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“My son screamed for his mother for what seemed like an eternity”
Reason ^ | May 20, 2012 | Mike Riggs

Posted on 05/21/2012 7:31:52 AM PDT by Altariel

At 5:30 a.m. on May 10, armed men broke into the bedroom of Kirk Kyle Farrar’s 12 year-old daughter and shook her awake. The men led her downstairs at gunpoint and forced her to lie on the floor next to her mother and father, with her hands behind her head. Another armed man took Farrar’s two-year-old son from his crib, and would not let his parents hold him. “My son screamed for his mother for what seemed like an eternity,” Farrar wrote in an email to friends, obtained by Reason. “I will never forget the hopeless feeling of not being able to comfort my son or daughter.”

The armed men who broke into Farrar’s home were officers with the Meridian, Idaho, Police Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration. They were executing a federal warrant for Farrar’s arrest for the crime of selling bongs.

Farrar’s wasn’t the only family traumatized that morning. Agents from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the U.S. Marshals Service, the Idaho National Guard, and four Idaho police departments raided the homes of 13 other headshop owners and employees on May 10. All of the headshops had their inventory seized. One shop lost more than $80,000 worth of merchandise (bongs and pipes marketed as “tobacco water pipes”). Another headshop owner had his and and his employees' vehicles seized.

The investigation into these 13 shops and their employees (two of which are still at large) for selling drug paraphernalia was led by U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson, a Barack Obama appointee. Nine of the shops were also accused of selling "spice," a synthetic alternative to the prohibited and significantly safer drug marijuana.

In his email, Farrar denies selling spice. "Piece of Mind Boise has never carried these products EVER! We made a commitment from the start not to carry it because we believe it is dangerous and not being used in a legal fashion."

He also notes that his cousin, "[who] has never previously committed a crime and has absolutely no criminal record," has been charged with "with 4 Federal felony charges stemming from selling tobacco products."

“The open sale of drug paraphernalia promotes unlawful drug use and helps drug traffickers thrive,” Olson said at a press conference on May 10. “These indictments show federal, state and local law enforcement partners will attack drug trafficking on all fronts.”

During a speech at the Center for American Progress earlier this month, Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske said that the law enforcement-only approach to America's drug problem was not "humane, compassionate" or "realistic." He also said that the Obama administration does not believe it can "arrest its way out of the drug problem."

Reason spoke to one headshop owner. At his attorney’s behest, this owner declined to go on the record, but did say that local police had been aware of the store’s existence and sales of glass pipes for years, but had never threatened charges or discouraged the business from operating. The owner believes that the raids came at the behest of federal law enforcement officials.

According to the Idaho Statesman, “the DEA, Idaho National Guard, IRS and the U.S. Marshals and Attorney’s offices worked on the case,” which the agencies built over the course of an entire year.

As if more evidence were needed that President Obama's drug war looks a lot like George W. Bush's: The charges against Farrar and the other Idaho headshop owners are reminiscent of the federal prosecution of actor Tommy Chong under Bush's DOJ. Chong was convicted in 2003 for distributing paraphernalia through his company Nice Dreams Enterprises. Chong was fined $20,000, and made to forfeit his domain name, all of his inventory, and $103,514 in cash.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bongs; dea; donutwatch; drugs; idaho; idahonationalguard; illegaldrugs; irs; usmarshals; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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151 posted on 05/21/2012 6:02:58 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: microgood

As mentioned before...it was a drug bust...12 year old was told to lay down on the floor next to his parents...I see no problem with officers demanding that. None.

As also mentioned... you guys that think these parents weren’t aware of the risk to their children by riding the line with the drug paraphnalia they were selling, along with hanging with those distributing drugs have your heads in the sand..........It was a drug bust of 13 locations....any parent willingly involving themselves with that crowd automatically endanger their children to whatever consequences may or may not come.


152 posted on 05/21/2012 6:21:55 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
As mentioned before...it was a drug bust...12 year old was told to lay down on the floor next to his parents...I see no problem with officers demanding that. None.

No it wasn't. I was a head shop bust - these guys were selling bongs.

..........It was a drug bust of 13 locations....any parent willingly involving themselves with that crowd automatically endanger their children to whatever consequences may or may not come.

They were busting all the head shops in the area. Most of these people probably did not even know each other.

