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“My son screamed for his mother for what seemed like an eternity”
Reason ^ | May 20, 2012 | Mike Riggs

Posted on 05/21/2012 7:31:52 AM PDT by Altariel

At 5:30 a.m. on May 10, armed men broke into the bedroom of Kirk Kyle Farrar’s 12 year-old daughter and shook her awake. The men led her downstairs at gunpoint and forced her to lie on the floor next to her mother and father, with her hands behind her head. Another armed man took Farrar’s two-year-old son from his crib, and would not let his parents hold him. “My son screamed for his mother for what seemed like an eternity,” Farrar wrote in an email to friends, obtained by Reason. “I will never forget the hopeless feeling of not being able to comfort my son or daughter.”

The armed men who broke into Farrar’s home were officers with the Meridian, Idaho, Police Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration. They were executing a federal warrant for Farrar’s arrest for the crime of selling bongs.

Farrar’s wasn’t the only family traumatized that morning. Agents from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the U.S. Marshals Service, the Idaho National Guard, and four Idaho police departments raided the homes of 13 other headshop owners and employees on May 10. All of the headshops had their inventory seized. One shop lost more than $80,000 worth of merchandise (bongs and pipes marketed as “tobacco water pipes”). Another headshop owner had his and and his employees' vehicles seized.

The investigation into these 13 shops and their employees (two of which are still at large) for selling drug paraphernalia was led by U.S. Attorney Wendy J. Olson, a Barack Obama appointee. Nine of the shops were also accused of selling "spice," a synthetic alternative to the prohibited and significantly safer drug marijuana.

In his email, Farrar denies selling spice. "Piece of Mind Boise has never carried these products EVER! We made a commitment from the start not to carry it because we believe it is dangerous and not being used in a legal fashion."

He also notes that his cousin, "[who] has never previously committed a crime and has absolutely no criminal record," has been charged with "with 4 Federal felony charges stemming from selling tobacco products."

“The open sale of drug paraphernalia promotes unlawful drug use and helps drug traffickers thrive,” Olson said at a press conference on May 10. “These indictments show federal, state and local law enforcement partners will attack drug trafficking on all fronts.”

During a speech at the Center for American Progress earlier this month, Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske said that the law enforcement-only approach to America's drug problem was not "humane, compassionate" or "realistic." He also said that the Obama administration does not believe it can "arrest its way out of the drug problem."

Reason spoke to one headshop owner. At his attorney’s behest, this owner declined to go on the record, but did say that local police had been aware of the store’s existence and sales of glass pipes for years, but had never threatened charges or discouraged the business from operating. The owner believes that the raids came at the behest of federal law enforcement officials.

According to the Idaho Statesman, “the DEA, Idaho National Guard, IRS and the U.S. Marshals and Attorney’s offices worked on the case,” which the agencies built over the course of an entire year.

As if more evidence were needed that President Obama's drug war looks a lot like George W. Bush's: The charges against Farrar and the other Idaho headshop owners are reminiscent of the federal prosecution of actor Tommy Chong under Bush's DOJ. Chong was convicted in 2003 for distributing paraphernalia through his company Nice Dreams Enterprises. Chong was fined $20,000, and made to forfeit his domain name, all of his inventory, and $103,514 in cash.


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To: Albion Wilde

Both kids will; the 12 year old will have much more vivid and concrete memories than her brother.

Neither child will likely trust a law enforcement officer for their entire lives.

When the State finally gets around to terrorizing the children of law abiding gun owners, dog owners, truck owners, butter consumers, bacon consumers, etc. (all in the name of our Health and Safety), it will be too late for those here today who are justifying this now.

For there will be no one to speak for them, because they did not first speak up on behalf of others.

Sadly, some Freepers here will gladly kiss the boots of the State when that day comes, and encourage their children to do the same.


51 posted on 05/21/2012 8:45:48 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

If one of the children were injured then yes, I would blame the parents for putting their children in that situation by the choices they made to ride the fence they chose.

You play with fire you and are yours are more than likely to eventually get burned. That’s the risk and they chose that path.


52 posted on 05/21/2012 8:46:33 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww; cloudmountain
Why would ANY parent of children under 18 be STUPID enough to get involved in the drug trade, even legally selling the paraphernalia?

