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Gun Manufacturers Rifle Making Suggestion
me | May 18 2012 | Yosemitest

Posted on 05/18/2012 3:35:36 PM PDT by Yosemitest



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Outdoors; Travel
KEYWORDS: 22lr; backpacking; banglist; browning270wsm; brownings270wsm; circuitjudge; gunporn; henry; hiking; m6scout; rossi; ruger1022; survival; taurus
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To: Yosemitest
Hey, you've got an old Louisiana squirrel hunter here. :) I grew up shooting a H&R 20 gauge topper junior, model 490, with a modified choke. It still sleeps less than 6' from me, every night. :) It was a gift to me from my dad when I was about 8 yo. My favorite shot is 7-1/2. With it, I've killed truck loads of squirrels at well over 20 steps and ducks as soon as they lock up. On a covey rise, back when we had quail in Louisiana (before the fire ant invasion), I usually knocked down at least two by carrying a couple of shells in my hand.

A rifled barrel spins the shot and causes it to spread greatly soon after exiting the muzzle. A smooth bore shotgun doesn't have that problem.

101 posted on 05/18/2012 6:45:34 PM PDT by Errant
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H&R Topper Junior, 20 Gauge, Model 490 with 26" Barrel

102 posted on 05/18/2012 6:50:46 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Yosemitest

Just personal opinion, but given the choice for comparable pricing I prefer good used top quality over brand new lower tier. I figure if I decide I want something different later I have a better chance of getting my original investment back. It’s worked so far. YMMV.


103 posted on 05/18/2012 7:08:52 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Yosemitest

Ruger pc-9 and ruger p-85. Rifle and pistol both 9 mm, take the same magazine. Rifle gives round a little more power.


104 posted on 05/18/2012 7:10:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Bryanw92

Just recently available.


105 posted on 05/18/2012 7:13:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: x1stcav

You can also get 16 round mags for it too.


106 posted on 05/18/2012 7:14:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Yosemitest
Some more info for you.

New Jersey classifies commonly owned semi-automatic .22 rifles as "assault firearms." New Jersey imposes a 10-year prison sentence with a minimum mandatory three to five years, even if the gun owner had a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser Identification Card and the .22 was lawfully purchased prior to the ban. New Jersey classifies both antique revolving cylinder shotguns and semi-automatic BB guns as "assault firearms." New Jersey imposes a 10-year prison sentence with a minimum mandatory three to five years, even if the gun owner had a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser Identification Card and the antique shotgun or BB gun was lawfully purchased prior to the ban.

Source

http://www.pgnh.org/count_your_blessings_new_jersey_shows_how_bad_gun_laws_can_be

107 posted on 05/18/2012 7:19:03 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Yosemitest

I don’t eat quail eyes anyway so it works great for me.


108 posted on 05/18/2012 7:22:55 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: USNBandit

I have one (M1A) and I can shoot the eye out of a chipmunk at 300 yards.


109 posted on 05/18/2012 7:43:35 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

I have shot really nice M1A’s that shoot really well, but my SOCOM is not one of them.


110 posted on 05/18/2012 7:57:32 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Yeah I dont like a short barrel on a 308. 18 is about as short as I like to go. My Savage Scout is 20 and its just right.


111 posted on 05/18/2012 8:06:04 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Yosemitest

been using stingers in my 10-22 since 1992. just fyi...


112 posted on 05/18/2012 8:55:04 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Ya'ah teh Shi kis' !)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Note to left handed people on the Kel Tec SUB-2000, you get spryed with unburned powder as the shell ejects. If not for that, I would have kept my sub since it was so compact.


113 posted on 05/18/2012 8:57:52 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Ya'ah teh Shi kis' !)
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To: Ratman83
Man, the crime rate in New Jersey must be "thru the roof" with all those insane gun laws.
Y'all really need to vote 'dem idiots out, or send 'dem swimmin' with 'da fishes.
I just couldn't live like 'dat.
I'd move, and take my taxes with me.
114 posted on 05/18/2012 9:10:05 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Redcitizen

Does the “Stingers” work okay in the 10/22, or have you had any problems?


115 posted on 05/18/2012 9:12:23 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

The stingers have worked good all these years. I usually know when to clean my rifle so no issues in reliability. I don’t constantly use stingers due to cost but when I use stingers, they work reliably. I have fired them into gallon jugs of water- they mushroom well. Close to .30 inch diameter.


