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“My son screamed for his mother for what seemed like an eternity”
Reason ^ | May 20, 2012 | Mike Riggs

Posted on 05/21/2012 7:31:52 AM PDT by Altariel

At 5:30 a.m. on May 10, armed men broke into the bedroom of Kirk Kyle Farrar’s 12 year-old daughter and shook her awake. The men led her downstairs at gunpoint and forced her to lie on the floor next to her mother and father, with her hands behind her head. Another armed man took Farrar’s two-year-old son from his crib, and would not let his parents hold him. “My son screamed for his mother for what seemed like an eternity,” Farrar wrote in an email to friends, obtained by Reason. “I will never forget the hopeless feeling of not being able to comfort my son or daughter.”

The armed men who broke into Farrar’s home were officers with the Meridian, Idaho, Police Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration. They were executing a federal warrant for Farrar’s arrest for the crime of selling bongs.

Farrar’s wasn’t the only family traumatized that morning. Agents from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the U.S. Marshals Service, the Idaho National Guard, and four Idaho police departments raided the homes of 13 other headshop owners and employees on May 10. All of the headshops had their inventory seized. One shop lost more than $80,000 worth of merchandise (bongs and pipes marketed as “tobacco water pipes”). Another headshop owner had his and and his employees' vehicles seized.

The investigation into these 13 shops and their employees (two of which are still at large) for selling drug paraphernalia was led by U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson, a Barack Obama appointee. Nine of the shops were also accused of selling "spice," a synthetic alternative to the prohibited and significantly safer drug marijuana.

In his email, Farrar denies selling spice. "Piece of Mind Boise has never carried these products EVER! We made a commitment from the start not to carry it because we believe it is dangerous and not being used in a legal fashion."

He also notes that his cousin, "[who] has never previously committed a crime and has absolutely no criminal record," has been charged with "with 4 Federal felony charges stemming from selling tobacco products."

“The open sale of drug paraphernalia promotes unlawful drug use and helps drug traffickers thrive,” Olson said at a press conference on May 10. “These indictments show federal, state and local law enforcement partners will attack drug trafficking on all fronts.”

During a speech at the Center for American Progress earlier this month, Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske said that the law enforcement-only approach to America's drug problem was not "humane, compassionate" or "realistic." He also said that the Obama administration does not believe it can "arrest its way out of the drug problem."

Reason spoke to one headshop owner. At his attorney’s behest, this owner declined to go on the record, but did say that local police had been aware of the store’s existence and sales of glass pipes for years, but had never threatened charges or discouraged the business from operating. The owner believes that the raids came at the behest of federal law enforcement officials.

According to the Idaho Statesman, “the DEA, Idaho National Guard, IRS and the U.S. Marshals and Attorney’s offices worked on the case,” which the agencies built over the course of an entire year.

As if more evidence were needed that President Obama's drug war looks a lot like George W. Bush's: The charges against Farrar and the other Idaho headshop owners are reminiscent of the federal prosecution of actor Tommy Chong under Bush's DOJ. Chong was convicted in 2003 for distributing paraphernalia through his company Nice Dreams Enterprises. Chong was fined $20,000, and made to forfeit his domain name, all of his inventory, and $103,514 in cash.


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KEYWORDS: bongs; dea; donutwatch; drugs; idaho; idahonationalguard; illegaldrugs; irs; usmarshals; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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To: bluetick

“shall not be infringed” is clear but politicians and demagogues have used fear to induce Americans into state slavery;for what is slavery but having to ask permission for everything you want to do?


101 posted on 05/21/2012 9:50:55 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: caww

Don’t worry, the same justification will one day be used against you.

You should have known that the state did not approve of you riding motorcycles—it is justifiable for the State to shoot your children. You should have known better.

You should have known that the state did not approve of you spreading butter on your toast this morning. The State must police (literally) the health of its citizens, Comrade!