This was a political show bust, designed to make headlines in an election year. Most of these people will probably walk, but after the election.

If you think it is OK to stick guns in children's faces and accusing them of being drug dealers with no evidence to back you up, then there is something really wrong with you. If so, you obviously have no problem with them coming to your house accidentally and terrorizing your children as well.
153 posted on 05/21/2012 6:38:38 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

“the DEA, Idaho National Guard, IRS and the U.S. Marshals and Attorney’s offices worked on the case,”... which the agencies ‘built over the course of an entire year’...repeat it was built for over a year....13 Locations were involved ....this was not a small operation by any means. ..nor spur of the moment. It was investigated and planned for.

So now you and others are trying to convince us that this was simply a matter of selling bongs??? I don’t think so. They aren’t going in with that kind of force, nor that length of investigative time, without having some hard evidence something more than selling bongs is going on..

Further the parents of these kids knew the risk....knew they were committing crimes and are thus the ones responsible for putting their kids in these situations from the get go.

It really isn’t that difficultt..... Abide by the law..Don’t sell dope.... Take care of your family. .... You go the other direction that makes the parents culpable?... ‘most defintely’.... Regardless of your personal feelings, the law is the law, breaking it has consequences.


154 posted on 05/21/2012 6:53:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: Boogieman
It's not a matter of freedom of speech.....many are already voicing those opinions and have been for years....yet here we are going over the same stuff. Gripping about the same things. Nothings changed, in fact it's worse.

So again, and yes, what's the plan that will change the situations and remove the powers that be from what's happening?

At best we blew it in the Primary this year..majorly...people fell left and right for the bait while the opposition not only laughed their butts off..but ‘called’ that this would be exactly what would happen....same o same o...all the Democrats and Gop had to do was play their hand....they knew what our hand was going to be long before we had any cards in our hands.And when we had Aces to play we thru them out...and now sit back and gripe yet again.

Thuggery? We as a people continue to allow it....America no longer has fight in them.....look at Romney already bowing down to be Mr. Nice-guy to Obama after he nailed our guys left and right....that speaks volumes....and people think Romney won't bear down as this drug bust occurred?...he will and moreso....you better believe he will!

155 posted on 05/21/2012 7:10:17 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

So when it becomes against the law to vote for anyone but Dear Leader, have butter or bacon in one’s house, read Free Republic, homeschool children, ride a motorcycle, drive a truck, or any other activity of which The State could reasonably fail to approve, you plan on parroting “the law is the law, breaking it has consequences” as you are led into the cattle car.

If reading or posting to Free Republic is declared illegal by a bill signed into law by a president, will you defy the law, or roll over on your back?


156 posted on 05/21/2012 7:31:40 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Be responsible adults and these won’t happen.....the problem is far too many, and it’s increasing, are not. So expect the laws to become more and more rigid....the government to infringe more and more...it is how it’s going to be like it or not...and you can blame idiots like these parents who put their kids in danger for selling dope...and hanging with those who do.


157 posted on 05/21/2012 7:45:50 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

If the thugs were responsible adults, they wouldn’t threaten to murder children.

“Be responsible, and the government won’t threaten to kill your children” is akin to saying

“Play nice with the bully and let him have his way, and he won’t beat you up.”

I take it that you will roll over should it become illegal to post on Free Republic.


158 posted on 05/21/2012 7:59:17 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
If the thugs were responsible adults, they wouldn’t threaten to murder children.

Those kids weren't threatened to be murdered by any of those who took the parents into custody, my gosh what's the matter with you're thinking....sheesh your story grows as you tell it.

159 posted on 05/21/2012 8:36:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

If you point a gun at someone’s head, you are threatening that person with death. When you point a gun at someone’s head who committed no crime and is not a threat to your safety, you are threatening to MURDER that individual.

We are no longer in the dark ages; we hold a person responsible for his own behavior—we do not threaten that person’s children, grandchildren, nieces or nephews because of anything their parents, grandparents, uncles or aunts because of any crime that person actually committed or is accused of committing.

Period.


160 posted on 05/21/2012 9:01:19 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: caww

If you point a gun at someone’s head, you are threatening that person with death. When you point a gun at someone’s head who committed no crime and is not a threat to your safety, you are threatening to MURDER that individual.

