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Karl Rove: North Carolina and Indiana Are ‘Gone’ for Obama, Wisconsin a ‘Battleground’ State
The Blaze ^ | 5/20/2012 | Madeline Morgenstern

Posted on 05/20/2012 3:07:43 PM PDT by Signalman

Republican strategist Karl Rove said Friday he believes North Carolina and Indiana are “gone” for President Barack Obama in November and that Wisconsin has become a “battleground” state.

“I think North Carolina is gone just like Indiana is gone. Obama has no chance to win them,” Rove told Fox News host Bill O’Reilly. “I think Ohio and Florida are leaning today towards Romney. I think places like Iowa and Colorado are in danger of floating into the Republican column. And states like Nevada and Pennsylvania are moving from lean Democrat into toss-up category. And on June 5th, mark my words, we will have more poll data than we got today that is going to show that Wisconsin’s a battleground state.”


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To: Signalman

“Are you aware that electoral data are generally dynamic, not static and things can change?”

Then that explanation makes Rove sound even more inept. If he’s such a statistical electoral analyst - which he prides himself and sells himself to be - then he’s even more ridiculous to go on the record and utter any such proclamations to begin with. If the numbers are that malleable and flexible as you claim (which I don’t necessarily agree with), then if Rove doesn’t know that he’s an idiot. If he does know that and goes on the air and blabbers on about what an election result will bring today, which was different from he claimed yesterday it would bring (giving his profession all the certainty of a long range weather forecast) then it makes my point even more lucidly. Why should anyone listen to a single word he says? If today’s info is no more accurate a barometer of assessing what will happen tomorrow - why utter it, other than for reasons of pure vanity? How does it help his reputation by doing so if all of this is in the flux state you claim??? He’s a buffoon - but if what you say is true, then he’s a buffoon to an exponential power.


51 posted on 05/20/2012 4:45:41 PM PDT by antonico
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To: jessduntno

>> Why discourage enthusiasm because you don’t lke the guy? <<

“Because for some people, hatred is just plain ole FUN!”

Well, yeah, I reckon there is that...I just don’t see why the hell anyone would be helping the other side as “fun.”

Sounds like pulling wings off of flies territory to me, except the Marxist in Chief in the WH for four more very long years (not to mention the SCOTUS appointments that will curse us for decades) will likely kill off enough of us that we never come back. Just too GD serious to be horseshitting around.


Exactly!!!!!


52 posted on 05/20/2012 4:47:02 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Romney not my first choice, but he will win in a landslide. Gay marriage was the final nail

I agree that Romney will win big and that gay marriage will hurt the 'Rats.

But I don't think it will be the final nail.

Obama is a lousy President and a lousy campaigner. He is getting ever more desperate and is making ever more mistakes. As we get closer to November and the 'Rats see their power slipping away, they are going to pull some wild stuff that will really sink them.

53 posted on 05/20/2012 4:50:43 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: taildragger

I think all the passions are there for what you say to become reality.

If GOP & Independent turnout is massive, it will happen.

Obama’s polling among Independents is horrible. They need to get out and vote.


54 posted on 05/20/2012 4:51:44 PM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: Signalman

How does Rove enjoy a reputation as such a “seer?”

He insisted throughout Bush’s two terms that amnesty was a winner. He dedicated himself to ramming it through.

He has a tin ear for both what the people of this nation want, and what’s good for this nation.

Oh, and Karl? Amnesty didn’t pass. Despite your best efforts.

What is your skill set, exactly?


55 posted on 05/20/2012 4:52:13 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: jessduntno

You know. Don’t be coy.


56 posted on 05/20/2012 4:56:00 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: muawiyah
On the other hand, United States Postal Service.

See what I'm saying?

57 posted on 05/20/2012 4:58:24 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: muawiyah
We can avoid all of this if Romney will simply step aside and let ANYBODY ELSE in the race

Romney will not step aside. (Why would he?) And there is nobody else available to conservatives this year. (Who would it be?)