I daresay that if our ancestors even 100 years ago had Free Republic, none of them would be defending this today—if they had been told about it, they would have been up in arms already. Not because they were drug supporters or drug users (necessarily)—but because they understood the dangers of the government hydra and took it more seriously than too many do today.


102 posted on 05/21/2012 9:52:35 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: caww

“You own fire arms you have a respossibility to make them legal.”

I have a responsibility to “make them legal”?!?

I have a Constitutional right to own them, it’s the legislators’ responsibility to make them legal!


103 posted on 05/21/2012 9:52:57 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: caww

Don’t worry, the same justification will one day be used against you.

You should have known that the state did not approve of you riding motorcycles—it is justifiable for the State to shoot your children. You should have known better.

You should have known that the state did not approve of you spreading butter on your toast this morning. The State must police (literally) the health of its citizens, Comrade!

I daresay that if our ancestors even 100 years ago had Free Republic, none of them would think this could ever happen in a free nation.

Certainly none of them would be defending this today—if they had been given a glimpse into their descendants future. They would have been up in arms already. Not because they were drug supporters or drug users (necessarily)—but because they understood the dangers of the government hydra and took it more seriously than too many do today.


104 posted on 05/21/2012 9:53:47 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: caww

Oh, I did start at the beginning of the thread. I just disagree that children should ever be be placed in harms way at the gunpoint of government thugs for the dastardly deed of selling some pipes.


105 posted on 05/21/2012 9:57:13 AM PDT by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: Boogieman
I have a Constitutional right to own them, it’s the legislators’ responsibility to make them legal!

Well so far I'd say that's working for you. But I wouldn't put a lot of weight in the Constitutional rights we have under this administration...nor the governance that we are under. The Constitution is not what this leadership nor our Congress operates under when they determine to do otherwise.

106 posted on 05/21/2012 9:58:31 AM PDT by caww
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To: Dutchboy88
Go to Mexico where you can run with the cartels unmolested. That's what no law enforcement looks like.

Go to North Korea where you can get your jollies terrorizing any ordinary citizen for any reason whatsoever. That's what a police state looks like.

107 posted on 05/21/2012 9:59:56 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Dutchboy88
Go to Mexico where you can run with the cartels unmolested. That's what no law enforcement looks like.

Go to North Korea where you can get your jollies terrorizing any ordinary citizen for any reason whatsoever. That's what a police state looks like.

108 posted on 05/21/2012 10:00:29 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Altariel
...thugs.

109 posted on 05/21/2012 10:09:10 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA. DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: bluetick
I just disagree that children should ever be be placed in harms way at the gunpoint of government thugs for the dastardly deed of selling some pipes.

This was far more than one business and or that of selling pipes. Read the article again.

The guy put his family in harms way by his choices to deal in this stuff...and his association with others likewise. Thereby he put his children in danger. Furthermore 12 year old kids today are not the kids once were....especially in the drug trade where they are often used by their family's.

I have no problem with them taking down a 12 year old...For example, in a survey of 18,348 middle and high school students from Maryland, 7% of 6th graders 14% of 8th graders, and 24% of 10th graders reported being asked to sell drugs.

In Washington, DC, 12% of boys and 3% of girls in grades 6 and 7 were asked to sell drugs and 20% of boys and 7% of girls in grades 7 and 8 were asked to sell drugs.

It's no secret they go after the kids to assist in what they do.

110 posted on 05/21/2012 10:11:37 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Key is the "IF" in your statement.

Irrelevant argument. The post of Altariel's to which you were responding was predicated on them being banned (go back and read it again), and therefore your response should be assumed to be based on that as well.

111 posted on 05/21/2012 10:11:37 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (A conservative voting for Romney is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders)
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To: taxcontrol; wtd
A hookah is a water pipe, a bong has a hole in the body that you cover while filling the body with smoke, then you open it and inhale the stuff. The hole can be called hole, or carburetor

I looked into this for the Tommy Chong case.