We are no longer in the dark ages; we hold a person responsible for his own behavior—we do not threaten that person’s children, grandchildren, nieces or nephews because of any crime which their parents, grandparents, uncles or aunts actually committed or is accused of committing.

If someone commits a crime or is accused of a crime, that person, and that person alone is responsible.

Threatening their relations, especially their minor relations, is despicable and cowardly.

Period.


161 posted on 05/21/2012 9:32:14 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
The investigation into these 13 shops and their employees (two of which are still at large) for selling drug paraphernalia was led by U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson, a Barack Obama appointee. Nine of the shops were also accused of selling "spice," a synthetic alternative to the prohibited and significantly safer drug marijuana.

so were supposed to feel bad for people who are selling synthethic weed? No thanks

162 posted on 05/21/2012 9:35:27 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

And even if that is true (and it is merely an accusation, not evidence), this justifies threatening to murder a two year old boy and twelve year old girl how?


163 posted on 05/21/2012 9:45:02 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

When you break the law and law enforcement is called in, such as this drug raid, then yes expect a gun in your face....and if you run then expect you’ll be shot at...that’s how it’s done...that’s why they call them raids.


164 posted on 05/21/2012 11:12:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

What laws did the two year old break?

How about the twelve year old?

Why do you continue to defend threatening children with murder for the (alleged or real) violations of the law committed by their PARENTS?


165 posted on 05/22/2012 12:08:31 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: microgood
"Anyone who points guns in the faces of tired and frightened children is a coward. And anyone who supports such actions is cowardly scum. The context is irrelevant."

Certainly your opinion. And everyone has one, just like other things. Just because yours stinks doesn't mean you should not hold tightly to it.

166 posted on 05/22/2012 8:27:32 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Thank you for verifying on Free Republic that you support pointing guns in the faces of young children.

I’ve long been fascinated by how brazenly the Statists here reveal themselves. They just can’t keep their desperation to justify the actions of the Agents of the State, no matter how ghastly, hidden.

Perhaps you should make it your tagline: “Police threatened to murder a 2 year old boy and his 12 year old sister, torn from their beds. I defended it.”


167 posted on 05/22/2012 9:39:38 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: JustSayNoToNannies; Altariel
"Amsterdam never had a drug park. Educated observation indeed."

Good point. That was Zurich. My mistake. Amsterdam has the coffee shops with the action.

And, I still believe America is safer than Europe. We are deeply in debt to the folks who carry a badge and wear the blue. It is the idiot parents who would engage in sales of illegal substances, thereby creating this situation, who are to blame. I want the cops to come home to their families at night and I like that they are overly cautious, if it can even be called that. Lots of 12 year old kids have killed someone with a handgun.

If Altariel thinks otherwise, he should pack his bong and get lost.

168 posted on 05/22/2012 9:43:52 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Altariel

Perhaps you should make your tagline, “I am a druggie who doesn’t like law enforcement so nanner, nanner, nanner.”


169 posted on 05/22/2012 10:17:15 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Your revised tagline would reflect your actual beliefs in this forum—you have defended threatening to murder a two year old boy and his twelve year old sister, and have dismissed another Freeper’s commendation of that behavior as “cowardly” as “an opinion”.

You have condemned yourself by your own remarks, and because you realize you cannot defend them, you try to make up “facts” about other posters.


170 posted on 05/22/2012 10:20:59 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: G Larry
ok...folks may recognize that I am NOT a supporter of MJ legalization, BUT!

Nor am I but this raid is so over the top outrageous that I'm inclined to believe that their(police) ultimate goal is for drug legalization.

171 posted on 05/22/2012 10:32:49 AM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Altariel
Perhaps you could tell us where I have made up facts about other posters. And what is this "condemnation" you believe in? The only argument on the table is whether there is a legitimate right for police to protect themselves during a "drug bust". You seem to argue that 12 year olds are never a threat and therefore holding them at gunpoint is unconscionable. I argue that such a view is naive.

I want the cops to go home, alive, guaranteed. You want the cops to risk getting shot by the 12 year old. You have chosen your side, I have chosen mine.

172 posted on 05/22/2012 10:41:33 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Now who is making up facts. We’re talking about a twelve year old girl, forced at gunpoint from her bed, along with her two year old brother.

Notice how desperate you are to make her into the villain? How determined you are to contort HER into the threat? Are you telling me that a group of fully grown men are incapable of defending themselves from a 12 year old girl without the use of a firearm?