They know the risk going in when they operate on the fringes. The mindset of people today is even if they break the laws ultimately they will get a slap on the hands at worst....which is generally quite true.

As for their children....well it's apparent were they serious about their welfare they would not be involved with such a "business" in the first place.

You might find these words cold comfort when they come for the guns. Or when those gun dealers you depend on find that even though they are selling a "legal" product that the law is no longer a factor, there is only power.

In most parts of this country the Second Amendment is regarded as merely advisory. I hope you don't find this out the hard way.

53 posted on 05/21/2012 8:46:59 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: caww

Butch and Hussein have some ‘splainin’ to do.


54 posted on 05/21/2012 8:47:29 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

How about we say it like this: A justice tactic of which Vlad Tepes would approve?


55 posted on 05/21/2012 8:47:51 AM PDT by Waywardson (If you fear Obama..... vote for Romney. If you fear God... DON'T !)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Google a picture of Dean Graziosi to see the resemblence.


56 posted on 05/21/2012 8:47:58 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Altariel

Again....you play with fire you risk being burned....the kids were put in harms way ‘by the parents’ choices. The state didn’t “terrorize the children”...the parents are responsible for this entire situation ...and all the scars which will come from it.


57 posted on 05/21/2012 8:50:39 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

“Yes, I do blame the parents for owning guns. They should have known better than to put their children into harms way. Who cares if the [insert ages of your children, grandchildren or nephews/nieces] will be emotionally and psychologically impacted for life by the actions of Jack-Booted-Thugs?

The State must not be questioned!”

That shoe is really going to pinch when it is on your foot; I hope your children/grandchildren/nieces or nephews aren’t threatened with death/shot as an “example” because you are a “gun-owning, dangerous conservative terrorist”.

Today, constitutional rights are trampled for the “good cause” of drugs.

The “good cause” of many Americans is ridding America of gun ownership.

When they come for you, don’t say you weren’t warned. You tried to justify the actions of the government Hydra, instead of cutting it down to proper size.

It will devour you, in its turn.


58 posted on 05/21/2012 8:51:34 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

What’s the next step. “get your screaming toddler under control, or I’ll shoot him?”


I wonder if it’s only a matter of time. I also wonder if that would finally wake Americans up or not.


59 posted on 05/21/2012 8:52:14 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: caww

“Again....you play with fire you risk being burned....the kids were put in harms way ‘by the parents’ choices. The state didn’t “terrorize the children”...the parents are responsible for this entire situation ...and all the scars which will come from it.”

So, no Freeper in the future who is arrested/tormented/watches as his or her children is threatened with death for the “crime of gun ownership” should be pitied, in your view?

After all, they played with fire by owning guns without the Permission of the State.

Be careful the justifications you use to justify the actions of the government hydra.

They can also be used when you are the victim it devours.


60 posted on 05/21/2012 8:53:32 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

OOOOOOOO we law-abiding folk are really really scared. And, yes, we support pointing loaded weapons at tired, frightened children who are in the presence of armed, deranged, drug-peddling monsters who destroy America. Thank you for verifying that the angry, self-absorbed, David-Koresh-group that huddles with you is as crazy as we thought.


61 posted on 05/21/2012 8:56:15 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: sauropod
"Rhetorical Question: What the hell is going on?"

Fed Gov revenue stream gotta flow uphill somewhere.
Idaho must be full of white folks.

62 posted on 05/21/2012 8:57:16 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: caww

Wrong. The agents could just have easily produced a warrant for arrest at the business itself during business hours.

They CHOSE to terrorize his two small children, threatening them with DEATH.

It’s only a matter of time before the death THREATS turn into the callousness to actually pull the trigger.

Will it be your children, your nephew(s) or your niece(s) or your grandchildren who have the dubious “honor” to be the first, on that day?


63 posted on 05/21/2012 8:58:02 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Mycroft Holmes

Look...they knew the risk of playing on the edge with any type of drug paraphanalia.....legal or not. They also knew it’s a fine line regardless of how the situtaion played out or plays out from here on.... Fools says it well.

