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Evidence photos show bloodied Zimmerman, gun, more
WFTV ^ | 5-17-2012 | WFTV

Posted on 05/17/2012 8:14:15 PM PDT by RightFighter

A treasure trove of evidence was released today in the Zimmerman case. Please make special note of the embroidery on the back of Zimmerman's sweatshirt. Love it!


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KEYWORDS: banglist; selfdefense; skittles; trayvon; zimmerman
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To: Steely Tom
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101 posted on 05/18/2012 1:03:03 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER OathKeeper III We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

5-11, 158

http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2012/05/17/21/26/aOYtz.So.56.pdf


102 posted on 05/18/2012 1:04:17 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: SaraJohnson

The no bruises goes the other way, too. I’m looking for some other mechanism for George’s facial injuries. That iced tea can looks kind of dinged-up.


103 posted on 05/18/2012 1:13:10 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg
You left out the elbow. Elbows from a superior position, or any position are deadly.
104 posted on 05/18/2012 1:14:24 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: JohnKinAK

Three pieces.


105 posted on 05/18/2012 1:14:51 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: butterdezillion

I read 105 the same way. Finding stray DNA isn’t all that unusual. The testing these days is pretty sensitive.


106 posted on 05/18/2012 1:19:06 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Tarantulas
If Martin had been full of TLC.....he was full of THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol)

What on earth is TLC? And he was not full of THC, there were only trace amounts. THC is the component of marijuana and if he was stoned, it would have shown up in his blood work. Besides marijuana does not induce aggressive behavior (like alcohol does). It mellows you down and makes you hungry.
107 posted on 05/18/2012 1:19:56 AM PDT by kroll
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To: Theoria
Elbows from a superior position, or any position are deadly.

No they are not. Only if you are lying on concrete, because of possibility of head injuries on impact with a hard surface when hit. Elbows mostly cause lacerations because the impact is usually not direct (i.e. is lateral). But have you ever tried hitting something hard with your elbow? Unless trained it is vastly more painful then punching, adrenalized or not (In fact it causes momentary paralysis of the arm due to the presence of the ulnar nerve there). I train Muay-Thai as a general hobby and hence the knowledge. Martin most likely punched him.
108 posted on 05/18/2012 1:29:07 AM PDT by kroll
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To: Theoria

Good point. The DNA test report doesn’t provide specific locations for all the samples. Some from the shirt had Z’s DNA. The hoodie had only Martin’s. Other possibility is he just charged him, I see that done by our local gang bangers a lot.


109 posted on 05/18/2012 1:29:07 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: kroll

Martin just had one small bruise on the ring finger of his left hand, that’s what’s provoking my curiosity.


110 posted on 05/18/2012 1:32:02 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: CedarDave
If the prosecutor insists on going to trial with a second-degree murder case against him, it will be a short jury verdict unless its a mistrial. No way will he be convicted. If a mistrial the DA will look long and hard at retrying the case.

I'm just going by bits and pieces of various articles, but I believe in Florida the case can be dismissed immedately by the judge as not being a prima facie case (not enough evidence to even respond to), which is not same as a mistrial, and a retrial would not be an option.

Now changing to a reduced charge like negligent homicide - I don't know if that is an option at this point. If it is, and I was GZ, that is one that would concern me a lot.

111 posted on 05/18/2012 1:38:53 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: ArmstedFragg

There’s another piece of trivia that I found interesting. The PD wanted to do a download of Martin’s phone. They took a shot at it on scene, but failed. They then had the Sheriff’s office try without success because it was password protected. So, a contact was made with the phone company, which advised that with the account number and the PIN they could override the password. The PD then contacted Daddy Martin to get the PIN, and he told them he’d have to talk to his lawyer first. That raised an eyebrow here.


112 posted on 05/18/2012 1:42:19 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: kroll
If I could pick a weapon. Elbows and knees. Punching only risks breaking your hand. Hands get broke all the time. That's why open hand punching works well because if you miss and hit the ground or concrete, ya aren't gonna break a knuckle.You can break bricks with your elbow. Elbows are a superior weapon. Elbows from the mount is deadly.