I prefer that minor children aren’t threatened with death for the “crime” of being the offspring of people accused of criminal activity.

I prefer that adults don’t contort themselves into pretzels to attempt to defend the actions of the Agents of the State.

I prefer that people don’t dishonor Free Republic by pretending that twelve year old girls yanked from their beds in a terrifying situation aren’t secretly plotting to murder every small-b*lled officer in the room.

I prefer that people don’t worship so openly at the altar of the State that they view innocent children as both expendable and deadly threats.

I prefer that people don’t blindly march lockstep when government officials blather “peace and safety” and pretend that real innocents are never mistreated or abused.

I prefer that government agents are more concerned with basic decency and the Constitutional rights of others than they are about “going home safely”.

Real brave men, terrorizing a two year old boy. I imagine he’ll grow up with a bigger pair than any of the government agents present.


173 posted on 05/22/2012 10:59:40 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

That is quite a laundry list of preferences.

I prefer folks who don’t have their heads in the sand.

I prefer folks who can tell the difference between real thugs and men/women trying to keep the country safe.

I prefer folks who love America rather than anarchy.

I prefer folks who are legitimate conservatives, not trolls.


174 posted on 05/22/2012 5:13:05 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
And, I still believe America is safer than Europe.

Sounds more like a wish than an informed opinion. The US has a murder rate several times higher than most western European countries. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

We are deeply in debt to the folks who carry a badge and wear the blue.

In a sense you're right. Union negotiated pension and disability plans, early retirement, overtime abuse to pad their pensions etc. have put us deeply in their debt.

Now answer me this. What are police in Europe and San Jose doing right to have such a low murder rate, and what are Detroit police doing wrong?

175 posted on 05/22/2012 6:05:12 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H
"What are police in Europe and San Jose doing right to have such a low murder rate, and what are Detroit police doing wrong?"

Anyone with sense can recognize that the great majority of murders in the US are between gang members, criminals, drug cartels, and those who frequent drug shops (as in the article). Your arguments are non-sequitor: You don't want police to suppress crime so you can be less "oppressed", but you want them to suppress crime so we can be more like Europe. Herein lies your problem.

176 posted on 05/23/2012 8:01:24 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Anyone with sense can recognize that the great majority of murders in the US are between gang members, criminals, drug cartels, and those who frequent drug shops (as in the article).

So explain why the Dutch have a murder rate that is a fraction of the US. Crime ought to be rampant in such a drug-tolerant environment, right?

Your arguments are non-sequitor: You don't want police to suppress crime so you can be less "oppressed", but you want them to suppress crime so we can be more like Europe. Herein lies your problem.

I want police, as well as the rest of the government, to obey the Constitution. Drug war punks think nothing of walking over the Tenth Amendment to have their little 'war' - and make a good salary at taxpayers' expense, to boot. Just wait until austerity hits, LOL!

177 posted on 05/23/2012 8:47:45 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Altariel

There will be an end to this bureaucratic socialist tyranny soon!

I am not in agreement with pot smoking, but it is not the federal governments authority to tell stated what laws they should have.


178 posted on 05/23/2012 8:52:35 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Dutchboy88

I prefer people who don’t pretend that a 2 year old boy and a 12 year old girl, yanked from their beds, are “threats”.

I prefer people who understand basic compassion and decency, recognizing that since we are no longer living in the Dark Ages, we do not threaten children for the (real or alleged) crimes of their parents.

I prefer people who do not blindly support government agents and seek to downplay real abuses of power.

I prefer people who fear God more than they fear government.


179 posted on 05/23/2012 11:13:44 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
"I prefer people who fear God more than they fear government."

Come again? You prefer people who fear God more than the government? That is this side of the argument, my FRiend. You are the one worried about police becoming storm troopers. We are saying that our trust is in God and we are grateful for the peace provided. Perhaps you are saying you don't prefer yourself????

180 posted on 05/24/2012 8:09:00 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Rather, I am saddened by those who defend the practice.

Those who fear God do not threatened to murder small children.

Those who defend the practice only embolden them to “up” their “threats” by doing so.

“If you hadn’t done “X”, little Tommy could have lived.....”

In the end, God will deal with those who oppressed the innocent along with the guilty (or instead of the guilty), as he will deal with those who did not condemn those who threatened the innocent.