116 posted on 05/18/2012 9:22:21 PM PDT by Redcitizen (New Mexico green chili is the best.)
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To: Redcitizen
Thanks, that's good to hear. Do you think they'd work fine in the Henry AR-7?
117 posted on 05/18/2012 9:25:15 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

Thats my opinion that they would work in your AR-7. That extra power in a stinger may come in handy when your firearm is dirty and you need it to cycle. The Ruger 10-22 is complex compared to a bolt gun or even a Henry AR-7 and stingers work in uger 10-22s so yes. Give it a try.
If not, CCI (who makes stingers at 32 grains), makes a 40 grain hollowpoint called velocitator that goes faster than regular high velocity 40 grain hollowpoints.


118 posted on 05/18/2012 9:35:07 PM PDT by Redcitizen (New Mexico green chili is the best.)
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To: Redcitizen

Okay, that’s good to hear. I’ll check them out.


119 posted on 05/18/2012 9:44:38 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

hindsight being 20/20 I think you are correct. You need at least 18” to stabilize a .308 round. .308 is pretty picky with bullet weight and twists. I remember trying to shoot “Special Ball” in a national match rifle with a barrel made for “National Match.” The results were not very good.


120 posted on 05/18/2012 10:06:57 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Errant

I had a Stevens 12 ga 36" single shot with hammer, when I was a kid.
It was full choke and kicked like a mule. It was a blast and I loved it.
But it burned when my parents home burned down.
One day I'm going to replace that shotgun.
121 posted on 05/18/2012 10:08:44 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: JDoutrider

marker


122 posted on 05/18/2012 11:15:45 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Yosemitest

...compared to 8 shot in the AR-7...
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I’ve had an AR-7 Explorer for around 30 years. In addition to the little magazine that came with the gun, I added a 15 round mag and a 30 round mag; both bought at a gun show. Gun and mags very reliable and accurate.


123 posted on 05/18/2012 11:56:00 PM PDT by octex
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To: octex

Thanks.


124 posted on 05/19/2012 12:23:17 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

Ruger advises against Stinger ammo in the 10/22 literature. It leads to malfunctions. I bought one (10/22) for my 11 year old grandson for Christmas last year...he loves it but would rather shoot my Saiga .223....he likes the BANG!


125 posted on 05/19/2012 4:56:55 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Yosemitest
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126 posted on 05/19/2012 7:07:25 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Yosemitest

127 posted on 05/19/2012 7:10:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

I would not recommend steel cased ammo in anything other than an AK type platform. I had a problem with it in my SU-16. Works great with brass, though.


128 posted on 05/19/2012 7:36:16 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Yosemitest

Thanks, reasonable answer.


129 posted on 05/19/2012 8:02:27 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Joe Brower
Okay, thanks.
I didn't know, and at my age, I probably won't remember.
But thanks again.
130 posted on 05/19/2012 10:10:09 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Lazamataz
That looks like a cap pistol I had as a kid, back in the 60s. It came with 5 blanks in a round can.
131 posted on 05/19/2012 10:13:52 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

Probably your best bet is a handi rifle from Hr1871.com Go there and look around and you may find something you like.

The .45/.410 chambering is popular and it seems to work pretty well. You do have to use rounds that do not use a shot cup for the .410, otherwise the shot cup will spin the shot into a very wide pattern. Those rounds are available (Federal) or you can make them yourself which is a better solution.

If you are a reloader, there are many more options available to you than if you are “Stuck with factory loads”. And I used the word “stuck” after some thought on the right word to use.

When the .45-70 was issued in 1873 to our troops there were several different types of ammo in the wagons:

1. 405 grain. Black bear are toast with this round.
2. Shotgun rounds (no shotcup) that were included so the troops could get birds and rabbits for protein in the field. It worked quite well.
3. They can also be loaded with 144 grain round ball at 405 FPS for rabbit.
4. There is another round available from Western Bullets that is 150 grain that can be driven to slightly above 2,000 FPS. Or 405 FPS if you wish for rabbit. You have to look around for the loading information but it does appear on some of the reloading forums.

All of the above have to be hand loaded as they simply aren’t on the market as ammo.

Good luck...


132 posted on 05/19/2012 11:03:15 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: Ratman83

I think we need to sell New Jersey to the Chinese, and build a wall around it;)


133 posted on 05/19/2012 12:11:19 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Ratman83

I think we need to sell New Jersey to the Chinese, and build a wall around it;)


134 posted on 05/19/2012 12:12:06 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Yosemitest

I do not live in jersey, I have a brother there and friends from there. Relatives in New York so i understand it as well, both liberal pits.


