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djf

Posted on 05/19/2012 4:44:53 PM PDT by djf

Now I have lived in the same house for 20 tears. And years ago, right after we first moved in, my wife had planted these tea rose thingies.

That's ok. They can be a bit of a mess to take care of, but this year something happened for the very first time.

Rather it DIDN'T happen and it might be a mixed blessing, but wanted to ask fellow FReeper gardeners if they noticed the same thing.

Year after year, just about the first sign of life on the roses, late March or mid April FOR SURE is...

APHIDS!!!

This year NOT ONE SINGLE APHID!! This is totally unheard of and beyond my experience gardening here in the Pacific Northwest.

Now I don't miss them at all. But it seems very strange. I haven't noticed a large increase in ladybugs or anything else that might effect them, and I didn't use and more or less pesticides than I have in the past.

Anybody have any ideas?


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1 posted on 05/19/2012 4:44:57 PM PDT by djf
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To: djf
They are all on my tobacco plants down here in Texas. Sigh...

/johnny

2 posted on 05/19/2012 4:46:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: djf
Do you have other NEW critters?? Did someone spray them last year with a soapy mixture?

Have you been using the garden to recyle your beer? Has your dog?

3 posted on 05/19/2012 4:51:19 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: djf

Aphids messed me up.. I used seven dust.. waiting to get flamed.. but that’s my post and I stick to it..


4 posted on 05/19/2012 4:54:25 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: djf

I noticed the absence of aphids on my rhodie blooms this year. Usually, the buds are crawling with aphids, but this year - nothing!

I live in Longview, WA.

We had a very cold period a few weeks back after a warming period. It was cold enough to frost. I wonder if that would have killed off any potential aphid army?


5 posted on 05/19/2012 4:54:53 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: djf

Thank the Lord...and move on !!!!!


6 posted on 05/19/2012 4:55:20 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Seriously, nothing has changed. I was wondering if anybody else noticed it. Maybe they all went south for the summer... It’s quite unusual, and it seems SOMETHING must have changed, but nothing I did.


7 posted on 05/19/2012 4:58:32 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: djf

Did you ever hear of “global warming?” :))


8 posted on 05/19/2012 5:03:01 PM PDT by jennings2004 (President Hayes, Mount Rushmore, telephone, Dear Leader...what a mix!)
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To: SatinDoll

CONFIRMATION!!

Thank you.

I have roses in about 6 spots, different types, and usually they ALL have some aphids. Never noticed them so much on the rhodies. But each tear I grow cabbage and they tend to love that stuff, this year they are clean also.

Hope it’s not some nasty environmental indicator.


9 posted on 05/19/2012 5:03:12 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SatinDoll

I am in NJ and a novice gardener (I mean, novice probably gives me more credit that I deserve, I grew up in apartments my own life and now I’m trying to grow things), but I did notice the rhodie that are planted by my deck (not by me, exisitng when we moved in) look FABULOUS this year.

We had an extremely mild and dry winter, probably the easiest winter I can remember in my 54 years, could that be it?


10 posted on 05/19/2012 5:05:13 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: djf

Have you been gardening organically over the past several years? There’s oftentimes a lagging effect of gardening without synthetics that isn’t fully realized for a few years. Maybe the aphid predators just caught up with them?


11 posted on 05/19/2012 5:05:13 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: djf

I live on the Hood Canal. This is the best Spring on record for many, many moons. Thank your blessings the Aphids are gone.

Perhaps, you live close to a medical marijuana farmer and he unleashed some predator mites. That happened to me about 10 years ago in Kingston.

A rather large grower who lived a street over released 100,000+ Lady Bugs on his crop. Instead of staying put they swarmed the neighborhood and roosted on the South wall of my shop. LOL! I bet he didn’t waste his money on such silly “Integrated Pest Management” scheme’s after that!


12 posted on 05/19/2012 5:07:33 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: fwdude

The only thing different was that last year I put a bit more lime on them than I usually do. Maybe 50% more. And not even on all the roses...


13 posted on 05/19/2012 5:07:42 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: djf

If you don’t want to go the insecticide route go with Ladybugs. I think you can order them live either on line or ask at a local garden center. Ladybugs just eat them things right up!


14 posted on 05/19/2012 5:09:32 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: djf

HAARP!


15 posted on 05/19/2012 5:12:24 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1215 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: jmacusa

There is a place down in the valley near me that has a ton of wild dill growing, I could go and snag some of that. For some reason, ladybugs absolutely love dill and the plants are usually covered with them.


16 posted on 05/19/2012 5:13:41 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: djf

More seriously, are your ants gone?


17 posted on 05/19/2012 5:14:28 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1215 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: null and void

Sadly, no.

Oh well!!


18 posted on 05/19/2012 5:17:22 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What do you do with your tobacco, have you ever tried to make a cigarette equal to a store bought one (refined, well dried,flavorful)?


19 posted on 05/19/2012 5:18:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (When immutable definition of Bible marriage of One Man, One Woman, is in jeopardy, call the Mormon.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ve considered a tobacco crop.

