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Catholic Priest Says A Schoolgirl Who Went Missing In 1983 Was Kidnapped For Vatican Sex Parties
Business Insider ^ | May 22, 2012 | Michael Kelley

Posted on 05/22/2012 9:35:18 AM PDT by Altariel

The Catholic Church's leading exorcist priest asserts that a Vatican employee's daughter thought to be buried in a mob boss's tomb was kidnapped for Vatican sex parties, reports Nick Pisa of the Daily Mail.

Father Gabriel Amorth, who was ordained in 1954 and has carried out more than 70,000 exorcisms, made the claim to Italian newspaper La Stampa as police examine the contents of mobster Enrico De Pedis's tomb for clues about the 1983 disappearance of 15-year-old Emanuela Orlandi.

Father Amorth, 85, noted that an archivist at the Vatican previously admitted to recruiting girls for parties and told La Stampa newspaper the he believes that Orlandi "ended up in this circle" and that the "case of sexual exploitation" led to her murder followed by "the hiding of her body," according to the Daily Mail.

Father Amorth also said that "diplomatic staff from a foreign embassy to the Holy See" were also involved.

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To: Altariel
Father Gabriel Amorth, who was ordained in 1954 and has carried out more than 70,000 exorcisms,

1954 to 2012 is 58 years.

70000 exorcisms, over 58 years, is 1206.89 exorcisms a year.

That works out to 3.3065 exorcisms a day, every day, rain, sleet or hail, sickness, health, weekends, Christmas.....

I call busslhit.

51 posted on 05/22/2012 10:30:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Morgana

First thing you would do. First thing i would do. Definitely not what everyone would do. Certainly not a priest looking to protect the church instead of the child.
I took a few years of journalism way back in the 1970’s. I can tell you that it elevates your ability to read and especially your ability to question.
I have no idea where he was at the time of the incident but he became the official exorcist in 1986. He was in the area shortly after the crime for sure. Since he had to prepare for the position he was likely there before 1986. Still don’t know for sure but certainly more possible. Second point. He makes his statements about the crime. Did he say he was not involved? we don’t know either way if he was or was not. His statement could well be a confession. We simply don’t know.


52 posted on 05/22/2012 10:30:49 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Altariel

-—Father Amorth, 85, noted that an archivist at the Vatican——

Is the activist a lay person? Sister? Brother? Priest?

Regardless, any members of these categories may sin. If true, this story would obviously be scandalous. Still, this report is light on facts.

——previously admitted to recruiting girls for parties-—

Admitted to who? Was the behavior criminal? Was there a trial? Conviction?

——and told La Stampa newspaper the he believes that Orlandi “ended up in this circle” and that the “case of sexual exploitation” led to her murder followed by “the hiding of her body,” according to the Daily Mail.——

Did he base his opinion on ANY facts? If not, this is pure speculation.

-—Father Amorth also said that “diplomatic staff from a foreign embassy to the Holy See” were also involved.-—

Again, based on what?


53 posted on 05/22/2012 10:31:29 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (hViva Christo Rey!)
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To: Altariel

In all fairness, it’s the obligation of the claimant to present proof to support his accusation, not of his dectractors to prove the negative of his claim. Father Amorth, who has a recent history of somewhat incredible claims, has made a claim for which he has presented no corroborating proof.


54 posted on 05/22/2012 10:31:47 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

“Claiming one exorcism makes him a nut in my book...”

###

Time to read some more books then.


55 posted on 05/22/2012 10:31:55 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: Altariel
More than 700 exorcisms = a scammer and a liar with delusions of grandeur.
56 posted on 05/22/2012 10:31:55 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Altariel

In all fairness, it’s the obligation of the claimant to present proof to support his accusation, not of his dectractors to prove the negative of his claim. Father Amorth, who has a recent history of somewhat incredible claims, has made a claim for which he has presented no corroborating proof.


57 posted on 05/22/2012 10:32:11 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Altariel
If you have evidence that he has lied about what happened to the girl, post it. But you don’t have evidence of him lying in the first place, only assertions of lying.