Now as for Martin. I doubt he was trained in their use. Nor are most ganstas. Look up kangraoo fighting and thats the typical routine. He probably used his fists. I don't think he used elbows, I just put that out there for consideration.

Now as for their use in general. Sure, throw a punch. Break it on top of someones head. I've been combat sports for years so I also have a opinion on the matter. I've use elbows for years, and I've never had a problem. But, everyone is different.

113 posted on 05/18/2012 1:47:27 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Theoria
Thanks for sharing your expertise!
114 posted on 05/18/2012 1:56:23 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Theoria

Ah, I agree with you. I wasn’t suggesting using punches from the mount, just that I doubt Martin would have thought of that and the first elbow he threw would surely have made him decide to throw punches instead. And I don’t think he was a ‘gangsta’ any more than Zimmerman was racist hater. Its our counter-reaction to the MSM’s massive overreaction.


115 posted on 05/18/2012 2:19:48 AM PDT by kroll
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To: ltc8k6; mickie
Thanks for the link to the surveillance video.

I wonder whatever happened to the proposed Florida law that convenience stores should have two employees on duty at all times. I know at one time Orlando was studying such a proposal. The convenience store lobby opposes such a regulation.

At any rate, it sure must be nerve-wracking to work all night as the lone employee of a store. Especially when creepy hooded males walk in the door and you can't see faces or bulges in pockets.

You couldn't pay me enough to hold such a job, especially with the present bad economy and high unemployment rate among unstable yutes.

Leni

116 posted on 05/18/2012 2:23:40 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: RightFighter

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117 posted on 05/18/2012 2:33:55 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Loyal Sedition
"Does ANYONE here actually believe that factual EVIDENCE will trump the political agenda?"

Will let you know after the jury is picked.

118 posted on 05/18/2012 2:59:49 AM PDT by evad (STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING. It's the SPENDING Stupid)
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To: Meet the New Boss

We now have judges in a position of their lives being threatened like back in the days of the Mafia.....Oh, wait, it is the black Mafia this time.


119 posted on 05/18/2012 3:35:05 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (NEWT in 2012)
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To: RightFighter; waterhill; ixtl; mylife
Excellent post! Nice shot by Mr. Zimmerman, almost center mass. I thought I read on another thread where it was determined the shot was from 1-18 inches and they called it intermediate(?) range.

If there is any justice, Mr. Zimmerman should be this countries next millionaire. (((ping)))

120 posted on 05/18/2012 3:36:31 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: Loyal Sedition
Of course it will. That's why the factual evidence is being released now: to disqualify all thinking, objective, rational persons who have seen it from being jurors! This will reduce the juror pool to low IQ black peers of TM who will be manipulated into a guilty verdict.

This all part of BO's plan. If the law-abiding portion of America doesn't believe they will get justice through the courts, he thinks they will be less inclined to resist his corrupt government. However, this can also lead to revolution. May God give grace that next revolution is peaceful.

It's worth noting that in some parts of Afghanistan the local populations prefer the Taliban court because the decisions are more just than those given by the courts of the corrupt (American-supported) Karzai government.

121 posted on 05/18/2012 3:36:33 AM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: kroll
What on earth is TLC?

Tender Loving Care thilly!!!


122 posted on 05/18/2012 3:37:49 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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Banglist (((ping))).


123 posted on 05/18/2012 3:37:58 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: RightFighter

Thanks for posting.

Such a contrast between Martin and the clean cut young working guy behind the counter.

What did he put in his mouth that is sticking out of his mouth in the close ups. It doesn’t look like a regular cigarette. It looks something black. He’s definitely on something when you look at all the video.


124 posted on 05/18/2012 3:42:13 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: JRandomFreeper
LOL!

"Scotty! Beam up Mr. Zimmerman!


125 posted on 05/18/2012 3:57:28 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Watermelon Fruit Juice. The entire time we’ve been told by the media it was Iced Tea.


126 posted on 05/18/2012 4:02:32 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: super7man
I think it is what they call a drop block breach.

