Romney is leading. Could win. And if he does he'd be a much better Prez that 0bama.
I'm voting for change this November. Change the president.
Posted on 05/17/2012 8:20:19 AM PDT by not romney
Because I want to defeat Obama. The Romney argument from day one has been 'you have to vote for Romney because he's the only one that can beat Obama'. I won't vote for Romney precisely because I know he will lose to Obama. A few examples as to why he'll lose:
Romney's positive approval rating has been 20 points below even McCain and Dole's who both ended up losing. It will probably start to rise with the end of the primary, however this is before the Obama Nasties open fire with both barrels, and Romney is a very target rich environment.
McCain lost to Obama by five million votes. The retort is 'yes but the luster is off Obama this time', true, but the luster has never been and never will be on Romney. The apathy on the right is every bit as apathetic as the apathy on the left. However in addition to apathy there is almost a disdain on the right for Romney and the GOP. Romney will lose three types of voters. 1. Unmotivated voters who won't bother to turn off 'Dancing with the Stars' to go vote. 2. Voters like myself that know Romney is a liberal and are disgusted with the dishonest corrupt campaign he and the GOP have run. 3. Voters that hate Romney so much that as soon as the word 'Romney' leaves your mouth the conversation is over. So from where is Romney going to get his votes?
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I’m glad your not voting because you are a blithering idiot. Shut up and sit down.
Sob, sob, sob.
My heart is breaking for those who live in a world they did not make.
Romney is leading. Could win. And if he does he'd be a much better Prez that 0bama.
I'm voting for change this November. Change the president.
Yes.A beautiful phrase:
CONCESSION SPEECH
A classic from 2004. CNS
>>Boston (CNSNews.com) - As President George Bush edged closer to the 270 electoral votes necessary to secure re-election, supporters of Democratic nominee John Kerry openly wept and consoled each other at the Election Night celebration in Boston’s Copley Square. Some Kerry supporters called Bush’s platform “all lies” and heckled a group of College Republicans who were passing through the crowd.
>>A distraught woman confronted Democratic U.S. Rep. Harold Ford in the lobby of the Fairmont Copley Plaza Hotel and screamed, “Can you tell me why everybody made a mistake?” Ford responded, “Let me talk to the candidate before I make a comment. It’s been a long day.”
Another woman standing near Ford began to openly weep at the prospect of a Kerry loss.
...
When CNSNews.com asked why he had confidently predicted a Kerry victory just a few hours earlier, Davis responded, “I, like many people saw the exit polls, which saw Kerry ahead in every battleground state.”
“We believed they were a precursor of a great evening,” a somber Davis explained.
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Meanwhile, outside Kerry’s Copley Square rally, a contingent of College Republicans from Northeastern University marched through the sea of Kerry supporters and got heckled.
“You vote for Bush, you get what you deserve,” shouted Kerry supporter Bob Bryant to the GOP contingent.
Another man shouted to the Republicans “This is why the rest of the world calls us ignorant Americans. You obviously don’t read the newspapers or you would not believe as you do.”
A woman, unhappy the Republicans were there, screamed, “someone shut up those idiots.’
Brian Henchey, one of the College Republicans marching through the crowd told CNSNews.com that he had “never seen more sad and depressed faces in my life than what I have seen here in Copley Square tonight.”
Yes Romney is a flip flopper. He was for a lot of things before he was against them, much of which I attribute to a practical Republican politician as a governor of a very liberal Dem state controlled by Dems.He may or may not have a core. I do not know. What I do know is that unlike Romney,Obama does have a ideological core and he will consistently propose and support every far left program that suits his ideological core. There is not one thing this man has said or done that I agree with. At least with a practical coreless Romney there is a small chance that some of the flip flopping back to conservative positions to secure the nomination will take hold if he is elected because the general national electorate is not as liberal as Mass the most liberal state in the union and he will suffer politically among Republicans if he reverts to his Massachusetts ways . With Obama there is zero chance of this occurring and there is a strong possibility this nation will not survive intact to 2016 if he is reelected.
