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2 NY sites recall Benedict Arnold's early heroics
AP via boston.com ^ | 5-10-12 | Chris Carola

Posted on 05/10/2012 6:54:38 PM PDT by Pharmboy


This undated sketch portrait of Gen. Benedict Arnold by an unknown artist was provided by the Library of Congress. While most Americans know Arnold as the man who betrayed his nation by trying to turn over the American fortifications at West Point to the British, then joining the redcoats when the plot was uncovered, his heroic actions at the Revolutionary War's Battles of Saratoga are detailed in a new exhibit opening Thursday, May 10, 2012 at Saratoga National Historical Park.

ALBANY, N.Y.—Benedict Arnold is a hero again, at least temporarily, at two upstate New York historic sites where his pre-treason exploits are being remembered.

Arnold's heroic actions in the Revolutionary War's Battles of Saratoga are detailed in a new exhibit opening Thursday at Saratoga National Historical Park, and his capture of British-held Fort Ticonderoga at the side of Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys is being re-staged later this month in a rare nighttime re-enactment.

The Connecticut-born Arnold led American soldiers through Fort Ticonderoga's front gate in a pre-dawn raid on May 10, 1775, and he helped defeat the British at the Battles of Saratoga two years later. But most Americans know Arnold as the man who betrayed his nation by trying to turn over the American fortifications at West Point to the British, then joining the redcoats when the plot was uncovered.

"He was hated long before he became a traitor," said Eric Schnitzer, a park ranger at Saratoga National Historic Park in Stillwater, 20 miles north of Albany. "Some of the guys fighting with him thought he was a total and complete jerk. Other guys thought he was wonderful."

Count the Green Mountain Boys among the former. Angry at Arnold for his orders forbidding them from looting their British captives, the New Englanders

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: benedictarnold; connecticut; godsgravesglyphs; revwar; saratoga
He was an heroic battlefield fighter...but not a nice guy...Washington tried to protect him as much as he could, and then Arnold sold out the General and the nascent Nation.
1 posted on 05/10/2012 6:54:47 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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I took the photo from a non-AP site.


2 posted on 05/10/2012 6:55:48 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
Count the Green Mountain Boys among the former. Angry at Arnold for his orders forbidding them from looting their British captives...

From what I recall, the leader of the Green Mountain Boys, Ethan Allen, claimed all the credit for himself, which was the initial act that put Arnold on his path to turn against the Revolution.

-PJ

3 posted on 05/10/2012 6:59:26 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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Somewhat unrelated but if you’re ever at the corner of 66th and 3rd in NYC, look around. That’s the spot where Nathan Hale was hanged.


4 posted on 05/10/2012 7:01:30 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: indcons; Chani; thefactor; blam; aculeus; ELS; Doctor Raoul; mainepatsfan; timpad; ...

The RevWar/Colonial History/General Washington ping list...

5 posted on 05/10/2012 7:01:59 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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Somewhat unrelated but if you’re ever at the corner of 66th and 3rd in NYC, look around. That’s the spot where Nathan Hale was hanged.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 7:04:45 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods

I believe it’s 65th...the northwest corner. When I lived in Manhattan and was in the city on July 4, I always dropped flowers at the site. Thanks...


7 posted on 05/10/2012 7:04:49 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Monument

A great idea for a memorial statue to a traitor.


8 posted on 05/10/2012 7:06:21 PM PDT by freefdny
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He’s still a traitor. It’s like having an exhibit of judas iscariot as a “great dude to go have a brew with”, which is trying to cover up/humanize for their eventual betrayal.

Good thing he was miserable before he died alongside the same limeys he helped..and was still ostracized as an outcast by those same limeys he helped.


9 posted on 05/10/2012 7:06:21 PM PDT by max americana
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We visited Saratoga 2 years ago. Fascinating spot.

Also visited Ft. Ticonderoga which was definitely worth a visit. Missed out on the nearby Ft. William Henry so will have to do that in the future.

There is a good movie about Benedict Arnold and George Washington starring Aidan Quinn and Kelsey Grammar. Excellent if you get a chance to view it.

10 posted on 05/10/2012 7:06:21 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Pharmboy
I never knew that, and I once lived at 72nd and 1st.

-PJ

11 posted on 05/10/2012 7:07:16 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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At Ticonderoga, the May 19 restaging of the fort's capture is the first nighttime re-enactment at the privately owned tourist attraction since the one held on May 10, 1975, the raid's 200th anniversary.

BTTT

12 posted on 05/10/2012 7:08:54 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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“There is a good movie about Benedict Arnold and George Washington starring Aidan Quinn and Kelsey Grammar. Excellent if you get a chance to view it.”
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Yeah, A&E network showed it many years ago. Kelsey Grammer was Washington. It was also within the same year or 2 that the same network produced “The CROSSING” (about Washington crossing Delaware on Christmas eve to save the Republic) with Jeff Daniels as one of the best GW played on screen, regardless of his Dumb & Dumber creds.


13 posted on 05/10/2012 7:09:29 PM PDT by max americana
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To: what's up

For the past several years, I worked at Fort Ticonderoga. It has a lot to offer. Don’t waste your time and money on Fort William Henry. You will be disappointed.