IF your hookah has a hole for ventilation it is a "bong" and the feds will shoot your dog and terrorize your kids. A hookah bar that has no hole in their hookahs is OK, open a commercial storefront. This distinction is NOT spelled out well in the Controlled Substances Act. The feds seem to think that the presence of that hole means that the pipe is INTENDED to be used with illegal substances, because your traditional tobacco water pipe historically NEVER had a carbeuration hole.

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authorities.

(d) "Drug paraphernalia'' defined

The term "drug paraphernalia'' means any equipment, product, or material of any kind which is primarily intended or designed for use in manufacturing, compounding, converting, concealing, producing, processing, preparing, injecting, ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing into the human body a controlled substance, possession of which is unlawful under this subchapter. It includes items primarily intended or designed for use in ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing marijuana,\1\ cocaine, hashish, hashish oil, PCP, methamphetamine, or amphetamines into the human body, such as--

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\1\ So in original. Probably should be "marihuana,''.

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(1) metal, wooden, acrylic, glass, stone, plastic, or ceramic pipes with or without screens, permanent screens, hashish heads, or punctured metal bowls;

(2) water pipes;

(3) carburetion tubes and devices;

(4) smoking and carburetion masks;

(5) roach clips: meaning objects used to hold burning material, such as a marihuana cigarette, that has become too small or too short to be held in the hand;

(6) miniature spoons with level capacities of one-tenth cubic centimeter or less;

(7) chamber pipes;

(8) carburetor pipes;

(9) electric pipes;

(10) air-driven pipes;

(11) chillums;

(12) bongs;

(13) ice pipes or chillers;

(14) wired cigarette papers; or

(15) cocaine freebase kits.

(e) Matters considered in determination of what constitutes drug paraphernalia

In determining whether an item constitutes drug paraphernalia, in addition to all other logically relevant factors, the following may be considered:

(1) instructions, oral or written, provided with the item concerning its use;

(2) descriptive materials accompanying the item which explain or depict its use;

(3) national and local advertising concerning its use;

(4) the manner in which the item is displayed for sale;

(5) whether the owner, or anyone in control of the item, is a legitimate supplier of like or related items to the community, such as a licensed distributor or dealer of tobacco products;

(6) direct or circumstantial evidence of the ratio of sales of the item(s) to the total sales of the business enterprise;

(7) the existence and scope of legitimate uses of the item in the community; and

(8) expert testimony concerning its use.

(f) Exemptions

This section shall not apply to--

(1) any person authorized by local, State, or Federal law to manufacture, possess, or distribute such items; or

(2) any item that, in the normal lawful course of business, is imported, exported, transported, or sold through the mail or by any other means, and traditionally intended for use with tobacco products, including any pipe, paper, or accessory.


112 posted on 05/21/2012 10:18:11 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I answered accordingly....firearms to date are Not banned....the statement was “if” they were....should that one day be the case then the equation changes...and each will risk the outcome by concealing them of “storm troopers” crashing down their doors. It is how it is done now. Obviously so, you break the laws the consequences will and do come...and the risk with it.

As said before...I understand the arguements for our right to defend our homes and familys under the constitution....but this situation was and is not a constitutional issue...it was a drug bust...and that is how it’s done regardless if we like it or not.


113 posted on 05/21/2012 10:21:39 AM PDT by caww
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I answered accordingly....firearms to date are Not banned....the statement was “if” they were....should that one day be the case then the equation changes...and each will risk the outcome by concealing them of “storm troopers” crashing down their doors. It is how it is done now. Obviously so, you break the laws the consequences will and do come...and the risk with it.

As said before...I understand the arguements for our right to defend our homes and familys under the constitution....but this situation was and is not a constitutional issue...it was a drug bust...and that is how it’s done regardless if we like it or not.


114 posted on 05/21/2012 10:22:03 AM PDT by caww
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To: DBrow

In the first couple hundred years of this nation,that is in the time it was a mostly free Republic,tobacco selling didn’t need a special license.

Statists want you to have to have their permission for evey action,or lack of action.