181 posted on 05/24/2012 8:32:12 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
"In the end, God will deal with those who oppressed the innocent along with the guilty (or instead of the guilty), as he will deal with those who did not condemn those who threatened the innocent."

If you read the entire Book, my FRiend, you would find that God is rescuing those who do not deserve rescue, He is redeeming the elect not because of a "righteousness derived from Law", but because of His exceedingly merciful grace. If you believe you represent the "good enough to be deserving heaven", I caution you to re-read the text. Even Paul did not view himself this way. Your gospel suffers from the same misunderstanding that the Judaizers taught.

182 posted on 05/24/2012 9:59:10 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Ken H
"Drug war punks think nothing of walking over the Tenth Amendment to have their little 'war' - and make a good salary at taxpayers' expense, to boot."

Yes, of course, the problem is with the enforcers...not your druggie buddies who break the law, kill the innocent, ruin the cities, tear apart families, destroy the fabric of America, cause the public to live in fear, poison the folks who use their products. Yes, now we understand what you want.

183 posted on 05/24/2012 10:05:31 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Yes, of course, the problem is with the enforcers...not your druggie buddies who break the law, kill the innocent, ruin the cities, tear apart families, destroy the fabric of America, cause the public to live in fear, poison the folks who use their products. Yes, now we understand what you want.

You've just summarized prohibition in a nutshell. Well done.

So what about the fact that the Dutch have some of the most tolerant drug laws in the world, but their murder rate is among the lowest? You never addressed that point.

Now tell me, do you support the Tenth Amendment... YES or NO?

184 posted on 05/24/2012 11:54:04 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Dutchboy88; Altariel
In the end, God will deal with those who oppressed the innocent along with the guilty (or instead of the guilty), as he will deal with those who did not condemn those who threatened the innocent.

If you read the entire Book, my FRiend, you would find that God is rescuing those who do not deserve rescue, He is redeeming the elect not because of a "righteousness derived from Law", but because of His exceedingly merciful grace. If you believe you represent the "good enough to be deserving heaven"

You can't save yourself with good works - but you can condemn yourself with bad works plus lack of repentance. I agree with Altariel that oppressing the innocent or failing to condemn such oppression, and not repenting of same, will earn God's wrath; what's your view?

185 posted on 05/24/2012 2:17:49 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Dutchboy88
break the law, kill the innocent, ruin the cities, tear apart families, destroy the fabric of America, cause the public to live in fear, poison the folks who use their products.

Rumrunners did the same during Prohibition of the drug alcohol; we stopped them by ending Prohibition.

186 posted on 05/24/2012 2:20:35 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies; Altariel
"what's your view?"

The entire direction of argument is invalid. Nothing has proven that this rises to the level of "oppressing the innocent or failing to condemn such oppression,..." let alone of "...not repenting of same..." This is all his opinion (and perhaps yours), but is not biblical evidence.

That A doesn't like a firm hand by LOE might be interpreted as a self-made righteousness which is far more insidious and demonic than any police action in the US. He believes, "I prefer that government agents are more concerned with basic decency and the Constitutional rights of others than they are about “going home safely”." I prefer that the men go home safely and the bad guy's kids suffer a bad night of fear. Perhaps this will be a reminder of what daddy does wrong.

No one has proven this is "oppressive" or "terrorizing" anyone. And, if he thinks being in the shoes of the LOE is so simple, he should pick up a badge and show us how easy it really is. Until then, it is blather. And such self-important errors have been absolutely described by Jesus as evil. What will God do in His wrath with "whitewashed" tombs? Clean on the outside, filthy on the inside but proud of it.

187 posted on 05/24/2012 3:06:01 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

God will forgive the repentant, absolutely—but these officers are not repentant, so far as we know, about threatening to murder children. Hopefully they will repent of it.

Those who will not repent of oppressing the innocent, but continue to do so—the Lord will deal with them.


188 posted on 05/24/2012 8:09:57 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Dutchboy88

Pointing weapons at children is not displaying a “firm hand” but shows a callous disregard for their lives.

I note that you continue to be concerned with defending servants of the government, regardless of their behavior, regardless if they show a lack of fear of God in threatening to murder children.

I note that Christ had a particular concern for children.