The rear of any gun barrel is called the "breech." It is where the ammunition is loaded. Minor spelling correction. (Also what a rear-presentation baby birth is called.)

Furthermore, my impression is that a drop-breech or falling-block firearm is a quite different loading mechanism, not like this type of autoloader. In this pistol, the rear of the barrel is connected with a link to the frame. The simultaneous rearward travel for a short distance causes the rear of the barrel to drop just enough so as not to hinder further rearward travel of the slide, ejecting the brass, then a bit farther yet to permit the spring-loaded next round to enter the chamber.

The action stays open (as in the photo) after the last round is fired, so that changing the magazine will permit the new top round to be autoloaded.

See the very nice animated drawing in Post #27 above and follow the action of auto-loading.

FYI

127 posted on 05/18/2012 4:17:43 AM PDT by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society, but dangerous for a fool.)
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To: JAKraig
Most people that carry the PF9 usually load with hollow points when Concealed carrying.

My choice is the P-3AT and S&W Bodyguard. Both are .380, pocket pistols and both on me at all times.

128 posted on 05/18/2012 4:28:49 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: CurlyDave

You are right and I also noticed the money he had. The autopsy report states that he has 10 cents on him. In the video it looks like he still has paper money in addition to coins left over after paying. Where did that money go? Did he make another stop somewhere else before going back home?


129 posted on 05/18/2012 4:37:57 AM PDT by silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
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To: ArmstedFragg
The autopsy had just a single bruise on one knuckle. One thing the defense needs to do is DNA testing of Trayvon’s shoes, the hand damage isn’t consistent with George’s facial injuries, there must have been some other mechanism of injury.

He would have been dead within a minute or so of throwing the punches. Would he bruise after death?

130 posted on 05/18/2012 5:05:58 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H

Make that... ‘He WAS dead within a minute or so of throwing the punches.’


131 posted on 05/18/2012 5:08:31 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: expat1000

Drop George Zimmerman’s murder charge by The Dersh

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161?localLinksEnabled=false


132 posted on 05/18/2012 5:11:52 AM PDT by ironman
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To: silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids

Police probably missed a dime when they collected his money. Remained for the ME.


133 posted on 05/18/2012 5:16:51 AM PDT by ironman
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To: SaraJohnson
Did she overcharge Zimmerman so he’d get off because she knows he’s innocent, and she would get out from under the Obama administration and klan witch hunt? Lawyers are tricky...

I've thought that from the beginning. I also think it may be the reason that Zimmerman's attorney did not plead the case for a lessor charge.

There's a lot of Machiavellian double-think going on in this case. I think its purpose (at least from the standpoint of the officials) is to allow things to cool down in hopes of avoiding a race riot.

But its purpose on behalf of the news media is to sensationalize and actually to foment racial divisions to drum up more customers (viewers, readers, etc.) for that media.

134 posted on 05/18/2012 5:37:04 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (OBAMA!!'s name is all caps as sarcasm to indicate a lack of respect, as he does not deserve it)
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To: RightFighter
Well, we should give the MSM some credit. At least their reporting about the Arizona iced tea was correct! /s
135 posted on 05/18/2012 5:37:49 AM PDT by mellow velo (Oxymorons: jumbo shrimp, rap music, liberal think-tank)
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To: RightFighter
Compression cuts on the back of the head - reinforces his claim that Trayvon was banging his head against the sidewalk. No damage to his hands, compared to the abrasions/contusions noted on Trayvon's hands also reinforces Georges claim. The prosecution will have to do a better job of obfuscating things than the OJ defense team did for this to convict George - all it takes is one rational juror to stop a conviction and I have to assume Georges team can manage to get a couple on the jury.

The Kel Tec is similar to my Kahr pocket piece.

136 posted on 05/18/2012 5:41:50 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: RightFighter

Poppping my popcorn now and waiting to celebrate the only rational and honest verdict: INNOCENT!!!! It’s going to be like that scene from “A Time to KIll” when that boy comes running out of the court to announce to the crowd outside...”He’s INNOCENT! He’s INNOCENT!”


