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Rabbi Yosef: Treating gentiles violates Sabbath
Ynetnews.com ^ | May 17, 2012 | Ynet

Posted on 05/17/2012 8:58:02 PM PDT by olcurmudgeon

What should religious doctors do if a gentile is injured in a car accident on Shabbat and is rushed to the hospital? According to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, this does not warrant violating the sanctity of the Sabbath.

During a class on Sabbath halacha relating to religious physicians, the spiritual leader of Shas said that while doctors are expected to do everything in their power – even if it requires violating the Sabbath – in order to save Jews whose lives are in danger, the same does not apply for gentiles.

"If a gentile were to get injured in a car accident during Sabbath, and he is brought to the hospital – Israel must not treat him," he said, explaining that "if the particular procedures come from rabbis (de-rabbanan), then they might be permitted, but if they stem from prohibitions in the Torah (de-'oraita), then they are not allowed, as the Torah forbids to violate the Sabbath for gentiles."

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TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: gentile; israel; jewish; sabbath

1 posted on 05/17/2012 8:58:07 PM PDT by olcurmudgeon
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To: olcurmudgeon

gee thanks.


2 posted on 05/17/2012 9:01:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: olcurmudgeon

A Jew named Jesus handled that one 2000 years ago.


3 posted on 05/17/2012 9:01:41 PM PDT by DManA
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To: olcurmudgeon

This rabbi is full of shit. I’m Jewish and had a Jewish uncle who was a doctor. He never discriminated against anyone who needed help.

This nut is not a Jew. He’s a schmuck posing as a Jew.

We have some aholes like that. Beware of them!


4 posted on 05/17/2012 9:09:24 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: olcurmudgeon

Maybe twisting the knife to breed dissent?


5 posted on 05/17/2012 9:09:24 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Waiting for the new tagline to download)
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To: Conservative4Ever
Maybe twisting the knife to breed dissent?

The born on date would indicate that.
6 posted on 05/17/2012 9:15:52 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: olcurmudgeon

The great rabbi Hillel said that even saving the life of a cow merited breaking the sabbath.


7 posted on 05/17/2012 9:20:52 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: olcurmudgeon

Ignorant superstitious fools.


8 posted on 05/17/2012 9:26:20 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: olcurmudgeon

These rabbis ought to read the New Testament. Particularly the parable of the Good Samaritan. In fact — is it possible that the Good Samaritan parable was intended as a SPECIFIC REBUKE to this nonsense from the Rabbis?


9 posted on 05/17/2012 9:27:42 PM PDT by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: kabumpo

I guess the cow was Jewish and not a Gentile!

Hey that brings up the question: “Why do LDS’ers call nonLDS’ers “Gentiles”?


10 posted on 05/17/2012 9:29:52 PM PDT by TaMoDee ( Lassez les bons temps rouler dans les 2012! Allez Pack!)
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To: olcurmudgeon

These rabbis ought to read the New Testament. Particularly the parable of the Good Samaritan. In fact — is it possible that the Good Samaritan parable was intended as a SPECIFIC REBUKE to this nonsense from the Rabbis?


11 posted on 05/17/2012 9:31:38 PM PDT by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: olcurmudgeon

Gee I see the Rabbi is setting up a money changing booth int he temple waiting to get his ass kicked by Jesus again.


12 posted on 05/17/2012 9:32:14 PM PDT by healy61
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To: olcurmudgeon

I’m betting that would depend on which Jewish doctor is available and I’m also betting that most, if not all, would respond to an emergency regardless of the day of the week.


13 posted on 05/17/2012 9:42:44 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: Conservative4Ever

olcurmudgeon
Since Apr 20, 2012


14 posted on 05/17/2012 9:44:59 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: olcurmudgeon

Shas has always been schmucks.


15 posted on 05/17/2012 9:47:09 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: olcurmudgeon

Hmm, a Rabbi that spent a lot of time in Egypt; wonder what kind of other possibly non-Biblical influence he might have absorbed. Sorry, Obadiah Joseph; you might have picked up something from the Muslims, it sounds like.


16 posted on 05/17/2012 9:56:34 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Just work around them. Ovadia was always a pompous ass.


17 posted on 05/17/2012 10:01:05 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: F15Eagle

And the last three posts have been specifically about Jews.