Is it hard to grow in Texas?


20 posted on 05/19/2012 5:20:38 PM PDT by berdie
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To: djf

Too bad, missing ants would explain missing aphids.

(OTOH, then we’d have to worry about why the ants are missing...)


21 posted on 05/19/2012 5:21:02 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1215 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: djf

Here in Michigan, the few hot days we had in April brought a lot of the bugs out early only to be killed by the frost.


22 posted on 05/19/2012 5:21:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: djf

It’s been an odd spring in many places. All blooming things put on a show here, too. Can’t say about aphids since I went to a distinctly casual, low maintenance approach to my landscaping years ago and just wouldn’t have noticed and don’t have anything that would be all that adversely affected even if there were an infestation.

But, the lightning bugs are just amazing this year, normally not even seen until June, they’ve been out in force since early May, lighting up trees on the edges of fields like Christmas twinkle lights.

Very odd, but beautiful.


23 posted on 05/19/2012 5:22:55 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: djf
Maybe they all went south for the summer

Yes, they did. Thanks a lot. Like the squirrel aren't enough trouble.

24 posted on 05/19/2012 5:24:43 PM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: berdie
It wasn't difficult to grow in another part of N. Texas, but I'm having Ole Billy with it here at the family estate property. Sandy here, black gumbo where I grew it before.

I'll be able to answer your question in a few years, after I get the kinks worked out or give up.

/johnny

25 posted on 05/19/2012 5:25:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cripplecreek

We did have a nasty, nasty ice storm back in January, and the tree limbs, plants, ground, everything was coated in ice for about three days.

Now I don’t know where aphids hang out in January or if an ice storm would bother them... I know one of the other PIA bugs we have around here is earwigs, and they breed and live in the ground during the winter. Sometimes doing spring digging, I hit a nest of them, and all the sudden like you see ten thousand tiny earwigs on your shovel (or gloves!!)
But they are basically scavengers and totally harmless.
Ugly, but harmless.


26 posted on 05/19/2012 5:27:48 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ansel12
Personally, I don't like store-bought cigarettes. They taste like crap and are harsh.

I've stuffed my own for over 15 years, and use good tobacco, either from a friend's farm in NC, or what I grow myself.

/johnny

27 posted on 05/19/2012 5:29:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: djf

No aphids on my roses. I don’t have stink bugs either, although my neighbors all do.

Probably means I’m too nasty even for bugs.


28 posted on 05/19/2012 5:31:16 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: berdie

If you can grow petunias you can grow tobacco. Lots of it planted around here, my dad’s family were tobacco planters going way back. Tobacco likes hot humid weather and a thunderstorm every couple of days with baking sun in between. East Texas should work, west I don’t know. Burley works in cooler climes, brightleaf in hotter ones. Burley is easier to cure.


29 posted on 05/19/2012 5:31:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: goseminoles; djf

“Aphids messed me up.. I used seven dust.. waiting to get flamed.. but that’s my post and I stick to it..”

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http://www.richsoil.com/diatomaceous-earth.jsp

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A reader, Sue, in Washington state writes:

Both are true and connected. DE is almost pure silica (with some beneficial trace minerals); under a microscope, it looks like shards of glass (glass is made from silica). On any beetle-type insect that has a carapace, like fleas and cockroaches, the DE works under the shell and punctures the body, which then dehydrates and the insect dies. DE is totally nontoxic. There is no buildup of tolerance like there is to poisons because the method of killing is PHYSICAL, not chemical.

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One strange thing about diatomaceous earth is that for it to work on killing bugs, you have to keep it dry. Even morning dew can make diatomaceous earth ineffective.

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How safe is diatomaceous earth?
The only known problem for people, mammals and birds that I have ever been able to find any reference to is breathing it in. For food grade diatomaceous earth, there is only the bother of breathing in any dust. There exists another variety of diatomaceous earth that has been fiddled with so it can be used for pool filters. The pool grade stuff would be bad for you because it contains up to 70% “crystalline silica”. My understanding is that if you work with the pool grade stuff all day, every day, for years, you could get cancer. Don’t mess with the pool grade stuff. Food grade diatomaceous earth will contain less than 1% crystalline silica.

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Farmers feed food grade diatomaceous earth to their animals to reduce parasites and provide other benefits.

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dry preservation of legumes and corn
pin worms
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30 posted on 05/19/2012 5:35:50 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: djf

Don’t know what state you are in, but here due to the early warmth, the late cold, and maybe the great amount of water at the right time, our roses look and smell awesome this year. Usually they are eaten up by some sort of insect before they get so many blooms.


31 posted on 05/19/2012 5:38:26 PM PDT by madison10 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. TJ)
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To: djf

They’re all down here in Alabama.


32 posted on 05/19/2012 5:45:26 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: djf

Ladybugs LOVE aphids! Please do not kill them and they will RICHLY reward you my EATING and KILLING all Aphids! Plus they are pretty and kinda cute to look at.