What proof do we have that he is telling the truth? Has anyone verified his story independently?

58 posted on 05/22/2012 10:33:06 AM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: wiggen

He is 85 and knows he may not have much time left so yes if true it is very much a confession. Of what though? Like you asked what he involved or just guilty of having the knowledge all these years.


59 posted on 05/22/2012 10:37:30 AM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: servantboy777

——I not Catholic, but my heart aches for the church and for all those who have been sexually victimized. Not only by the Catholic church but Protestant as well. I know someone very well that was abused in this manner. His life spiraled horribly out of control after the abuse as a child. Sexual immorality, divorce, drug and alcohol addiction...you name it.——

Thank you for your level-headed post.

Studies show that the rate of child abuse among priests and ministers is about 1-3%.

The rate among public school teachers is reported to be 10%. Yet which do we hear more about?

Which are the temples of a godless society?


60 posted on 05/22/2012 10:39:50 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (hViva Christo Rey!)
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To: Altariel

Exorcists are always at extreme risk of having the evil spirt transfer to them.

It is not an amateur endeavor.


61 posted on 05/22/2012 10:43:11 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: ZX12R
My idea, exactly. If he's counting demons instead of people, the math works a little better (not to mention being harder to prove/disprove).

Remember in the Bible, the man who was possessed by demons calling themselves Legion. In Biblical times, a Roman legion numbered about 5,000, so he would only need to exorcise demons from 14 similarly afflicted people to make his number.

62 posted on 05/22/2012 10:43:52 AM PDT by cincinnati65 (Romney is not MY candidate for President in 2012.)
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To: HangnJudge

Yeah well ALL aren’t proclaiming to be the universal church either...


63 posted on 05/22/2012 10:47:43 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

So, in your world there are no demons or true exorcists? Nice.

(Father Amorth has written several books on the matter. There are many witnesses to God’s works through Father Amorth.)


64 posted on 05/22/2012 10:48:29 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Altariel

Free Republic Archives
August 2001
An Interview with Fr. Gabriele Amorth-
The Church’s Leading Exorcist

He is one of the ‘good guys’ in the Catholic Church.

He does a great service for his fellow Catholics,
and he deserves Catholic gratitude for his work.


65 posted on 05/22/2012 10:49:10 AM PDT by wakibeach
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Monsignor

“It has already previously been stated by (deceased) monsignor Simeone Duca, an archivist at the Vatican, who was asked to recruit girls for parties with the help of the Vatican gendarmes.”


66 posted on 05/22/2012 10:50:46 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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To: Inwoodian

If a village or group of people were “exorcised”, he could count everyone present and “an exorcism”, couldn’t he?


67 posted on 05/22/2012 10:51:36 AM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: cincinnati65

This guy was a specialist. His job was exorcisms, and people were brought from all over to him in Rome. Given that it was his full-time job, allowing an hour for a typical one, 4 a day is about what you’d expect.

Plenty of 85-year old doctors have seen way more than 70,000 patients.


68 posted on 05/22/2012 10:54:03 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

According to the news account, a grave was examined in the vatican and bones (the missing girl’s?) were found that did not belong in that grave.

Forensic examination will provide an answer to some of these significant questions.


69 posted on 05/22/2012 10:54:03 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Archivist.

Not activist.


70 posted on 05/22/2012 11:05:00 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Lazamataz

The Daily Mail story is just as poorly written, but it’s possible to tease out some facts.

——”Detectives investigating the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi, 15, in 1983, believe De Pedis (an Italian mobster) is linked to her kidnap and the body of the Vatican employee’s daughter has never been found...”-—

Here is the alleged tie to clergy:

-—...In 2008 Sabrina Minardi, De Pedis girlfriend at the time of Orlandi’s disappearance, sensationally claimed that now dead American monsignor Paul Marcinkus, the controversial chief of the Vatican bank, was behind the kidnap.-—

IOW, the girlfriend of the accused, dead mobster, blames a dead priest, previously associated with financial crimes, for the murder.