18 posted on 05/17/2012 10:02:18 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: F15Eagle

Ah. Newcurmudgeon :)).


19 posted on 05/17/2012 10:02:40 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: olcurmudgeon

IBTZ???

Snif, snif....


20 posted on 05/17/2012 10:04:19 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Olog-hai

Yah, noticed that too.


21 posted on 05/17/2012 10:07:26 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Any reading of Jewish teachings says to choose/save life all the time (and without regard to ethnicity or faith) This guy is either misquoted or full of sh!t. You see Jewish hospitals doctors and nurses treating and serving all comers 24/7. (Israel is very like USA in that the weird or nuts gets a lot of news coverage.) This guy definitely does not represent, or sdpeak for, any recognizable reading of Judeo-Christian moral teachings.


22 posted on 05/17/2012 10:12:56 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (remember when "Four more years!" was a credible campaign slogan for an incumbent?)
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To: olcurmudgeon

Be sure to read the whole article, folks....

“The doctors’ license says they must treat all patients without distinction of faith or race, and if they don’t, the State could revoke their license and also punish them. So what should the poor doctors do?”

“The rabbi offered a halachic solution that follows a rule by which if a single person is doing the act, he is violating the Sabbath, while if two people are doing it together, they are exempt.”


23 posted on 05/17/2012 10:14:22 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Years ago my sister was the token gentile in a very orthodox community. Someone there got into serious legal trouble when their child got sick on the sabbath, they wouldn’t use the phone to call for help, and the child died. As a result, my sister became the ‘go to’ person to make emergency calls, etc. on the sabbath.


24 posted on 05/17/2012 10:14:41 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: olcurmudgeon

Jews have their droolers, just as does Protestant Christianity.


25 posted on 05/17/2012 10:19:10 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: olcurmudgeon

Sometimes we strain out the nats while swallowing whole camels.


26 posted on 05/17/2012 10:35:41 PM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

We Christians have a few schmucks too. :)


27 posted on 05/17/2012 10:37:53 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: olcurmudgeon

Rabbi Yosef is 92 years old and has been saying dumb things, often in contravention to most Halachick positions for the last few years. Senile dementia is sad. The left and antisemites using it is worse.


28 posted on 05/17/2012 11:01:14 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: DManA
The Parable of Good Samaritan is misunderstood because most people don't have basic background knowledge. A Samaritan Kohen or Levite would have automatically avoided, what they presume to be a corpse because they would otherwise become ritually impure for days. A a Jewish Kohen or Levite of the Saducee/Zadokim school would have done the same. A Pharisee/Perushim Kohen or Levite had a rabbinic ruling which allow them to do either. A common Samaritan or Jew would have had no obligation to remain ritually pure.

All Orthodox Jews are Pharisees. And Talmudic ruling demand that saving a life takes precedence over ritual purity.

29 posted on 05/17/2012 11:16:38 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: DManA
The Parable of Good Samaritan is misunderstood because most people don't have basic background knowledge. A Samaritan Kohen or Levite would have automatically avoided, what they presume to be a corpse because they would otherwise become ritually impure for days. A a Jewish Kohen or Levite of the Saducee/Zadokim school would have done the same. A Pharisee/Perushim Kohen or Levite had a rabbinic ruling which allow them to do either. A common Samaritan or Jew would have had no obligation to remain ritually pure.

All Orthodox Jews are Pharisees. And Talmudic ruling demand that saving a life takes precedence over ritual purity.

30 posted on 05/17/2012 11:16:54 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: EDINVA

That community breeched Jewish law when they failed to call for medical help for a sick child. It wasn’t just that they could breech the Sabbath to save the child, but that there is a positive ruling that they must do so. Their ignorance of Jewish law killed the child, not Jewish law. It must have been horrible for them not only to lose a child, but then learn their sin.


31 posted on 05/17/2012 11:21:20 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: SaraJohnson

Wanna trade? I’m tired of listening to our schmucks say the same old crap, decade after decade. I need some new aholes to get my blood pressure up to “living”.

Actually, I’d like to get a hot Wiccan who can cook.

I did get slapped by a WITCH, once, at a protest. I said something she thought was sexist (it was), and she slapped me. Not hard, but a reminder that she was there.