115 posted on 05/21/2012 10:24:27 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Dutchboy88
When austerity hits this country for real, drug war pricks are going under the bus. Big time. It's all right, though. They can always find work as bouncers at some of the seedier establishments.

BTW, your pensions are NOT sacrosanct. Dwell on that.

116 posted on 05/21/2012 10:31:12 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: hoosierham

I want to ask the worshipers at the alter of Statism.

“When the solution to any problem is another government program and more government spending, what is the solution to too much government?”


117 posted on 05/21/2012 10:39:32 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: caww
I have no problem with them taking down a 12 year old...For example, in a survey of 18,348 middle and high school students from Maryland, 7% of 6th graders 14% of 8th graders, and 24% of 10th graders reported being asked to sell drugs.

So because SOME 12-year-olds have been ASKED to sell drugs, it's OK to point a gun at a bong-seller's 12-year-old child?!

118 posted on 05/21/2012 10:48:58 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: caww

It is a constitutional issue-—it is an issue which some here have ceded to the statists, but it is a constitutional issue nonetheless.

I find it very disturbing that you believe it is justifiable to threaten to murder a 2 year old or 12 year old based on what the State accuses the parents of doing.

Tyrannies always begin with Good Causes, and the hydra grows with each new family it devours.

Its ever-hungry eye will fall upon you and yours one day.


119 posted on 05/21/2012 10:58:01 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: caww

My initial reaction to that is “Wow”.

I’ll go back and read the article again if you’ll promise to read the Constitution for us.


120 posted on 05/21/2012 10:59:05 AM PDT by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: listenhillary

I doubt you’ll get a response; they’re still pretending that if they feed the Government Hydra enough victims, they will be spared from its unquenchable hunger one day.


121 posted on 05/21/2012 10:59:48 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: caww

“The Constitution is not what this leadership nor our Congress operates under when they determine to do otherwise.”

Which is even more reason not to defend the increasing militarization of our police forces and the use of the “drug war” to justify it.


122 posted on 05/21/2012 11:25:49 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: listenhillary

123 posted on 05/21/2012 11:28:46 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Max in Utah

Go to college and learn how to hit the post key just once.


124 posted on 05/21/2012 12:09:53 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Ken H
"BTW, your pensions are NOT sacrosanct. Dwell on that."

As a self-employed individual I don't have a fat pension awaiting. But, that is fine with me. It still doesn't change the fact that we are safer here than anywhere in the world thanks to the "thugs" who push back on law-breakers. I'd much rather have the possibility of them erring than your version of cartels running the show. Go join the Zapatas...they'll teach you a thing about "under the bus.".

125 posted on 05/21/2012 12:17:27 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Oh yes, we definitely need to be kept safe from two year old boys and twelve year old girls.

You forgot to sacrifice a fattened heifer to the State this morning to praise them for protecting you from children.


126 posted on 05/21/2012 12:49:04 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Dutchboy88
As a self-employed individual I don't have a fat pension awaiting. But, that is fine with me. It still doesn't change the fact that we are safer here than anywhere in the world...

Actually, you're safer in the Netherlands. Their murder rate is about 1/3 of ours. I'd rather walk unarmed through Amsterdam at night than just about any US city.

...thanks to the "thugs" who push back on law-breakers.

If you're in a safe area, thank demographics instead. Otherwise, explain what the San Jose police are doing right to have such low crime and what the Detroit police are doing wrong.

I'd much rather have the possibility of them erring than your version of cartels running the show. Go join the Zapatas...they'll teach you a thing about "under the bus.".

Prohibition is what fuels organized crime. Always has, always will. Your drug war has been an epic failure. You may not like it, but it's going under the bus.

127 posted on 05/21/2012 12:49:41 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Altariel
"Do you feel pangs of guilt because you too, have threatened to murder children? Have you seen too many tear-stained faces of the young look at you in fear and horror?"

Please...are you on the Trayvon Martin cheer leading squad? Peddle your bleeding heart trash somewhere else.