As for coming for guns...do you honestly believe that will be stopped if they choose to do so? Yes they have the power and yes they will use it when and how they choose....why invite it? ....Which is exactly what these fools did by the what they choose to involve themselves and their family with. The buck stops with them....the outcome will of course be another story.


64 posted on 05/21/2012 8:58:21 AM PDT by caww
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To: Dutchboy88

Notice how you are dehumanizing American citizens.

Observe that the same dehumanization will be done to you, when you are the owner or consumer of an “illegal” possession or substance.

What will it be for you? Your firearms? Your truck? The butter or bacon in your rerigerator? The chocolate chip cookies in the pantry? Will you own a dog breed not approved by the State?

If you think the noose cannot be tightened around your neck, if you truly think you cannot be found guilty of violating some law already on the books (or which will be added to them), it is you who are woefully naive.

Will it take the threat of death or the actual deaths of your children, niece or nephew or grandchildren to wake you up, too late, to the hunger of the government hydra?

If it can happen to them, it can happen to you.

Be careful what you justify the government doing to others—you grant it the power to do the same to you as well.


65 posted on 05/21/2012 9:02:29 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: ConservaTexan

Thanks, I didn’t know who he was before.


66 posted on 05/21/2012 9:03:57 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Altariel
The agents could just have easily produced a warrant for arrest at the business itself during business hours.

Baloney Alteriel....that's not how it really works...and we all know it. If they intend to capture you they will do so with or without what is legal or not.....it is what it is.

Parents who put their children in harms way are responsible for the outcome no matter how much one wants to avoid or justify the actions taken against them....or how the operation went down.

This is not the first time nor will it be the last such a situation has occured.....whatever the outsome the buck stops with the parents of these children.

67 posted on 05/21/2012 9:03:57 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

So you would have no complaints if a Freeper posts one day to report his/her children were murdered because he/she committed the “crime” of firearms ownership?

After all, surely that Freeper brought it on himself, wouldn’t you agree, Comrade?


68 posted on 05/21/2012 9:04:20 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Boogieman

Increasingly, it seems to be only a matter of time.

Will it be the child of a Freeper who has the dubious “honor” of being the first?

Those who have no compunctions against pointing armed weapons at children today will surely shoot them when they are sufficiently emboldened tomorrow.

After all, the actions of the parents warranted the murder of the children, right?


69 posted on 05/21/2012 9:06:46 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: DBrow

Water pip, bong, hookah. . .aren’t these all basically the same type of instrument?

Hookah bars are opening up all over the place. Why are they legal?


70 posted on 05/21/2012 9:10:14 AM PDT by wtd
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To: Altariel
they played with fire by owning guns without the Permission of the State.

Yes.... Like it or not their are laws in each state which one is to adhere to in purchasing firearms....you hold them illegally your going to pay the price for breaking those laws. It's that simple. To think otherwise is being a fool.

71 posted on 05/21/2012 9:10:26 AM PDT by caww
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To: treetopsandroofs

A left handed batter if I ever saw one.

Use the DEA to harass some pot heads but push the immoral sodomy on us all. We are sooooo far gone.


72 posted on 05/21/2012 9:10:38 AM PDT by Waywardson (If you fear Obama..... vote for Romney. If you fear God... DON'T !)
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To: caww
The agents could just have easily produced a warrant for arrest at the business itself during business hours.

Baloney Alteriel....that's not how it really works...and we all know it. If they intend to capture you they will do so with or without what is legal or not.....it is what it is.

It is what they choose it to be, which was Alteriel's point. Their choice to endanger lives because of bong-selling was immoral, and should not be defended by anyone who wants to think of themselves as conservative.

73 posted on 05/21/2012 9:11:06 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: caww
Again....you play with fire you risk being burned....the kids were put in harms way ‘by the parents’ choices. The state didn’t “terrorize the children”...the parents are responsible for this entire situation ...and all the scars which will come from it.

Exactly. I mean, it's not like we needed that Constitution or anything.

74 posted on 05/21/2012 9:11:52 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (A conservative voting for Romney is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders)
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To: Altariel
The agents could just have easily produced a warrant for arrest at the business itself during business hours.

They CHOSE to terrorize his two small children, threatening them with DEATH.

B I N G O !!!