135 posted on 05/19/2012 12:15:09 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Frank_2001

Just drive all the liberals into the sea.


136 posted on 05/19/2012 12:37:37 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: buffaloguy
Thanks. Here's that 45-70 for $313.69, but a little heavy at 7 pounds.
It looks very nice. At 38" overall length, it would pack outside my 42" external frame and I could probably get to it from over my shoulder.
I'll have to look for that ammo and check the prices.
The idea is to be able to carry a small amount of ammo of different types, but be able to pick it up at most medium sized cities.

The H&R Survivor at $326.55 also caught my attention, but again, a little heavy at 7 pounds.
137 posted on 05/19/2012 12:56:28 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: MileHi; Errant

The is also the Valmet 412 series of rifle/shotgun double. The .222 Rem over 12 gauge was once the most prized turkey gun in Penn's Woods when there were 2 seasons (Spring and Fall) and one was rifle legal. Savage may have even marketed the Valmet at one point but I'm not sure if they were re-badged with the Savage name. They were definitely a level or two higher quality than the 24 models.

138 posted on 05/19/2012 1:04:07 PM PDT by kitchen (America or obama - you can't have both.)
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To: kitchen
They were definitely a level or two higher quality than the 24 models.

The 30-30/12 g I saw years ago was very nice with walnut and much nicer than the .22/410 versions. Modern threaded chokes would make it very versatile. Shame they don't make one, it would be a great truck gun.

Thanks for that.

139 posted on 05/19/2012 1:14:31 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Yosemitest

Leeprecision.com makes a full .45-70 reloading set up (Lee Classic Loader) for 25.95. All you need is a rock, or a branch or some heavy object to use as a hammer. You can make what you need and what the rifles likes rather than having to settle for ammo that is designed for the average rifle.

The Lee Classic Loader is an old design going back to the Civil War era and the design turns out quality, target level ammo for very little money. It doesn’t look like much but it held a world record for the smallest group at 1,000 yards for 7 years in the 1990s. This is what I use exclusively.

I would see if anyone in your area has some handi rifles so you can handle them. The need to handle Black Bear with a light rifle is going to be very difficult to meet and since it might be you life your life on the line, I would not necessarily go with a smaller round.

By the way, the Handi rifles are legendary as reliable, accurate rifles. And the price is right.


140 posted on 05/19/2012 2:02:44 PM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: kitchen
Look what that Savage Model 24D is selling for today, certainly alot more than $122.65.
Try $467.00 with $30.00 shipping and probably $25.00 paperwork fee on the other end.
But I'd bet it's worth it.
141 posted on 05/19/2012 2:12:50 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: buffaloguy

I can’t argue about the price. It’s certainly affordable.


142 posted on 05/19/2012 2:15:14 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

The prices for ammo are ridiculous. I load my fullbore 405 grain .45-70 rounds with a Lee Precision Loader for .14 cents a piece. The roundball is .06 per round. Full rounds, primer and everything else.

About the same cost as a .22LR, but it leaves a 1/2 inch hole. Not bad.


143 posted on 05/19/2012 2:43:32 PM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: marktwain

And that’s part of the reason that I wish someone would make the type of gun that I wrote about. I want a .223 that will eat ANYTHING and still use AR mags. And not be made with too much plastic. And no buffer tube.

Too picky, I know. There are guns that have some of these features, but not all.

If someone could make a Mini 14 that took AR mags, I’d get it. From what I understand, those things will eat steel case like there’s no tomorrow.


144 posted on 05/19/2012 3:51:06 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: buffaloguy

I can’t do reloads on the trail. I’ll have to buy it.


145 posted on 05/19/2012 5:28:46 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

You load up what you need on anyone day then only replace what you shot.

It was commonplace to reload five or six rounds in cowboy days.


146 posted on 05/19/2012 7:15:59 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: texmexis best
I bought a Lee Loader for a 30-30 when I was a kid, and never used it.
To carry it on the trail, along with powder, shot and primer, just isn't efficient for the weight, use or money.
You have to worry about keeping it dry, and safe from other items.
I just don't see it for a 6 month trip.
Now staying around home, might be different. But my eyes, well I have to wear glasses with diabetes II.
Can you understand? I'm looking for "just enough firepower" with multiple choices in ammo, and small enough to backpack, and still be dependable.
And unlike the old days, I won't have a pack horse.
147 posted on 05/19/2012 7:52:38 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: central_va; Yosemitest
This should get the job done.

Yosemitest is looking of a pack gun not a "pack mule" gun!

150 posted on 05/19/2012 10:27:04 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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