I am not, and never have been, a peace officer. But, I completely support their efforts to keep your sorry butt safe and protected, even if you don't. They, unfortunately, are standing on the wall for you while you complain with spurious arguments of "civil rights". Barf Alert.

128 posted on 05/21/2012 12:53:34 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

I am not protected when children are threatened with death.

“Protection” does not mean “See these weapons? We will shoot these children”.

That is thuggery, not protection.

Did you remember to recite the morning’s pledge?

Slavery is Freedom.

Freedom is slavery.

Praise the State!

Never question her glorious agents!


129 posted on 05/21/2012 12:56:31 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Texas resident

“The feds won’t take on the heavily armed narco gangs in our country, but they will go nuts on a head shop guy.”

Naturally not.

Children don’t resist.

Heavily armed narco gangs—why, they might shoot back at the Agents of the State!


130 posted on 05/21/2012 12:57:49 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Ken H
"Actually, you're safer in the Netherlands. Their murder rate is about 1/3 of ours. I'd rather walk unarmed through Amsterdam at night than just about any US city."

Now there is an educated observation. The drug park of Amsterdam got so out of control, even the Dutch have changed their minds about enforcement. So, go walk around Amsterdam at night instead of, say, Chandler, AZ and see if you notice any difference. Be sure to do Chandler first, since you won't likely be alive after the Amsterdam visit. The rational thinkers here are saying "thanks" to the men/women in blue.

131 posted on 05/21/2012 1:04:15 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Altariel

Your Che Guevara t-shirt is in the mail. And, your passport is waiting to be stamped...goodbye.


132 posted on 05/21/2012 1:06:22 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
The Dutch police must really be cracking heads!

Record low murder rate once again

2 January 2008

AMSTERDAM - 147 murders were committed in the Netherlands last year, one fewer than in 2006 and therefore a record low, according to the annual report from Elsevier.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Record-low-murder-rate-once-again_1276.html

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Let's look at Amsterdam:

"In Amsterdam the number of murders decreased from 32 in 2009 to 16 in 2010..."

http://www.denhaag.nl/de/to/Population-of-The-Hague-rising.htm

With a population of 730,000, that works out to a murder rate of 2.2/100,000. For comparison, San Jose is one of the safest cities in the US. According to city-data.com, its murder rate for 2009 was 2.9/100,000.

133 posted on 05/21/2012 1:20:54 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Boogieman
Which is even more reason not to defend the increasing militarization of our police forces and the use of the “drug war” to justify it.

Fine then...be so kind to explain just 'how' we the people are going to stop that?...Do you think that writing comments on any web sites are going to change the trajectory this nation is on?.... Just how are you going to change it? Crying about our Constitutional Rights has certainly not been effective.....marching to Washington in droves hasn't....calling and voting obviously hasn't..... So you tell me how this beast that penetrated deeply into Washington and all places of governance throughout our nation is going to be irradicated from it's stronghold?

We have been doing the same dance for years and todays political environment attests to the fact it's not working. So yes...tell me how this is going to be any different then the direction this nation is going?....8 more years before even an opportunity to change this thru the system we have.

Both Presidential candidates certainly aren't....out Congress has more than reached across the aisle, they married one another. The "People"

134 posted on 05/21/2012 1:33:50 PM PDT by caww
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To: Dutchboy88

You must mean your shirt; I do not believe that pulling a two year olds from his crib and threatening to murder him, and forcing a twelve year old from her bed and threatening to murder her, are legitimate functions of ANY government lackey.

Che Guevara, like you, would justify the practice.

Don’t worry, Comrade; the State will preserve you from dangerous children.

Next time, they may even shoot the children, so you can sleep better at night, knowing how Safe the State keeps you.


135 posted on 05/21/2012 1:50:14 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Ken H

By all means move to Amsterdam. We will be happier without you...and you will be safely surrounded with all of your drug-loving buddies.


136 posted on 05/21/2012 1:53:33 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Altariel

You are the anarchist who envisions a new state, free from control and oppression of the “man”. That sounds like Che to me. But, then that is because I have a normal view of history not the psyco-babble you and your cronies have been taught. Please, go where you find the “freedom” you seek.


