Skip to comments.Witness tampering in Trayvon Martin case?
Posted on 05/23/2012 7:45:03 AM PDT by Fido969
Any cop knows that witness testimony is flimsy at best, with more than one witness to a crime typically differing on half a dozen different aspects of a case. But one thing is a given: cops go with the first testimony a witness givesnot the one likely impacted later by family, friends and the court of public opinion.
And so it will go with George Zimmermans defense lawyer as well, when the Trayvon Martin shooting case finally goes to trial.
Until then, however, the fact that four witnesses have changed their stories somewhat should make the public concerned about witness tampering as a possibility.
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
They are blind to the fact that, instead, this bolsters Zimmerman's case, and indicts the one-sided media frenzy that initiated this case.
Next - We already know that Crump was in contact with witness DeeDee for 5-6 days before DeeDee spoke to the police - did Crump talk to any other witnesses?
"So, before you changed your testimony - just what outside information related to this case were you exposed to? Also, what is your personal feeling about George Zimmerman?"
When the facts don’t support the narrative, then the facts MUST be changed.
The left wouldn’t know a fact if it rose up and bit them on the butt.
A lot of those lefty butts are a mass of contusions, and they hardly notice.
Intellectually, they're the archtypical dead-end kids.
And we already know Crump lied about DeeDee:
1) She wasn’t the girlfriend.
2) She wasn’t on the phone with him at the time.
3) She wasn’t so crushed that she had to be hospitalized so was unable to attend the funeral.
"DeeDee" has never spoken with the police. She's refused to speak to the police. She's only spoken with Benjamin Crump and other Martin counsel and the prosecutor's team. Let me grab the rest of the facts and get back to you on that.
Is this the first alleged murder that the lefties think is guilty and deserves the death penalty? It seems odd to me that these folks are normally arguing against convictions based on the tightest of evidence and here they are willing to accept any evidence to prove that Zimmerman is guilty.
This is obivous it’s witness intimidation. Otherwise why are they talking to them numerous times? These people saw something of very short duration. It’s not like they could think of something new. And apparently they didn’t. They thought of something DIFFERENT.
If Zimmerman is found guilty, people who are for justice everywhere should not accept the verdict.
Crump should have gone immediately to the police with the information and let them speak with the “child”.
Bet those 4 witness are knee grow.
4) The parents didn’t know anything about DeeDee.
At one point it was reported Mr. Martin assumed she was a girlfriend because he supposedly found her number on Skittle’s cell. Of course, that idea might have been planted by Crump or not. Crump’s been caught in so many outlandish lies he needs to have his license yanked.
She never reported her phone call to Trayvon Mitchell to anyone, but Tracy Martin (the father) finally got the phone records and found that Trayvon had spend a long time on the phone with a certain number, and had texted the same number, a lot on the day he died. This may have been after he figured out a password on the phone; I don't know. Note: I don't know.
They contacted her.
Crump disclosed her at a March 20 press conference. The press was not allowed to interview her; only he could ask her questions. Crump gave a statement which contradicted her statements (for example, Crump said Martin had his hoodie up because it was raining; Daisha said he put it up because Zimmerman was watching him).
Daisha refused to speak with the police. To my knowledge, the only statement(s) she has given have been to Angela Corey's team.
So when will Holder and the Gang investigate Crump for interfering with Zimmerman’s constitutional rights?
Okay, so whatever?
Witness #12 will be excluded as her recollection can’t be tightened up.
The rest is just how memories stretch into other things as time goes and the lawyers for both sides could easily keep the testimony to 1st impressions.
Any black witness who supports Zimmerman’s statements with testimony is going to be targeted by the lynch mob.
Dee Dee get excluded or her testimony limited.
So long as someone doesn’t Screw up and introduce anything new that wasn’t agreed to before her testimony.
You couldn’t pay me to click on that blog, but here’s a link to an FR thread linking to the original story cited by the blogger.
‘[[Also, what is your personal feeling about George Zimmerman]]
If they klie by changing their testimony, wnhy would they tell the truth abotu a question like thatr?
Don’t be an Azz. “White” guys don’t have rights in a case like this. /s
Could we please use George’s FIRST name for a change folks? And use Martin’s last name. Please.
That is so cool. The defense ought to call her as a witness. I highly doubt that Crump. Corey and Co. would want her on the stand. She would either tell the truth and blow their case. Or she would lie like a rug and perjure herself.
Either way - Bring on Dee Dee’s “testimony!”
... And use Martins last name. Please.
I prefer to use his Twitter name.
NO LIMIT NIGGA.
I feel it brings an honest sense of openness as to who the young man really was.
Florida State University School of Law:
Ben Crump and Daryl Parks: The Reverend Al Sharpton calls them the next Johnny Cochrans.