189 posted on 05/24/2012 8:14:27 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Dutchboy88

Pointing weapons at children is not displaying a “firm hand” but shows a callous disregard for their lives and their well-being—a disregard that can one day may blossom into an open willingness to shoot children even as dogs are now shot.

I note that you continue to be concerned with defending servants of the government, regardless of their behavior, regardless if they show a lack of fear of God in threatening to murder children. Unquestioning devotion to government, even when they do wrong in the sight of the Lord, is worship of government, not of Yahweh.

I note that Christ had a particular concern for children. His attitude is one of which we need more in our society.


190 posted on 05/24/2012 8:24:13 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Dutchboy88

Where did I claim that the children were righteous or sinless?

You are deliberately ignoring the point.


191 posted on 05/24/2012 8:26:34 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Dutchboy88

I find it fascinating that, failing to provide a reasonable defense for government employees for threatening to murder children torn from their beds, you attempt to change the subject.

Is it because you recognize that there is no defense for what they have done, that it had nothing to do with their safety or the safety of any other American, but was a callous threat to murder the children for that which their parents stood accused, but had not been tried?


192 posted on 05/24/2012 8:40:28 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Post 189, 190, 191, 192.

You, my FRiend, are flailing about trying to make a case which does not exist. Your spurious theology is laughable and displays a gross misunderstanding of the Gospel. Have a good weekend being forced to recognize some of the “jack booted storm troopers” who gave up their lives to keep your unappreciative rear end safe. Instead, go enjoy that bong. But, remember, the adults are looking for you...


193 posted on 05/25/2012 6:38:11 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88; Altariel
Perhaps you could tell us where I have made up facts about other posters.

How about here: Perhaps you should make your tagline, “I am a druggie who doesn’t like law enforcement so nanner, nanner, nanner.”

Unacceptable.

194 posted on 05/25/2012 6:44:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Dutchboy88; Altariel
Instead, go enjoy that bong.

You know, you want to take on this poster. Make up stuff, accuse them of criminal activity, libel them all over the thread.

Tell ya what: take ME on, punk.

195 posted on 05/25/2012 6:49:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Dutchboy88

I have made the same argument throughout; you have continued to defend threatening the lives and causing mental and psychological anguish to young children in the name of “safety”.

Threatening the children of people accused of crimes does not cause anyone to become more “safe”, nor is it righteous in God’s eyes.

Defending those who deliberately insert children into a deadly and stressful situation for the purpose of “punishing” their parents show a callous disregard for the children and for God.

Becoming angered/indignant that one would condemn LEOs for such behavior is evidence of worshiping the State, and not God. Those who do not worship the State and her Agents are not angered when abuses are pointed out, nor do they try to idolize who did not “[give] up their lives” at this raid, but threatened the lives of children.

You have chosen to make the police an idol; it’s entirely within one’s sinful nature to make idols—whether of Mammon or of Man. I hope that you will repent of it, and cease to pressure other Freepers to also sing praises to those who violate God’s commandments for how one should treat not merely children, but their fellow man.


196 posted on 05/25/2012 6:53:06 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Dutchboy88

How about the screams of the two year old boy. Was he not terrorized?

Was his twelve year old sister no less terrorized as she woke to realize that armed men were in her house and were not permitting her own brother to be given to his mother to be comforted as best could be done under the circumstances?

Do you think for a moment that she did not wonder whether the men pointing guns at herself and her family would open fire, killing herself and her family?

I’d call that a “terrorizing” situation for adults, much less children.

Only someone who worships Government and her Agents would find such treatment of children justifiable.


197 posted on 05/25/2012 6:57:03 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Don’t disappoint me. I’m sticking up for you.

I find it unacceptable when someone makes unfounded accusations just because the other person has a particular political point of view.

You are a newer poster, he’s been around since 2007. I don’t normally go to bat for n00bs — they gotta prove their chops first — but this cat was slingin’ a crack pipe at you one-too-many-times.


198 posted on 05/25/2012 7:02:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz

Crawl back into your “I’d hit it.” hole.


199 posted on 05/25/2012 7:57:21 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Lazamataz; Dutchboy88
Instead, go enjoy that bong.

You know, you want to take on this poster. Make up stuff, accuse them of criminal activity, libel them all over the thread.

Tell ya what: take ME on, punk.

<crickets>

200 posted on 05/25/2012 7:59:36 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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