Your right to support Obama, but I won’t follow you off the cliff. I’ll only go down scratching and clawing...
But, what is the real meaning of “is is”??
How many of the “I won’t vote for Romney for reason X” crowd do you think will write in Palin?
The same number that started prayer threads for her when she was playing with the base about running?
Romney stinks for sure, but Kennedy/Ginsburg/Breyer will come down in the next four years and I personally don’t want to see three more Kagans.
Yeah, yeah Romney’s appointments in MA were bad, but if the GOP can stop Bush with Miers, they can stop him if necessary - especially if they can grab VA/PA/TX (Cruz - not a grab)/NE/IA (again, not a grab) an put in solid Conservatives.
I’d like to go to sleep and wake up on election day, just in time to vote. Then go back to sleep for a week while everyone from both sides runs in circles and screams.
Don't!
I wont vote for a pro abort. Ever. Romney’s history is pro-abort. I won’t vote for someone who pushes socialized medicine. Romney socialized medicine while governor in MA and the kenyanites used his model to do the same to the nation. I won’t vote for someone who will commit the one truly irretrievable sin of appointing more Lefist judges. See Romney’s history in MA. Et cetera. Et al. And so on. And so forth. If I wanted a Communist or a Socialist to be president I would vote for the kenyan. Romney, were he to win, would be a one term president turning off the majority of those center/right voters he would get this year and would turn over a then solidly socialist government to the kenyan’s heir or perhaps to the kenyan himself.
Ain’t that the truth?
For the most part - I ignore these political threads just like I do the Religion hate-fest threads. Or the humblegunner threads. Or the (fill in the blank) threads.
There used to be a time when JR and the mods just locked threads when they became FUBAR. No more replies.
Now they fester on for days and with thousands of replies and hundreds of FReepmails. And when the grumblings and infighting reaches epic proportions and zots go flying everywhere - Jim zots the thread and ~voila~
It never happened.
So you are prepared to have at least 2 or more ultra=liberals put on the SCOTUS under Hussein Obama.
His history is pro abortion. See MA.
By gawd, that’s it! Better our commie than their commie!
Huh?
If you think Romney is a communist then I cannot help you. I suggest perhaps furthering your education.
I support the author (you?) on this 100%. Since the economic collapse is mathematically NOT preventable at this point, we need it to happen on Obama's watch, because HE made it happen. If it gets blamed on a Republican, the Left will get that much more power.
You didn’t read the article, I take? Your question was addressed in whole paragraphs.
Voting for Romney or Obama is a vote for marxism either way.
You lush marxism as you personally are doing and yoj can expect to get called on it from here on out.
For conservatives, if the Republicans switch to runninv liberals they are our enemies as much as the democrats.
This is not a Republican site. It is a conservative site.
Dont stump for your marxist here
Romney did not change his mind on abortion at age 59 in 2005, he merely reversed his political positions to campaign for the GOP presidential nomination.
Remember that Romney was not just pro-choice, Romney was a passionate, dedicated, effective, pro-abortion salesman, delivering public, heart-felt descriptions of what led his family to become pro-abortion since 1963 and how his mother was a hero for having the courage to campaign on it in her 1970 Senate campaign.
Thanks, Mr. Edd, I’ll tell Wilbur!
Uh, yeah, but if people don't vote for him, he will lose.
It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy.
“His history is pro abortion. See MA”
He is now pro life. May be for expedient political advantage or he may sincerely believe it. I do not know.What I do know is that Obama has been consistently pro abortion, always was and always will be.So is your argument that you reward the person who is no doubt pro abortion by throwing away your vote on a third party or not voting? Rather than trying to oust the sure thing for abortion on the off chance that the Republican RINO candidate may not retreat from his pro life position after he is elected because of the one flip flap too many rule making it difficult for him to do so.
I should not be replying to this article for a number of reasons but feel compelled to do so anyway.
I must first say a couple of things to prepare readers that may not want to get to the end and think they have wasted their time by reading what I have said.
1. I don’t hate Romney. That being said I might modify that by saying I don’t hate Romney any more than other RINO politicians. The worst quality about Romney after being more liberal than me is that he is a politician. Politicians do ugly things.