I don’t think it will matter much. The one key piece of evidence will be the ballistics trajectory. It should show that the only possible scenario for the shooting was for Zimmerman to be on the ground, with Martin on top of him, being shot from underneath. If the witnesses all of the sudden contradict that physical evidence, then it will be clear they are perjuring themselves.
If Zimmerman’s found guilty, it will be time to march on the jail, old school.
Witnesses that change their story, just neutralize themselves. Possible that the eyewitnesses end up being zero sum, and all that’s left is physical evidence. Still a win for George.
I don't have any handle on the interval between Martin/Crump finding DeeDee, and DeeDee's first public appearance. I agree that speaking to Crump first can be seen as imputing some risk of taint, the bigger risk is that she had access to a series of 911 recordings before she made her first statement.
If you mean that they didn't know she'd been on the phone with Trayvon that day, I'd say a good maybe ... maybe quite probably. But DeeDee claims to have know Trayvon since kindergarten, so I would guess that Tracy and Sybrina had at least a passing awareness of her. I think DeeDee and Trayvon were good friends, but not that they shared the same circles of friends. They weren't "an item," I think everybody but Crump agrees.
I think conservativetreehouse is wrong on that point. I found a different twitter account that much more closely matches a person who felt a substantial affection for Trayvon, and who continued to "help his case" more than a month after the shooting. Diasha's tweets are similar to those of a person who know Trayvon, but didn't have a deep affection. I would guess his circle, of that nature, numbered 10-40 people.
I think it's better than that.
Witness 12 already said she was influenced by the media. Any negative information that came out after the media blitz could be attributed to that. That would also bolster Zimmerman's case that the case has been irrevocably tainted.
Even better - HOW did these witnesses become tainted? Think like a lawyer - they saw the news stories, which came from Sharpton and Jackson, which, in turn, came from Crump and Company. So, how would you show HOW the witnesses were tainted? You'd introduce the stories, and get source of the stories to testify. You could then point out all the lies they told in the press - Crump's ever-changing narrative. You could get the media editors on the stand and ask them why they gave creedence to Jackson and Sharpton, whether they knew about Brawley, Duke, etc. You could ask them whether, based on their years of experience in the news industry, if they would expect these stories would influence public opinion. All your doing is establishing how the witnesses were exposed to misleading information. You also get the race-baiters on the stand, under oath, to admit that the original narrative was wrong.
Her testimony stops before the self defense case begins. She's useless to beat Zimmerman's assertion that his use of force was justified.
Fascinating. Does that person tweet during the funeral? What does that person tweet about immediately after the shooting and the day after the shooting? Please feel free to FReemail if you prefer.
The phone records Crump produced have (if I remember) a combination of almost 400 minutes plus texts on the day Trayvon was shot - all to one number (Crump counted each text as if it were a full minute on the phone). For Zimmerman, that phone number is "DeeDee."
Two points. First, the PST thing is an artifact of bad website programming. The words "pacific time" are hardcoded in the html sent to the browser. The times of the calls are NOT hardcoded digits, they are universal time representations that are converted to local time by the local browser. Long story short, the call+log.pdf file is showing FL times.
The other point is that some of those calls overlap, and it is impossible for all of them to be DeeDee. For example, there is a 1-minute incoming call at 7:04, completely contained in the 6:54+18 minute incoming (probably DeeDee) call.
There are also overlapping calls out to North Dade. A 6:45+5 in combination with a 6:46+2. The 6:46-6:48 call is entirely within the 6:45-6:50 window, no matter how you do the rounding.
No, I typed what I meant. She wasn’t on the phone with him that evening. It was proven from her facebook that was screen captured and posted on the internet. You can see it here:
Make that Twitter instead of FB.
I don't recall. March 3, 2012 ... yes, she is tweeting on that day. She's complaining about PizzaHut delivery (they won't answer the phone, two different numbers); chatted about going to some fair. That's all I see on March 3.
-- What does that person tweet about immediately after the shooting and the day after the shooting? --
This isn't comprehensive.
i hate when people spell "want" like "wont" 0.o 9:23 PM - 26 Feb 12IIRC, @JetMan_Twin is a handle used by Trayvon's older brother or maybe a cousin. At any rate, I recall that @JetMan_Twin is a relative.
i love the feeling of crackin my knucles ... *Shrugs ... 9:33 PM - 26 Feb 12
&& NO one knows me better than God .. 9:34 PM - 26 Feb 12
i want some RED pumps 9:54 PM - 26 Feb 12 [watching Oscar awards]
Makes me wish I would've opened my mouth ... 3:14 PM - 27 Feb 12
God makes no mistakes ... 3:22 PM - 27 Feb 12
Worst feeling n the world is not knowing if your loved one made it to heaven or not... 1:46 PM - 28 Feb 12
i'm sorry for your lost ... i loved that boy so much, & i know its hard for u to qo thru, but God knows best @JetMan_Twin <3 4:30 PM - 28 Feb 12
"Auntie Mike" appears to be a pet name that whoever is tweeting, uses for Trayvon.
everybody knew My Auntie Mike lol 4:36 PM - 28 Feb 12I'm going to leave a big gap in time here, but make a couple of remarks about what I observed reading 100's of pages of tweets by this person. Trayvon is mentioned often, but not every day. Somewhere around March 15 or so there seems to be an increase in the rate of remarking about Trayvon, FWIW. Anyway, these struck me as noteworthy enough to copy to a plaintext summary.