14 posted on 05/10/2012 7:10:17 PM PDT by MomofMarine
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To: max americana
As I said, he betrayed the country and Washington, so you have no argument with me.

When I was an active member of the NY Revolutionary Roundtable, the author of a recent Arnold biography sent a letter to our group asking for modest funding to help with the upkeep on Arnold's grave in England.

We took a vote, and it was unanimous: our group would never give a ha'pence for the traitor.

15 posted on 05/10/2012 7:12:34 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: freefdny
Interesting.

I once had lunch at The Old 76 House in Tappan, NY, which was the colonial inn used as the prison and courthouse for the trial of Maj. John Andre, which led to the capture of Arnold.

I believe the inn is still in service as a restaurant.

-PJ

16 posted on 05/10/2012 7:19:22 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: MomofMarine

I would like to see Ft. William Henry just for the historic value but I will take your advice and skip it if it costs too much.


17 posted on 05/10/2012 7:21:26 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Political Junkie Too

Arnold was ALMOST captured, but died in England, I believe. And thanks for the pic...excellent!


18 posted on 05/10/2012 7:21:32 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: max americana
I saw "The Crossing" also.

I preferred the Grammer-Quinn movie but I thought Daniels did a fairly good job.

I still don't think Hollywood has done the definitive George Washington, though, and am still waiting for it.

19 posted on 05/10/2012 7:23:43 PM PDT by what's up
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Of course, you're right. I should have said discovered.

-PJ

20 posted on 05/10/2012 7:25:44 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: what's up

Well, I used to live up in the Lake George area, and although it is a complete reconstruction, Fort William Henry does show the original excavation and a pretty good historical narrative of the French and Indian War. Also, visit the marker up the road for the Battle of Bloody Pond (as seen in the Last of the Mohicans).


21 posted on 05/10/2012 7:28:23 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: MomofMarine
love the Fort... been there several times as a child, an adult and with our kids

the knee high pistol booby-trap makes me shudder every time i see it, and the musket balls looking like chewed gum from biting on during amputations will give anybody pause

22 posted on 05/10/2012 7:29:12 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Pharmboy

Here's the restaurant's main link. Lots of inside pictures, history, and menus.

The 76 House.

-PJ

23 posted on 05/10/2012 7:33:09 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Pharmboy

Today, May 10th, is the anniversary of “America’s First Victory,” when Benedict Arnold, Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys took Fort Ti. Like you, I don’t have much use for Benedict Arnold...or Ethan Allen for that matter (although I try to hide that fact when discussing the fort’s history with Vermonters).


24 posted on 05/10/2012 7:35:53 PM PDT by MomofMarine
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A few of my favorite books:

1. “Saratoga: Turning Point of America’s Revolutionary War,” by Richard M. Ketchum largely about Arnold at Saratoga.
2. “Arundel” by Kenneth Roberts. Focuses on Arnold’s incredible expedition to Quebec through the swamps of Maine and the Battle of Quebec.
3. “Rabble in Arms” also by Kenneth Roberts. This is about Arnold and the Battle of Valcour Island, the Saratoga campaign and the Battles of Saratoga. The stories of how the British disassembled their ships and carried them to Lake Champlain, how the Americans built a small fleet, at the battle at Valcour are amazing.

He was a man of amazing energy and fought Gates at Saratoga to take the fight to the British at a quick tempo.


25 posted on 05/10/2012 7:38:50 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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While Major Andre' was awaiting his execution, he seems to have given serious thought to eternal matters. Doubtless he recalled his early training given him by his Huguenot parents who had found spiritual refuge in England. Until he faced death, Andre' had lived the usual social life of an army officer -- one continuous whirl of gay functions, but his capture and trial changed all of that. Death for him was but a matter of days.

In repentance and faith, he turned to that blessed One who had long before said, "Him that cometh unto Me I will in no wise cast out." -- John 6:37 Major Andre' found there was amazing grace even for him, and he tasted the fruits of conversion -- joy and peace in believing after full repentance. This is set forth wonderfully in his own words in a poem, "My Hiding Place," found in his pocket after he was hanged at Tappan, New York, October 2, 1780. Here is the poem.

Hail, sovereign love, which first began
The scheme to rescue fallen man!
Hail, matchless, free, eternal grace,
Which gave my soul a Hiding Place

Against the God who built the sky
I fought with hands uplifted high --
Despised the mention of His grace,
Too proud to seek a Hiding Place.

Enwrapt in thick Egyptian night,
And fond of darkness more than light,
Madly I ran the sinful race,
Secure -- without a Hiding Place!

But thus the eternal counsel ran:
Almighty love, arrest that man!
I felt the arrows of distress,
And found I had no Hiding Place.

Indignant Justice stood in view;
To Sinai's fiery mount I flew;
But Justice cried with frowning face,
This mountain is no Hiding Place!

Ere long a heavenly voice I heard,
And mercy's angel soon appeared:
He led me, with a beaming face
To JESUS as a Hiding Place.