33 posted on 05/19/2012 5:46:25 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: djf

"....they all went to the aphidtheater"

34 posted on 05/19/2012 5:48:03 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: djf
There is a place down in the valley near me that has a ton of wild dill growing, I could go and snag some of that. For some reason, ladybugs absolutely love dill and the plants are usually covered with them.

I don't know it for a fact but I suspect the ladybugs love dill because there are a lot of pest category bugs there. Better find out for sure before you bring home something you wish you hadn't.

35 posted on 05/19/2012 5:59:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: djf

Did your state or county agricultural dept do a mass lady bug release? Are you noticing more lady bugs? NC did this a few years ago and we had fewer aphids.


36 posted on 05/19/2012 6:03:54 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: djf

Nematoids.


37 posted on 05/19/2012 6:05:09 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live athrough it anyway)
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To: TigersEye

There is another type of plant around here, not sure what exactly, some odd kind of azalea or camelia and the ladybugs love to lay their cocoons on it. In the spring, the plants are crawling with ladybug larvae, they look like black-and-orange alligator bugs!


38 posted on 05/19/2012 6:05:32 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: JRandomFreeper; RegulatorCountry

Thanks for the info!

I’ve got good black soil that produces a great garden. Petunias? I am good with them until it gets too hot...but that may be partially my fault since I don’t pinch their little heads off.

Probably to late in the year to start this experiment...but I may give a couple of plants a try next spring.


39 posted on 05/19/2012 6:07:09 PM PDT by berdie
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To: djf

Enjoy it while you can.

We had no chiggers last summer in Texas, first time in my many decades of summers that I can remember not being chewed on. Didn’t even need OFF.

Why? It was so dry here there was no grass. Chiggers don’t live on bare ground or dead blades.

You’re probably just experiencing a temporary phenomenon.


40 posted on 05/19/2012 6:07:44 PM PDT by Jedidah ("In those days Israel had no king. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.")
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To: djf

41 posted on 05/19/2012 6:08:13 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: berdie
I think I paid 2.5 british pounds for the last batch of seeds I bought, including postage. There were hundreds of them in the packet.

/johnny

42 posted on 05/19/2012 6:10:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jedidah
It was so dry here there was no grass.

No kidding. It looked like my back yard had been nuked. Harshly.

/johnny

43 posted on 05/19/2012 6:12:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: djf
My best guess is an egg kill...at an extremely vulnerable time....likely within a small time frame.

Here in NY...our fruit trees have all been damaged because of erratic weather....a warm period enough to get the plants to a phase where they were vulnerable to a deep cold.

44 posted on 05/19/2012 6:16:06 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
I have found references where it is cited for colon cleansing, parasite control and detox.

Someone needs to spread this around the White House.

45 posted on 05/19/2012 6:16:56 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: berdie

If you can lay hands on some decent bedding plants it’s not too late, they haven’t been in the fields that long here. Not sure where you would come up with them though, even in a tobacco growing region. Everybody has their own tobacco beds that I’m aware. Never heard of anyone buying anything but seed for their own beds and then transplanting to the field.

You’ll probably have to start them yourself from seed, on your kitchen windowsill or something. That may push it into next year unless you have a long growing season. They don’t mind a little dry weather once established but do need rain. They will drown out and die if the soil remains waterlogged for very long. A good rain every couple of days interspersed with baking heat that dries the soil is ideal.


46 posted on 05/19/2012 6:18:36 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: JRandomFreeper

Easy cure for aphids that doesn’t involve pesticides. Mix some dish washing detergent with water and spray them. Works like a champ.


47 posted on 05/19/2012 6:21:17 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite
I do that, but my plants are so small (first batch got eaten by catapillars, this is the second batch) that I'm using a small paintbrush to paint on the soapy water, and brush the bugs off. Several times a day.

I'm not big on the thought of smoking pesticides.

/johnny

48 posted on 05/19/2012 6:25:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I've only grown from seed. Never saw a bedding plant that wasn't an ornamental nicotina. It only takes a couple of weeks/10 days to get them to sprout. And in my other place, they grew like gang-busters in the N.Texas weather. Here, not so much.

/johnny

49 posted on 05/19/2012 6:31:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
I have used Diatomaceous Earth for awhile now..

I started when I had been sick for 4 months with a weird cough/throat problem and found out it was due to the BP
refinery in Texas City Tx NOT fixing a major part.

This went on for 4 months and BP basically had no filter
on and major pollution was in the air.
This happened right about the same time of the gulf bp explosion...

Well I found out Diatomaceous Earth removes benzene and toxins so I gave it a try...
first yes it does get rid of worms and after about 7 months my throat stopped hurting...
there is silica in there so it really makes your hair and nails and bones stronger.....
after 1 year I had lost most of the pain I had and last month I fell from the truck flat on my back and thought I'm sure this will hurt,,,,,I never had any pain ...
for me it's a keeper

50 posted on 05/19/2012 6:35:29 PM PDT by freedommom
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