58 posted on 05/20/2012 4:59:18 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: unkus

Your problem be, you ain’t been bubblin’ and glistenin’ on em. YOU GOT TO BE BOVINE BUBBLIN’! You got to be bovine bubbling and glistening on em till you be doublin’ platinum. Platinum be doubling on cadmium. Platinum be bubblin’ and glistenin’ on em. Youe problem be, you ain’t been pushin’ no Bently’s like Steve Forbes be pushin. You pushing Mercedes. Pat Buchanan be pushin’ Mercedes, and he bubblin’ and glistenin’ on em. He doublin’ platinum by bubblin’ and glistenin’ on em. He doublin’ platinum by pushin’ Mercedes. Steve Forbes ain’t doubling platinum, he pushing Bently’s on em.


59 posted on 05/20/2012 4:59:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: so_real

Romney needs say nothing more about gay marriage.

He should just talk economic growth and national security and let the gays talk about their gay gayness.


60 posted on 05/20/2012 5:02:16 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

Guy still has a demonstrable long term support of 20% ~ almost anybody can beat that.


61 posted on 05/20/2012 5:03:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Signalman
Like it takes some kind of genius to see this?

Obama is going to be swept out of office.

62 posted on 05/20/2012 5:05:42 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Lazamataz

Your problem be, you ain’t been bubblin’ and glistenin’ on em. YOU GOT TO BE BOVINE BUBBLIN’! You got to be bovine bubbling and glistening on em till you be doublin’ platinum. Platinum be doubling on cadmium. Platinum be bubblin’ and glistenin’ on em. Youe problem be, you ain’t been pushin’ no Bently’s like Steve Forbes be pushin. You pushing Mercedes. Pat Buchanan be pushin’ Mercedes, and he bubblin’ and glistenin’ on em. He doublin’ platinum by bubblin’ and glistenin’ on em. He doublin’ platinum by pushin’ Mercedes. Steve Forbes ain’t doubling platinum, he pushing Bently’s on em.


Ohkay.


63 posted on 05/20/2012 5:06:25 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Lazamataz; Signalman

Rove and Morris are non-ideological technicians who whore themselves to whomever will give them money, fame and power.

But they are competent technicians who know their stuff.


64 posted on 05/20/2012 5:07:54 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: jessduntno
I just don’t see why the hell anyone would be helping the other side as “fun.”

I think the bottom line here is that there is a small but significant number of very vocal FReepers who think that Romney's Mormonism is a more worthy target for unrelenting opposition than Obama's leftism and corruption.

65 posted on 05/20/2012 5:09:28 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: unkus

When will you ever learn?


66 posted on 05/20/2012 5:09:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: rogue yam

Romney just can’t help himself. He has these big money guys who are really interested in Gay Marriage and if Romney wants to keep the big bucks flowing he has to show them he’s still interested in the lifestyle eh.


67 posted on 05/20/2012 5:10:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: spintreebob

I like you. I remember meeting you in Illinois.


68 posted on 05/20/2012 5:11:13 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Wait a minute. Romney himself INVENTED GAY MARRIAGE in Massachusetts.

So if Obama is FOR IT how does he get hurt if all he does is say "Hey, I'm for it" and he's campaigning against the guy who IMPOSED it on the innocent people of Massachusetts.

69 posted on 05/20/2012 5:14:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Leaning Right
Let me add one more thing to your description of Morris. His predictions are almost always wrong.

He called the Republican landslide in 2010 before anyone else.

70 posted on 05/20/2012 5:19:18 PM PDT by painter (Rebuild The America We love!)
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To: rogue yam

Romney needs say nothing more about gay marriage.

During the televised presidential debates when the liberal media takes a random youtube question from a homosexual marine, for example, what is Romney supposed to say ... "no comment"? Should he lie? Perhaps you think he can dance around the question? As soon as the crack appears, Obama will call him out on it and make him look the hypocritical fool. Wait for it; you'll see it *when* (not "if") it happens. He's lost the point months before the question has even been asked.


71 posted on 05/20/2012 5:23:10 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: daler

I agree with you. Minnesota is a state that admires and embraces socialism. Minnesota will remain blue for many years to come.


72 posted on 05/20/2012 5:25:13 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: so_real

All he has to do is say “I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.”


73 posted on 05/20/2012 5:36:43 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: muawiyah
Romney just can’t help himself. He has these big money guys who are really interested in Gay Marriage and if Romney wants to keep the big bucks flowing he has to show them he’s still interested in the lifestyle eh.

You are just making all of that up.