2. I don’t hate Mormons and I’m not even afraid of them. I am so unafraid that I married one of them and am less afraid of them now than I was before I married.
3. I never thought either George Bush was conservative. I voted for both of them.
4. I have never been a cry baby who threw a tantrum if I did not get my way.
Now to my comments.
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Romney’s positive approval rating has been 20 points below even McCain and Dole’s who both ended up losing. It will probably start to rise with the end of the primary, however this is before the Obama Nasties open fire with both barrels, and Romney is a very target rich environment.
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This is either old information or a prevarication. I don’t know and I don’t care, Romneys approval rates at least by several polls are three times higher than stated. Still, those polls don’t mean anything, the poll on the first Tuesday in November is all that counts. Right now the RINO Romney is polling higher than the Marxist Obama.
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Romney is so stiff that it makes it almost too painful to watch.
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Reagan was stiff as a board but conveyed his ideas well enough.
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Both Romney and Obama are desperate to avoid their records, causing them to run a vapid, mud slinging campaign with both candidates trying to bring the other down, rather than building himself up.
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This is simply not true. Romney talks about his record all the time. I’m not sure that all of what he says is true, after all he is a politician. As far as I’m concerned the definition of liar is “Politician”.
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If Obama wins, the next two Supreme Court justices will alter the makeup of the court. Nonsense. Scalia, Alito, Thomas, Roberts aren’t going anywhere. Kennedy probably isn’t either. If he does, his replacement still has to be confirmed by the Senate. You simply don’t confirm anyone less conservative than Kennedy, next problem.
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Nothing could be any more wrong. Kagen & Sotomayor are the most liveral justices ever appointed. Ginsburg is 78 years old. Only 1.8% of our population is older. I would say her chances of outlasting Obama in a 2nd term are something on the order of 2 in a hundred, they aren’t wonderful. Scalia is 75, getting up there too, how many people do you know that are 75 and still working? I expect the next term of president will see at least one Supreme Court change possibly two.
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Not only was Ross Perot a poor candidate but H.W. Bush was not a horrible candidate either. But this time Romney is a horrible candidate. Also Clinton does not even come close to Barak Obama on the socialist meter, so things are very different this time. Can you imagine a true conservative debating these two liberal Bozos, with their socialist medicine legislation hanging around their necks?
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Where in the world do you get your information. Clinton and Obama are on the same page, they are identical except they spell their names different. Recall that Clinton tried to get Hillary care passed but it was voted down.
If you think the Media will portray Romney as a liberal you are mistaken. To the media he will be an ultra conservative. George W. Bush had a tough spine but he was liberal except when it comes to the military. My hope is that if Romney wins he will be at least as conservative as W. I know, that isn’t asking for much but is better than the Marxist Obama. If you really think that a third party conservative will do anything but assure Obama gets elected you must be smoking something really good.
We need a conservative. We need a Michelle Bachman but we need to do it in the primaries not the general election as a third party.
Michelle Bachman lost. She didn’t lose because of her ideas and ideals she lost because she got in late. It takes four years of campaigning and scratching backs to win. It takes organization and money. You can’t run for president on a shoe string, you can’t run half a$$ed as Cain did. You have to be all in.
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On the other hand our third party candidate will start with a huge base of disenfranchised conservative voters.
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What is the meaning of Huge? We on Free Republic consider ourselves Conservative. The rest of the world considers us right wingers, there is a big difference. To the rest of the world George Bush 1 & 2 were conservative. To us they were not. To the rest of the world Romney is a conservative, even he thinks he is conservative. Republican does not mean conservative. I doubt if more than about 20% of the electorate is conservative enough to vote for Palin and that is VERY generous. Actually I think the number is probably way smaller. Palin in many ways, most ways, would be the perfect president but would have a hard time getting more than 1/5th of the vote. So maybe a conservative third party candidate would start out with a huge (20%) base I don’t think they would ever get any further.
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If Obama wins we muddle through for another four, but have another shot in four years for a true conservative.
