vulnerable innocent crime victims? It takes a massively wide conspiracy of unbelievable proportions to accomplish a crime of this unfathomable magnitude.

I submit that all those who keep this sin legal are just as guilty as those who are direct participants.

Abortion is a main plank of the Democratic platform. When you vote for a party you are putting your seal of approval on that platform. You are agreeing and supporting their goals when you cast your vote for their party.

In my mind if I vote for anyone who is pro-choice I would become a co-participant to whatever they put their stamp of approval on.

Which route I take to work has not cost anyone their lives.

Not even once, let alone 54 million times. The hand wringing bed-wetters sniveling about the boogieman means nothing to me.

I answer to a higher authority.

92 posted on 05/09/2012 3:31:13 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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