137 posted on 05/18/2012 5:47:15 AM PDT by Arcy ("I want to know how God created this world." - Albert Einstein)
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To: RightFighter
Popping my popcorn now and waiting to celebrate the only rational and honest verdict: INNOCENT!!!! It's going to be like that scene from “A Time to Kill” when that boy comes running out of the court to announce to the crowd outside...”He's INNOCENT! He's INNOCENT!”
138 posted on 05/18/2012 5:47:36 AM PDT by Arcy ("I want to know how God created this world." - Albert Einstein)
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To: RightFighter

Well, this surely contradicts what Dee Dee said. She said that Trayvon did NOT have his hoodie up UNTIL he was fearful of George Zimmerman. In the 7-11 video, that hoodie is up.

What ELSE did she embellish? Hmmmm?


139 posted on 05/18/2012 6:07:02 AM PDT by Shelayne
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To: ironman

“The Dersh” - yea, good name for him!

While I detest his politics, he knows his law, for sure, and I also have a certain respect for him in that he’s not a sneak or two-faced the way so many ‘progressives’ are. He says what he believes, and believes what he says, and if you don’t like it - tough.

He’s been pissed about Corey’s blatant politicking and unethical gaming the system since the murder charge was first filed.


140 posted on 05/18/2012 7:18:25 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: ArmstedFragg

One of the witnesses described Trayvon’s fighting as being martial-arts style. I wonder what that means, and where that means the DNA evidence would be.


141 posted on 05/18/2012 7:39:57 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ArmstedFragg

That raised my eyebrow too. Especially knowing that it was supposedly right around that time that Crump got them in with this “Dee-Dee” and they really started pushing for the media firestorm. “Dee-Dee” has steadfastly refused to deal with anybody except the “law enforcement” that’s controlled by the race baiters.

Another thing that caught my eye was the woman who called in the next day (?), refused to give her name or any contact info, but immediately went into a rant about how racist George Zimmerman is and how he could easily have done this for racist reasons... makes me wonder if this was the mother of one of the perps Zimmerman had recently helped catch doing crimes in the area.

Interesting that these materials from the prosecution focus on Zimmerman’s calls always involving young Black males - which only suggests racist tendencies if there were also perps of other races that he ignored, or if these crimes were not being actually done by Black males.

I wondered why they bothered to include the newsletters and e-mails regarding the Neighborhood Watch.


142 posted on 05/18/2012 7:51:41 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: kroll

Well... refereeing street fighting, the tattoos he had, the texts he sent, the drugs in his system, the school suspensions for drug possession, , vandalism/probable theft, and beating up a bus driver, the tweets from somebody wanting him to sell weed to him, the pants hanging around about crotch level and the hoodie that kept his identity hidden, the post-mortem comments by his friends that he probably beat up Zimmerman good....

I’d say he was pretty much a gangsta. What’s missing, that leads you to think he wasn’t?


143 posted on 05/18/2012 7:59:06 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids

I think the cops counted $40.75 (or something like that) in his pocket. The dime that the coroner found must have accidentally been left in the pocket.


144 posted on 05/18/2012 8:02:53 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: UCANSEE2

The slide is jammed open.

All autos look like that when open.


145 posted on 05/18/2012 8:20:08 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: kroll

Any amount of THC in the blood is stoned to the max.

THC moves out of the blood and into fatty areas rapidly.

The brain is 70% fat, so there should be more there than in the blood.


146 posted on 05/18/2012 8:41:13 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: RightFighter

5’11” is surprising and does not seem to match the height impression from the 7 11 store video.


147 posted on 05/18/2012 9:54:15 AM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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To: Envisioning

Coroner said “intermediate”, expert on gunshots said “contact”. Guess which one got left out of the MSM coverage?


148 posted on 05/18/2012 11:27:30 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids

Additional money was recovered by police, it’s in their report.


149 posted on 05/18/2012 11:31:04 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: mellow velo

They got that wrong also. It was Arizona Watermelon Fruit Punch, not iced tea.


150 posted on 05/18/2012 11:37:13 AM PDT by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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