I lost my flesh ,, it's somewhere out there stranded ... 7:25 PM - 28 Feb 12
Depressed is not even the word ,,, but I promise ima shake it ..... 8:04 PM - 28 Feb 12
[From] @_YOURhiqhness: done cried like 5 times so far this morning .. DeAnglo hugged me so softly & sweetly it made me cry even harder ..
[To] @_YOURhiqhness we'll definitely get thru this with God's help.. 8:37 AM - 28 Feb 12
[To] @_YOURhiqhness bol i think we talkin bout the same person 11:51 AM - 29 Feb 12
smh ... i'm takin this really hard tonight ... :/ 29 Feb
:/// i miss that man,, so much ... 29 Feb
[To] @JetMan_Twin hey, when is Tray's funeral and viewing gona be ? 1 Mar
[To] @RIP_TRAY9 hi, is Tray's viewinq qonna be tmrw ? 1 Mar
i cannot stop lookin at Trayvon's number in my phone ... :/ damn i miss you #RIPTRAYVONMARTIN 18 Mar
This is the 2nd friend i've lost within about 6 months.. R.I.P Jeff && R.I.P Tray, i love you BOTH very dearly <3 19 Mar
I cannot imagine what Tray's girlfriend is going thru, cause if i ever lost my baby, i'd LOSE it . 22 Mar
To a lot of people "Trayvon Martin" is just a case, but to me he was my friend, he was apart of my daily life . 24 Mar
I'm tired of crying... Last night i thought i got it all out.. but i guess not .. 27 Mar
I know EVERYTHING i'm doing for Tray, if the roles were reversed, he'd do it for me. I love him that kidd.. <3 28 Mar
I'm familiar with that exact cite, "update-10-part-2," and I think the author errs in identification of Daisha as DeeDee.
But, it is not my mission to show that you, or the author of "update-10-part-2," is perhaps mistaken. If you want to think I'm saying "you're right, and I'm wrong," that's fine by me.
And that interview was quite leading.
Except... the time zone on the cell bill is PST/PDT. So the time doesn’t match up. There is a 3 hour difference. Ruh-roh.
Any white witnesses were probably visited by some of Crump's paid consultants...
I noticed the overlapping phone calls and have never been able to reconcile those.
Doesn't it look to you as if Crump is counting each text unit as a full minute of air time?
I'm not saying the one I've excerpted is DeeDee, but the one conservativetreehouse picked reads like any one of 25 casual friends might read. And of course, if you pick a casual friend's tweets (which pretty quickly move on), of course they'll make it look like "Crump is lying about DeeDee, all the way!" They could look at my tweets, if I tweeted, and draw the same conclusion.
-- I noticed the overlapping phone calls and have never been able to reconcile those. --
The phone will accept more than one connection, simultaneously. Depending on the call plan and phone, Trayvon could have switched between callers, or they maybe could share a conference call.
-- Doesn't it look to you as if Crump is counting each text unit as a full minute of air time? --
The part I'm looking at doesn't even count text messages. It is, I think, strictly an accounting of voice connections. I don't care if DeeDee and Martin were on the phone for 400 minutes, or 100 - either way it's lots of time.
If you listen to the DeeDee interview near the end she says something to the effect she has/had no interest in basketball or the NBA game. But the treehouse DeeDee tweeted about watching the game if i recall correctly.
The one I have is watching Oscars on the 26th, and makes ONE remark about NBA, that being a "retweet" (spreading somebody else's remark)
Sanford cops knew about numerous complaints about aggressive behavior from Trayvon Martin's killer. huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/geo... #ArrestZimmerman [Mar 13 retweet of @red3blog]
Happened durin the NBA AllStar weekend and Zimmerman still sleeps at home while Trayvon's fam had to bury their teenage son #ArrestZimmerman [Mar 13 retweet of @ScorpioSoulJeff]
Why is Sheriff Bill Lee jr. Protecting Zimmerman? Are they friends or something? Zimmerman is getting the victim treatment #ArrestZimmerman [Mar 13 retweet of @AshleyHardemon]
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