On Him almighty vengeance fell,
Which must have sunk a world to hell!
He bore it for a sinful race,
And thus became our Hiding Place.

Should sevenfold storms of thunder roll,
And shake this globe from pole to pole,
No thunderbolt shall daunt my face,
For Jesus is my Hiding Place.

A few more setting suns at most
Shall land me on that glorious coast,
Where I shall sing the song of grace,
And see my glorious Hiding Place!

26 posted on 05/10/2012 7:44:53 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: Political Junkie Too

See post above


27 posted on 05/10/2012 7:48:16 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: Chode

Have you been back in the past few years? The Magazin du Roi has been restored with a very impressive art exhibit being continued for another year. And this year, there are a lot of changes, including a completely new weapons exhibit (in the room where the chewed musket balls used to be).


28 posted on 05/10/2012 7:49:26 PM PDT by MomofMarine
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To: MomofMarine

Yes indeed...Allen had his moments, but also had many that were shameful. I’m with you on his count. He hated NYers more than the Brits, from what I understand...or close to it, anyway.


29 posted on 05/10/2012 7:50:30 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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`At Ticonderoga, the May 19 restaging of the fort’s capture is the first nighttime re-enactment at the privately owned tourist attraction since the one held on May 10, 1975, the raid’s 200th anniversary`

Nope- there was a pre-dawn reenactment in 1950 with the Ti National Guard along the road from the gate to the fort complete with machine gun nests and bazookas. I was there as a young boy. I guess it was a combination reenactment and Russian invasion maneuvers coz they had a machine gun also set up in front of the bank and a half-tracked 105mm parked a block away.


30 posted on 05/10/2012 7:52:08 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Ethan Allen Lives!? Who knew?)
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To: MomofMarine
haven't been since 95 or 96... i guess it's about time again
31 posted on 05/10/2012 7:57:25 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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"I still don't think Hollywood has done the definitive George Washington, though, and am still waiting for it."

My personal nomination would be David Morse's unbelievably understated portrayal of Washington in the "John Adams" mini-series (a MUST-HAVE for your collection). Paul Giamatti's Adams was a tour-de-force; Morse played the perfect foil, even with limited screen time. He exuded strength, determination, and humility....as well as righteous anger at times. I thought he was brilliant.


32 posted on 05/10/2012 8:00:06 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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Ping for later.


33 posted on 05/10/2012 8:10:37 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The President who ate the dog, will soon wag the dog.)
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To: RightOnline
I thought the 13-episode documentary The Revolution was interesting. I linked to the Netflix streaming offering.

As a reenacted documentary, there were some cheesy scenes, reused footage, etc., but it was a good refresher on the history of the Revolution.

-PJ

34 posted on 05/10/2012 8:11:27 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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From what I understand, the early histories, those written closer to the events in question, were not kind to Arnold. Benedict's main claim to fame was that he wrote the reports about the action and yes, claimed the fame. He did have a knack for showing up at the right place and the right time. He ignored orders and did turn the tide during the Battle of Saratoga so we can all be glad it turned out as it did - in spite of "Granny" Gates. However, sooner or later a rogue operator could just as easily invite disaster when he undermines the plan.

One way to test this theory is to compare Arnold's written report about the "fleet" he built on Lake Champlain and compare it to what was actually found when that fleet was actually inspected.

As to Benedict Arnold vs Ethan Allen, perhaps Arnold's position could best be summed up as "the Green Mountain Boys are 'fighting on my behalf.'"

35 posted on 05/10/2012 8:25:19 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Chen Guangcheng: Gutsy call, Obama /UltraMegaDrippingSarc)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Pharmboy, and well put.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


36 posted on 05/10/2012 8:34:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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That is very interesting to learn. Thank you for posting it.


37 posted on 05/10/2012 8:53:21 PM PDT by Jaxmum
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To: RightOnline
I quite agree about Morse in the Adams story. Great series.

I thought it was very good acting on Morses' part how he played the obvious pain Washington had with his teeth. It was very subtle acting of a historical side note. My wife and son picked up on his facial grimaces and asked me about it. I explained to them about GW's ongoing dental troubles and his eventual use of wooden false teeth.
38 posted on 05/11/2012 1:22:53 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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39 posted on 05/11/2012 4:23:12 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Great stuff...thanks for posting. Andre was a large personality that was a man whom others liked. Washington felt terrible about having to execute him, but refused to grant him a firing squad (which was more honorable) and had him hung like a spy (if he were captured in uniform, he would have been--most likely--executed by firing squad).

In 1985, on a visit to England, I was on the second floor of Westminster Abbey and turning a corner, bumped into a wooden box on the floor against a railing...I read the writing on the box and it was the bones of Major John Andre. I will never forget that.

40 posted on 05/11/2012 4:28:56 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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It’s threads like this that made me join the RevWar ping list. Thank you everyone for the historical tidbits and please keep up the good work!


41 posted on 05/11/2012 6:18:55 AM PDT by 2sheds
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The Old 76 House is still up and running. I grew up 5 miles from the place and would often drive by it.


42 posted on 05/11/2012 7:29:11 AM PDT by C19fan
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