WITCH=Women’s International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell, 1969.

Actually, she was a pretty nice person when she put her broomstick away.


32 posted on 05/17/2012 11:33:15 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: olcurmudgeon
We are allowed to break the Sabbath if it involves saving a life. It doesn't matter who the person is. G-d makes no distinctions between Jew and Gentile.
33 posted on 05/17/2012 11:33:57 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you so much,Pumpkin. You're the best cat in the world.)
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To: Rytwyng

Rabbis are not supposed to read the New Testament as it is not part of the Jewish Bible. It is irrelevant to Judasim.

Only G-d can rebuke us.


34 posted on 05/17/2012 11:39:35 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you so much,Pumpkin. You're the best cat in the world.)
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To: rmlew

Thank you for that explanation.


35 posted on 05/18/2012 12:16:17 AM PDT by patriot453 (Barack Obama: the best thing that ever happened to the Republican Party.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Bump your post. I could not imagine my very much loved Jewish friends not extending a helping hand to me if I needed it... no matter the time or day. Bless and hugs for them all.


36 posted on 05/18/2012 12:31:34 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: rmlew

I’m not sure why you bring up the Parable of the Good Samaritan. Jesus Himself healed on the Sabbath.

Mark 3:1-6 (New International Version)

Jesus Heals on the Sabbath

3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.


37 posted on 05/18/2012 4:40:13 AM PDT by DManA
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To: EDINVA
Years ago my sister was the token gentile in a very orthodox community. Someone there got into serious legal trouble when their child got sick on the sabbath, they wouldn’t use the phone to call for help, and the child died. As a result, my sister became the ‘go to’ person to make emergency calls, etc. on the sabbath.

They had a strange interpretation of Jewish law. According to the principle of Pikuach Nefesh "[rescuing a] life in danger takes precedence over the Sabbath.". An applicable Biblical verse is "You shall not stand idly by the blood of your neighbor" (Leviticus 19:16)

38 posted on 05/18/2012 4:54:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can’t be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: EDINVA

A friend of ours had a very orthodox family living across the street. One Sabbath afternoon there was a knock on their door. It was getting hot in the house and they wanted my friend to come over and turn on the air conditioning. We found it odd that they were forbidden to operate the controls but were free to enjoy the benefits.


39 posted on 05/18/2012 5:11:04 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: DManA
A Jew named Jesus handled that one 2000 years ago.

Yep - "pick up your mat and walk". He made it clear that the Sabbath was for the people to enjoy, not a requirement for/from God.

40 posted on 05/18/2012 5:53:11 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: olcurmudgeon

40 posts and no response yet?


41 posted on 05/18/2012 7:41:51 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: CatherineofAragon
What are you talking about. I have noted that Yosef at 92 is senile and has been making questionable rulings for years. Others have noted the law that his ruling breaks, or seems to break. pikkuah nefesh doheh Shabbat--[rescuing a] life in danger takes precedence over the Sabbath.

And this ruling is not limited to Jews.

42 posted on 05/18/2012 8:39:02 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

I was talking about the fact that the original poster had not come back to comment.


43 posted on 05/18/2012 11:10:30 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
Rabbis are not supposed to read the New Testament as it is not part of the Jewish Bible. It is irrelevant to Judasim.

Some Jews do accept Jesus as having been a wise Rabbi with teachings worthy of study. In light of this ghastly medical pronouncement by this Rabbi Yosef,I really do think that the Good Samaritan story would be something he'd need to look at.

Interesting screenname BTW. Powers Boothe is a great actor.

44 posted on 05/19/2012 10:14:34 PM PDT by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: Rytwyng

Jesus didn’t teach anything we Jews didn’t already know.


45 posted on 05/19/2012 11:03:59 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you so much,Pumpkin. You're the best cat in the world.)
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To: olcurmudgeon

This “rabbi” is a senile fool.

Saving of a human life (goy, Jewish, arab, even Democrat) trumps almost any mitzvah, and certainly Shabbos.

“What is hateful to yourself, do not do to your fellow man. That is the whole Torah; the rest is just commentary. Go and study it.” (Talmud Shabbat 31a).


46 posted on 08/22/2012 11:27:06 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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