That’s it.

Link to Daily Mail story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2148071/Missing-girl-15-buried-murdered-mobsters-tomb-kidnapped-Vatican-sex-parties-claims-Catholic-Churchs-leading-exorcist-priest.html


71 posted on 05/22/2012 11:06:59 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (hViva Christo Rey!)
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To: Morgana

If it were a confession of what he had done, I would expect him to confess his role.

He appears to be confessing having knowledge of the atrocity, not engaging in it.


72 posted on 05/22/2012 11:07:07 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Is the girl’s kidnapping a fact or a rumor?

Is her sexual exploitation a fact or a rumor?

Is her murder a fact or a rumor?


73 posted on 05/22/2012 11:10:01 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: ansel12

——“It has already previously been stated by (deceased) monsignor Simeone Duca, an archivist at the Vatican, who was asked to recruit girls for parties with the help of the Vatican gendarmes.”——

So the archivist was a priest. But what “has already been previously stated by him”? My best guess from reading this awkward sentence is that Vatican police asked the priest to recruit girls for parties with them.

“Recruited for parties” could mean anything from the annual Christmas party to orgies with cops. Regardless, from this sentence alone, there is no tie to clergy, unless the priest participated in the recruiting —a question left unanswered by this report.


74 posted on 05/22/2012 11:23:37 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (hViva Christo Rey!)
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To: TSgt
Yeah well ALL aren’t proclaiming to be
the universal church either...

Yup...
Hypocrisy is like that
I see it everywhere, especially in myself

But there is plenty of command failure on this site too
“Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself”
is not just a helpful suggestion

It is the Second Great Command

I would suggest finding ways to mend the Body of Christ
But this is "above my Pay Prade"

75 posted on 05/22/2012 11:23:37 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Jones511
You have no evidence, just bald assertions. Libertarians are scum.

You have anything more productive to say, n00b?

76 posted on 05/22/2012 11:24:35 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: HangnJudge

er... Pay Grade

Can’t type worth a dime


77 posted on 05/22/2012 11:28:54 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Altariel

-—Archivist.
Not activist.-—

Yeah. Droid auto-correct. Drives me NUTS! ;-)


78 posted on 05/22/2012 11:30:31 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (hViva Christo Rey!)
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To: Jones511

“Libertarians are scum.”

To paint Libertarians and god-haters and scum is just juvenile stupidity and ignorance on your part.


79 posted on 05/22/2012 11:31:42 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: Morgana

Enough that we don’t know that its unwise for people to make assumptions or blanket statements.


80 posted on 05/22/2012 11:32:46 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

You didn’t seem to know what the archivist was although you read the article, or even if he was male or female, I hope that cleared it up.

The Priest that John Paul II appointed as the head Exorcist was describing what he had learned from the archivist, who was a Monsignor.


81 posted on 05/22/2012 11:33:48 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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To: Altariel

-—Is the girl’s kidnapping a fact or a rumor?
Is her sexual exploitation a fact or a rumor?
Is her murder a fact or a rumor?-—

Read the article and decide for yourself.


82 posted on 05/22/2012 11:36:40 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (hViva Christo Rey!)
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To: Altariel

Its a leap i think to say you know and to confess involvement if these was any. To me if he had knowledge of the events at the time and did nothing he bears a great degree of guilt. From your statements i think you believe the same.


83 posted on 05/22/2012 11:37:16 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: ansel12

——You didn’t seem to know what the archivist was although you read the article, or even if he was male or female, I hope that cleared it up.-—

Yes. TY.

-—The Priest that John Paul II appointed as the head Exorcist was describing what he had learned from the archivist, who was a Monsignor.——

Yes. That’s evident from the Daily Mail article. I’m just frustrated by both ambiguous reports.


84 posted on 05/22/2012 11:42:47 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (hViva Christo Rey!)
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To: Altariel

Libertarians are scum.

The Libertarian party platform endorses sexual perversion:

“Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.”