74 posted on 05/20/2012 5:38:17 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

You honestly believe he can say that in front of Obama, or any liberal news member for that matter, after signing so many gay marriage certificates of his own volition? In minutes he'll be wearing more egg on his face than the floor at an egg buffet on Sunday. It's not like his gay marriage history is any kind of secret, nor does it jive with any kind of conservative platform.


75 posted on 05/20/2012 5:48:34 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

All he has to say is that it is a state’s rights issue. End of story.


76 posted on 05/20/2012 5:55:10 PM PDT by Free America52 (The White guys are getting pissed off. We beat Hitler Hirohito and Krushchev. Obama will be easy.)
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To: rogue yam

http://www.google.com/#q=washingtonpost.com+romney+gay+donors&hl=en&prmd=imvns&ei=9pG5T5v5Dufq2QXEy6SvCQ&start=40&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7c140a4d85b96af4&biw=922&bih=456 ~ just the stories in the WarshPost go on forever on the subject. You get back a week or so and the Posties are naming gay names who donating millions to Romney pacs. I’m not sure why I would need to make any of this up.


77 posted on 05/20/2012 5:55:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Blue Ink

How does Rove enjoy a reputation as such a “seer?”

I always thought that Rove reminded me of Mr. McGoo. He can’t see the road ahead.


78 posted on 05/20/2012 5:56:29 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Signalman

I would trust Rove’s predictions in regards to elections much higher than Dick Morris. Hope he’s spot on with it.


79 posted on 05/20/2012 6:15:30 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Free America52

I think you are on to the tack he'll be forced to take ... My point is that he will be unable to avoid it and the damage it brings him. To you it may be the "end of story"; and the 22'ish% of republicans Romney consistently carries will be on board as well. But the remainder will be faced with a challenge of conscience; the resolution of which will not consistently fall in Romney's favor.


80 posted on 05/20/2012 6:15:40 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Signalman.


81 posted on 05/20/2012 6:16:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Signalman

Rove might be right...until Romney’s support for gay marriage in Massachusetts comes out. That puts the issue in doubt. In any case, the world would be a better place if Rove would kindly stomp on a land mine.


82 posted on 05/20/2012 6:24:47 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: so_real
Barry Goldwater had MORE than 22% of the Republican base behind him, as did Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, George Bush, Bob Dole and John McCain.

They all lost.

I don't think there's ever been a Republican win the Presidency with just 22% of the base behind him at the end of the primary campaigns.

Ronald Reagan had about 80% of the Republican base behind him, but NOT the GOP-e ~ and HE WON! Nixon had fantastic Republican support for his two big wins, as did George Bush when he ran and won (both of them).

83 posted on 05/20/2012 6:32:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Keep FR Running
Let's get to Yellow!

84 posted on 05/20/2012 6:47:28 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: rogue yam

You mean that there are folks who hate a bastardized ‘’Christian’’, with a somewhat twisted view of salvation, more than a Marxist, atheist, America hating, Satan fellating POS?
Nawwwww........couldn’t be. That’d downright stupid, shortsighted and juvenile.


85 posted on 05/20/2012 6:53:46 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: so_real
You honestly believe he can say that in front of Obama...

Yes I do. I think he can easily say that and I think it's crazy to believe otherwise.

86 posted on 05/20/2012 7:13:54 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: painter
He called the Republican landslide in 2010 before anyone else.

Morris also said that the GOP would take the Senate by a comfortable margin. Sometimes I think Morris makes those predictions not because he believes in them, but because it's what Fox viewers want to hear.

But I will confess to one thing. I usually enjoy listening to what Morris has to say. But I take it with a grain of salt.

87 posted on 05/20/2012 7:21:33 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: GenXteacher
...until Romney’s support for gay marriage in Massachusetts comes out.

The only people who will ever talk about that are a small number of self-conceived "Christians" who hate Mormonism so much that it has them trying to re-elect Obama.

88 posted on 05/20/2012 7:21:35 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: so_real
My point is that he will be unable to avoid it and the damage it brings him.

You will do everything you can to create that damage and I will do what I can to stop you.

89 posted on 05/20/2012 7:23:48 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Thumper1960
That’d downright stupid, shortsighted and juvenile.

It is all of those things and worse which is why I'm trying to put the kibosh on it.

90 posted on 05/20/2012 7:28:14 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

Strategy has not been a FReeper strong suite in years. Of course, neither has humility or tactical comprehension of the Marxist’s ‘’long view of history’’.