137 posted on 05/21/2012 2:02:07 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Kids are not only asked to sell drugs...they DO it, and are used by the bums who had them in the first place. So don't tell me about the innocence of 12 year olds today....they know more about the street and world then most of their parents. There are few if any "innocent" 12 year olds today.

Kids today have zero respect for anyone, including themselves....In recent years, the average age for first arrest has dropped significantly, and younger boys and girls are committing crimes. Between 60-80% percent of adolescents, and pre-adolescents engage in some form of juvenile offense... .

So yes in a drug raid I would suspect a 12 year old to be taken down.

138 posted on 05/21/2012 2:07:35 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Sooooo... Being the 12 year old child of a water pipe seller serves as prima facie evidence for federal agents to uproot you from bed in the middle of the night and threaten you at gunpoint.

Yeah. That sounds totally legit to me.


141 posted on 05/21/2012 2:23:51 PM PDT by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: bluetick

There should be some sort of prize for that. Slow moving 3G connection tricks me again.


142 posted on 05/21/2012 2:26:18 PM PDT by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: Dutchboy88

Che Guevara was a statist.

Che Guevara, were he a police officer, would have shot those children, just to enjoy watching them die.

And you would have praised him for keeping you safe.

It is you who is outraged when other Freepers dare condemn Agents of the State for threatening to murder children.

That is the attitude of someone who believes the State (and her agents) can do No Wrong.

It is not the attitude of a true conservative Freeper.

Remember: the actions you defend today will be repeated tomorrow.

If you “reward” the government for threatening to murder children today, you embolden it to kill them tomorrow.

Those who think the Police can do No Wrong enable a future Police State, the same way that parents who suppose little Johnny or Susie can do no wrong enable future delinquents and liberals.

Will your cheerleading of the State stop when children are raped to intimidate their parents?

How about murdered? How many little children will die before you refuse to defend the Agents of the State when they do wrong?


143 posted on 05/21/2012 2:27:37 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Dutchboy88
By all means move to Amsterdam. We will be happier without you...and you will be safely surrounded with all of your drug-loving buddies.

Your crime theory gets shot all to hell and that's the best you can do?

144 posted on 05/21/2012 2:31:01 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: bluetick

It was a drug bust along with 13 other locations....look it up and learn.......sheesh! Let it rest because you’ll never get the point...though it’s been explained many times now.


145 posted on 05/21/2012 3:02:23 PM PDT by caww
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To: Dutchboy88
Now there is an educated observation. The drug park of Amsterdam

Amsterdam never had a drug park. Educated observation indeed.

146 posted on 05/21/2012 3:15:03 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: bluetick
Sooooo... Being the 12 year old child of a water pipe seller serves as prima facie evidence for federal agents to uproot you from bed in the middle of the night and threaten you at gunpoint.

Some people just love the taste of boot polish.

147 posted on 05/21/2012 3:16:20 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: caww

Huh? I have to be the one to come up with the “master plan” to save America, otherwise there is no point to objecting to the objectionable? That doesn’t make sense.

We’ve still got freedom of speech in America, and I intend to use it to express my opinions, as long as I can. Maybe that will help shape a few other peoples’ opinions, maybe not. What I’m not going to do is just acqueiesce to thuggery because speaking out about it doesn’t immediately stop it.


148 posted on 05/21/2012 3:48:49 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: caww
So yes in a drug raid I would suspect a 12 year old to be taken down.

You are either being sarcastic or you need to be fitted with a straightjacket.
149 posted on 05/21/2012 4:53:20 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Dutchboy88
And, yes, we support pointing loaded weapons at tired, frightened children who are in the presence of armed, deranged, drug-peddling monsters who destroy America.

Anyone who points guns in the faces of tired and frightened children is a coward. And anyone who supports such actions is cowardly scum. The context is irrelevant.
150 posted on 05/21/2012 5:14:27 PM PDT by microgood
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