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NO! NOT EVEN CLOSE. If Obama wins it’s over. There will be no more conservatives. Obama care is like Social Security, once it starts there is no turning it off. The only thing after Obama care is collapse, what comes after collapse will be Marxism. The whole purpose of Obama Care is to bring down the system. The reason for Occupy Wallstreet is to bring down the system. Obama and his cadre of Marxist in his government have one goal, that is to bring it down.
With any republican, including the RINO’s we MIGHT have a chance to get a conservative that can do something in four year or even eight years. With Obama, it’s over!
So all Romney has to do is say something, and you believe it? Well, how do you keep track? He's been back and forth on every issue so often----do you believe him every time, on every THING? Last Thursday he said "people of the same gender who love each other" should be able to adopt children. Then he backtracked on Friday. So did you believe him on Thursday, and again on Friday? Just another change of mind, right?
If it was one issue, yeah, I might believe it. But you're talking about a man who has lied about his own NAME. Bottom line, infants in MA are being killed thanks to this man, and he has never acknowledged it, nor apologized for it.
Neither Obama nor Romney are God. Neither Romney nor Obama are Christian, nor conservative.
A “radical” Christian voter may believe that God has lifted his blessing from our nation, regardless how this particular election turns out here on earth, believing that instead it will be He who sets before us our leaders. (The ones we deserve!)
In this post-Christian era in the USA, the two parties have melled into one, all of them duly elected, because they are “of the people” and represent the condition of the people, the moral decline of the broader population and certainly the decline in the “radically” faithful Christian.
Jesus would not fit in. And imagine Abraham? That Abraham and Isaac moment of sacrifice would be hooted off the laugh-o-meter by the media. But, Abraham did do his part first, in faith, in courage. Only AFTER Abraham did his part, did God do His work and provided for His faithful servant His saving act.
Great courage and great faith appear to be foolish, highly risky, maybe even deadly (for our nation), certainly scary, but never easy.
THIS is the time to do what is right, to act on right conscience and trust God for the rest.
I am not afraid of four more years of Obama, if that is what it takes to explode the socialist GOPE, who are actively moving the Republican Party to the Godless Left.
This is my test.
Paraphrasing here; “If my people, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves, and pray,......I will heal their land.”
He is speaking to HIS PEOPLE, now the Church! Not to the strategical thinkers, the fearful and panicked, ordinary Republicans, with their eyes on what is seen but not upon the unsee, but to His CHURCH, His people.
We should FIRST do our part, IMHO, and vote against Romney, for all the obvious reasons his awful record provides us, trusting instead of in Romney, rather in our great Almighty God, and only AFTER we do our scary but faithful part, trust in God to provide our course.
REBELLION IS TOO DAMN HARD, and it’s scary. But we ARE the resistance. We are the Church.
Meant to ping you to #83. Sorry about that. :)
Thanks.
Beautifully stated, dearest RitaOK.
Jim has often said, “We’re on a mission from God,” and, truly, we are.
I understand you don’t like Romney, and I’m not sure too many of us (at least on FR) do either. So we can agree he’s a stinker on most, if not all, respects.
However, your argument, logic and reasoning aren’t very compelling. If you want to argue against Romney’s political positions on a variety of issues, you can make a case. But if you try to argue that voting for Romney is futile because he can’t win the election, then you just aren’t believable. Obama is going to lose to someone. We could have run a ham-sandwich and stood a good chance of beating Obama. Plus, most everyone is expecting Republican gains in Congress. That’s two branches of govt that should come out in our favor.
That leaves the Supreme Court. It is conservatively estimated that at least one SCOTUS Justice will be replaced in the next presidential term. There may be as many as three. Those appointments are made for *LIFE*. I want to do whatever I can to deny Obama the opportunity to make any further appointments. Whoever runs against Obama (presumably Romney at this point) I would rather take my chances with their selection of appointees than Obama’s. Even though there is still no guarantee a conservative justice will be seated, we already know the sort of justice Obama prefers and there is no silver-lining to the two flaming-lib/lesbian-poster-girls he appointed. No more Sotomayors or Kagens. For me, that is the overriding, essential point of this election.