The Libertarian Party platform endorses abortion:

“Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”

So do you condemn Libertarians the same way that you try to smear the church with the rantings from a blog?


85 posted on 05/22/2012 11:43:33 AM PDT by Jones511
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To: Triple

The Libertarian party platform endorses sexual perversion:

“Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.”

The Libertarian Party platform endorses abortion:

“Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”


86 posted on 05/22/2012 11:44:23 AM PDT by Jones511
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To: joe fonebone

You are projecting you worthless piece of crap.


87 posted on 05/22/2012 11:45:38 AM PDT by Jones511
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To: joe fonebone

So do you endorse homosexuality and abortion like the Libertarian platform does?

Go screw yourself freak.


88 posted on 05/22/2012 11:48:36 AM PDT by Jones511
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To: Jones511

I smell a retread. This isn’t your first time here.


89 posted on 05/22/2012 11:52:57 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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To: Altariel

I’m gonna have to see waaay more evidence before I believe this.
And no, I’m not Catholic.


90 posted on 05/22/2012 12:01:54 PM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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To: TSgt

-—Yeah well ALL aren’t proclaiming to be the universal church either...——

Are you saying that the priests of Christ’s universal Church should be without sin? Or without serious sin?

Either way, the idea doesn’t seem biblical.


91 posted on 05/22/2012 12:03:39 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (hViva Christo Rey!)
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To: Altariel

An archivist, not necessarily a priest.

AND from the article:

“Father Amorth also said that “diplomatic staff from a foreign embassy to the Holy See” were also involved.”

Where does it say that the diplomatic staff was anything but just that? The Vatican is a separate state and often receives diplomatic staffs, not just Catholic ones.


92 posted on 05/22/2012 12:24:52 PM PDT by kitkat (Obama, ROPE and CHAINS.)
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To: Jones511

Those who kidnapped, sexually exploited and murdered the girl condemned themselves.

I think most rational people want those who abuse and exploit others to be tried and punished.

How fascinating that instead of condemning exploitation and abuse, you prefer to smear those who expose them?

Those are the actions of those who seek to cover up sin and abuse, not those who wish them to be brought to light.


93 posted on 05/22/2012 12:26:05 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

They shouldn’t rape children but that’s been a slight problem for the church hasn’t it?...


94 posted on 05/22/2012 12:29:20 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: TSgt

>>>Yeah well ALL aren’t proclaiming to be the universal church either...>>>

And neither is the Catholic church. It simply says it is universal for all peoples who want to join. It does NOT claim to be the only church in existence.


95 posted on 05/22/2012 12:45:14 PM PDT by kitkat (Obama, ROPE and CHAINS.)
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To: TSgt

>>>Yeah well ALL aren’t proclaiming to be the universal church either...>>>

And neither is the Catholic church. It simply says it is universal for all peoples who want to join. It does NOT claim to be the only church in existence.


96 posted on 05/22/2012 12:50:41 PM PDT by kitkat (Obama, ROPE and CHAINS.)
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To: joe fonebone
You're not playing by the rules:

Please enjoy our forum, but also please remember to use common courtesy when posting and refrain from posting personal attacks, profanity, vulgarity, threats.....
97 posted on 05/22/2012 2:06:35 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: Jones511

Please enjoy our forum, but also please remember to use common courtesy when posting and refrain from posting personal attacks, profanity, vulgarity, threats...

Can you two take it out back. I’m trying to read discourse about the article posted not a couple of guys ranting about something off topic. Geez!


98 posted on 05/22/2012 2:11:12 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: keats5

What “business” of it is it Insider Business news’?

Do they also regularly account public school sex corruption?

City governments like the Democrat homosexual lobbyist in Houston who as murdered at home and had the evidence “buried” with subsequent arson to the murder?

What makes something “newsworthy” to a specialty publication on investments?


99 posted on 05/22/2012 2:23:24 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Altariel

What sort of “clues” would be buried in a mobster’s tomb? Files? Photographs? Another body?


100 posted on 05/22/2012 2:31:19 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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