75 posted on 05/21/2012 9:12:12 AM PDT by Waywardson (If you fear Obama..... vote for Romney. If you fear God... DON'T !)
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To: Waywardson
Use the DEA to harass some pot heads

Not even pot heads ... bong sellers and their children.

76 posted on 05/21/2012 9:12:30 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: DBrow

So I’m confused ... would a hooka qualify as a bong? If not, why not.


77 posted on 05/21/2012 9:13:18 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Dutchboy88

Take all of your police state nazis and go to h*ll!

The Constitution is such a little thing isn’t it?just brush it aside when you want to impose your will on everyone.Funny how the United States was a land of opportunity and freedom that drew people from all over even in the 1800s when the government didn’t regulate every aspect of life.

Funny how huge organized crime became with the prohibition of alcohol.

Funny how organized crime thrives because there is lots more profit for dealers and government by keeping substances illegal.

Funny how someone on a conservative site is fine with police and military personnel terrorizing American CHILDREN .

Funny how a government that can force others to your beliefs can also force you to comply with someone else’s.!

Funny how so few of us still believe in the freedom of others even if we personally don’t use alcohol,drugs,bungee jump,scuba dive,ride a motorcycle without a helmet,etc.etc.

I’m not laughing.


78 posted on 05/21/2012 9:14:15 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Altariel

Yes....and using “Freepers” doesn’t change the equation. You own fire arms you have a respossibility to make them legal. If you choose otherwise you also know the risk for doing so. Simple.


79 posted on 05/21/2012 9:14:29 AM PDT by caww
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To: Waywardson
How about we say it like this: A justice tactic of which Vlad Tepes would approve?

I was thinking more along the lines of something involving four horses, four ropes, and a lot of pain, but that would work too.

80 posted on 05/21/2012 9:15:33 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (A conservative voting for Romney is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders)
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To: caww

How can you hold a firearm illegally when the Second Amendment clearly states the right to hold a firearm “shall not be infringed”?


81 posted on 05/21/2012 9:15:58 AM PDT by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: Dutchboy88
armed, deranged, drug-peddling monsters

Where is the evidence that the Farrars were any of those things? (Free clue: it's not in the article.)

82 posted on 05/21/2012 9:17:18 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: caww; Altariel
Yes....and using “Freepers” doesn’t change the equation. You own fire arms you have a respossibility to make them legal. If you choose otherwise you also know the risk for doing so. Simple.

So, if the gubmint banned firearms - in essence making NO firearms ownership legal - then you're perfectly fine with the government thugs shooting somebody's kid on a raid for those "illegal" firearms?

I'm not. Kids should live. Thugs should not. It's really that simple.

83 posted on 05/21/2012 9:18:25 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (A conservative voting for Romney is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders)
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To: Altariel

WOD that too many here support gets it done again


84 posted on 05/21/2012 9:18:26 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: caww

“Baloney Alteriel....that’s not how it really works”

Yes, we know how it works. They could have easily arrested them outside the home, served the warrant on the business, and seized the contraband that they had clear evidence of, but what they really wanted was to search the home for drugs, which they had no evidence of. It was a fishing expedition, because drugs laid out on a table make for a much better photo op than a bunch of glass bongs.


85 posted on 05/21/2012 9:18:44 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: wtd

“Water pip, bong, hookah. . .aren’t these all basically the same type of instrument?”

Yes, until the State says they aren’t. Welcome to arbitrary law enforcement by the State, FRiend.


86 posted on 05/21/2012 9:21:24 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: bluetick

Because people let the government infringe their rights for so long in the name of safety?

Didn’t Ben Franklin and others warn that if you against giving up freedom for “security”?


87 posted on 05/21/2012 9:23:25 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham

OK I botched the grammar in my haste.

Meant to write that Franklin and others warned against giving up freedom for security.


88 posted on 05/21/2012 9:25:35 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
I understand the arguements.....but the 'facts' are that they we no longer have governance that adheres to the Constitution, it's simply a rummple strip they go over........

Our government is out of the control of the People and the Constitution..... The entire legal system from bottom to top and top to bottom has failed in its duty to support and defend to the Constitution. .....The current and prior Congresses have failed us. .... the Executive Branch has failed us... and it is now totally in the hands of corrupt people not acting in the best interests of our Constitution and Republic.