If you want to allow Obama *any* advantage to be re-elected, that’s your choice. But to try and justify or rationalize voting against the leading candidate (who unfortunately is the GOP candidate at this point) for some unknown and/or back-of-the-pack candidate is pure folly. We have to make the best of the sorry hand we’ve been dealt. In no way will anyone ever convince me that allowing Obama back in the white house is a reasonable and prudent strategy. That would call sanity into question.
But, if you or anyone else can get a candidate polling ahead of the GOP candidate before election day, then I will certainly vote for them! Until then, I go with whoever has the best chance against Obama, be that the GOP candidate (most likely) or some other candidate that polls higher. There is no other logical choice, only those driven by blinding-emotions, irrational-pie-in-the-sky hopes, plain ol’ hissy-fits and the like.
Just say NO to Willard !
Politically astute, and very correct.
Thank you very much, RitaOK!! Prayers up for our free nation under God!!
If you are just going to”sit it out”,you’ve done NOTHING positive!
Brilliant post, Rita.
I can’t say that I have great courage; when Obama has done certain unbearable things, I’ve wavered, and wondered, “Am I doing the right thing? SHOULD I vote for anybody just to get him out?” And every time, after praying, I have gotten my confirmation from God. In my heart I know what’s right, and right is not voting for abortion/homosexual-loving Romney. But being human, I’ve gotten weak. But the Lord has been there every time, assuring me that He has it under control, and that I’m to stand back, away from this mess, and not bloody my own hands. We just need to trust. HE HAS THIS.
A certain wise Freeper told me that she, also, believes this is a test of faith, so you aren’t alone in your view.
Romney does not uphold God’s teachings (see my tag line) so he doesn’t get my vote. Neither does Hussein get my vote so don’t post to me I’m voting for him. God will take it from here. Simple.
Exactly so. We choose not to choose. We are the faithful. We trust in Him.
Perfectly explaining why it is necessary to do what is right, not expedient at all times as a Christian.
You can pretty much guage the correctness of your post about Romney by the level of acrimony and false charges leveled against you by supporters of Romney.
It’s the clearest litmus test there is.
You folks might as well put me on your “insult list”, because I WILL NOT vote for that RINO bastard. I WILL NOT yield to MSM, Rove, Romney-Fox news, the corrupt GOP-e or anyone else that supports that POS liar.
I detest Obama and everything that filthy bastard stands for. He deserves to be in prison, not living in our White House. But, I can not vote for Romney. In what seems like a very twisted way of thinking, I envy some of you folks who can switch horses so easily....I can not.
I have long said that the very moment that Romney becomes the nominee, Obama wins another 4 years.
“Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom and then lost it have never known it again.” ~ Ronald Reagan, from his first inaugural speech as governor of California, January 5, 1967
Ronald Reagan’s warning about losing our freedoms echoes down through a generation of lost momentum and squandered opportunity.
We now have the most ignorant electorate in the history of American elections. I believe we have the most corrupt government and media our country has ever seen.
I know that many of you didn’t like him, but I believe that Newt was the one leader that could have turned our country away from the abyss, intelligently and quickly.
It is abundantly clear that not enough folks shared my beliefs, instead of a leader, they wanted a preacher.... and far too many lacked the courage to forgive and look beyond the personal sins in a mans past and into the promise of a brighter future for our country. That is certainly a free choice and a personal choice.... and as it is with all choices, there will be consequences.
To be clear, I WILL NOT vote for Romney. I have held that position from the start of this faux race and nothing has changed. To me, broccoli is broccoli, regardless of what’s put on it.... I hate broccoli.
In any case, Americans will get the country it apparently wants and a country it so richly deserves.
God must save this country if it is to be saved, because as a People, we have most certainly failed.
I have said my piece in post #98.
I am done with this.
God bless....
That’s right....God can do miracles, and does every day.
I will admit that I was clueless about Romney in 2008. Toward the last of the campaign was when I started lurking here, and if it wasn’t for FR, I’d probably still be ignorant of the true Willard.
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