91 posted on 05/20/2012 7:33:38 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: rogue yam

Strategy has not been a FReeper strong suite in years. Of course, neither has humility or tactical comprehension of the Marxist’s ‘’long view of history’’.


92 posted on 05/20/2012 7:34:56 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Thumper1960

I agree. The commies wear us down constantly all across society like termites or water, and “conservatives” sit around dreaming of knights on white horses.


93 posted on 05/20/2012 7:48:52 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

Martyrs for a cause.
No army is coming over the hill in the nick of time. No final conflict will unleash the apocalypse and usher in a battle between the Sons of Light and the forces of darkness. There isn.t going to be a Hollyweird melodramatic ending where Mr. Smith really does change the nation and Foggy Bottom. It’s going to be simple mudslogging, day in/day out drudgery, the gray boredom of political governance.


94 posted on 05/20/2012 8:12:38 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Signalman
Probably because most freepers are disgusted with the republican party bigwigs who have forced Romney down our throats.

Betrayal after betrayal of the party base by the elite and getting to watch it daily from people like Rove and Morris have left most of us sick to death of the whole mess this year.

If Romney wins it will be without a huge chunk of the disgusted GOP base and because Obama stinks so badly dems will vote republican not because Romney is a good candidate.

The real drama the GOP has not factored in is the real possibility a 3rd party wises up and decides to become a real player and runs on the old Republican conservative platform, makes Romney out to be a dem in his voting and leadership, and puts up a real conservative Republican as their candidate.

The only thing the GOP has going for it at the moment is the total disgust at the other party's candidate and that is a real iffy prospect in the long run. No enthusiasm from your base means less foot soldiers and money and the prospect of them being easily picked off by another party.....THE STUPID PARTY BEING VERY STUPID once again. This was a sure thing coattail year if they had put up a conservative and now they are living off the other guy being more hated....not smart. The whole thing is disgusting to watch.

95 posted on 05/20/2012 8:14:09 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: rogue yam
The only people who will ever talk about that are a small number of self-conceived "Christians" who hate Mormonism so much that it has them trying to re-elect Obama.

Sometimes I wonder where people's line in the sand is. With Romney you not only have a cult memeber but a high tax, pro-gov. controlled health care, pro-gay, anti-life, anti-gun, big spender.

YOU HAVE A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT...and you are worried about changing a few Christians minds because you want someone who falsely puts Republican in front of his name in the white house?

Sorry but maybe some people are actually thinking that he will hurt the party more in the long term with him in office.

Like I said earlier....totally disgusted.... for the first time since I could vote 30 years ago I will not be voting for president because the choices are a communist or a democrat cultist. My line in the sand has been crossed...

96 posted on 05/20/2012 8:27:13 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: comebacknewt

“If Romney wins two out of Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico, then everything else falls in place for him to win it. If he doesn’t, then the Kenyan gets his second term.”

Of these three states, I think Romney’s only chance will be Nevada, where he will edge out Obama with the help of the “Mormon vote”.

New Mexico is now a “white minority” state and it’s going to be increasingly difficult for Republicans to win there. I don’t believe Romney can pull this one off.

Colorado is rapidly becoming the “California of the Rockies”. Obama’s going to squeak out a victory there.

The important states this time around will be Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, and perhaps even little New Hampshire. Romney needs all of them to win.

However, if Scott Walker can “flip” Wisconsin to Romney, it will change things completely. That’s a tough call, but right now Mr. Walker seems to be the toughest man in American politics — it’s within the realm of possibility.


97 posted on 05/20/2012 8:31:04 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: Signalman

I’ve got news for you: North Carolina and Indiana are the reddest of purple states. In any normal election, they along with Virginia should be in the Republican column.

The real battle grounds lie in the states they always do: Ohio, Florida, Missouri and Pennsylvania. The guy who takes at least three of four of those states wins — as has been the case in every election since 1960.


98 posted on 05/20/2012 8:57:02 PM PDT by NYRepublican72
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To: daler

That is because their favorite Son was running Fritz was running in 1984 and was Carters running mate in 1980!


99 posted on 05/20/2012 10:29:21 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Signalman; All
The more guys like Rove and Dick Morris predict a win for the GOP, the more FReepers seem to dislike them. I don’t get it.

Some FReepers have short memories. Remember this in November 2006?

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100 posted on 05/20/2012 10:53:34 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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