Not facing the reality of the place this country is in, and that it's fast becomming lawless by the very powers appointed to abide by the law....is keeping your head in the sand.

Until the people determine to stop this , and I question that it can be any time soon.....the reality is we've lost the Consititution and are no longer a Republic... in the maze of those who completely ignore it thru the powers they weld...

89 posted on 05/21/2012 9:28:29 AM PDT by caww
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To: hoosierham

I am amused by the ones that use that Franklin quote to rail against the patriot act but otoh embrace gun control measures.


90 posted on 05/21/2012 9:28:41 AM PDT by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: bluetick
How can you hold a firearm illegally when the Second Amendment clearly states the right to hold a firearm “shall not be infringed”?

post 89 answers this.

91 posted on 05/21/2012 9:31:29 AM PDT by caww
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To: hoosierham

I knew where you were going.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”


92 posted on 05/21/2012 9:32:07 AM PDT by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: caww

I am unclear how your post 89 reconciles with blaming the parents for the actions of an unlawful thugocracy.


93 posted on 05/21/2012 9:36:23 AM PDT by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
So, if the gubmint banned firearms - in essence making NO firearms ownership legal - then you're perfectly fine with the government thugs shooting somebody's kid on a raid for those "illegal" firearms?

Key is the "IF" in your statement. To date they are not banned. Should firearms be banned then the whole equation changes.

We know what's coming and they will do whatever is necessary to overstep the Constitution that affords us the right to protect our home and families.....should they succeed in banning firearms....and I think eventually they will, Then folks need to determine alternatives now and not wait until their choices are far more limited.

94 posted on 05/21/2012 9:40:50 AM PDT by caww
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To: taxcontrol

Someone on this thread posted that bongs have a hole (known as a “carb” or carburetor) that lets air in to clear the pipe, and the water-pipes/hookahs do not. I’m not sure if that is the case in general, or maybe if that is just this state’s law that defines it that way. Seems like a very slim difference to me, since there are “bongs” that don’t have carbs, but use other mechanisms to do the same thing, and drilling a hole for an “after-market” upgrade would be easy anyway.


95 posted on 05/21/2012 9:40:53 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Altariel
"Notice how you are dehumanizing American citizens.

Observe that the same dehumanization will be done to you, when you are the owner or consumer of an “illegal” possession or substance."

Oh, please. If the knucklehead were not dealing in "illegal" substances, he would be sipping lemonade with his family right now. Do you really believe this conspiracy nonsense? Second shooter, grassy knoll, FBI and everyone is out to get you? Look around...you are in the safest country in the world. Go to Mexico where you can run with the cartels unmolested. That's what no law enforcement looks like.

96 posted on 05/21/2012 9:42:47 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: bluetick

Go back to the beginning of the thread then.....the parents are responsible for putting their children in harms way by the choice they made in riding this fence to begin with.


97 posted on 05/21/2012 9:43:16 AM PDT by caww
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To: Dutchboy88
If the knucklehead were not dealing in "illegal" substances, he would be sipping lemonade with his family right now.

Hard to understand why people can't get this...and by doing so the parents put their children in danger for whatever outcome might occur thereafter.

98 posted on 05/21/2012 9:46:39 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Look...they knew the risk of playing on the edge with any type of drug paraphanalia.....legal or not.

Yes, I'm sure they were fully aware that they were risking the intervention of federal storm troopers who would invade their family home and terrorize their children with the threat of violent death, because they openly and legally sold some plastic and glass pipes. Plain as day, it was.

(that's sarcasm, btw)

99 posted on 05/21/2012 9:46:56 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Dutchboy88

If the thugs had chosen different employment, or at the very least, refused to threaten the children, they would not have the lifelong guilt of threatening to murder children right now.

Do you feel pangs of guilt because you too, have threatened to murder children? Have you seen too many tear-stained faces of the young look at you in fear and horror?

If peace officers had gone to the man’s business and arrested him there, with a warrant, there would be no constitutional violations, no frightened children, no drama, and no thuggery.

But some people here like to defend such thuggery. Perhaps it is because they fear the revelation of their own thuggery.


100 posted on 05/21/2012 9:49:14 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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