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Is Obama as bright as he seems? New evidence reveals his college class got lower SAT scores than W
Daily Mail Online ^ | 23 May 2012 | Julian Gavaghan

Posted on 05/23/2012 2:33:07 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

Is Obama as right as he seems? New evidence reveals his college class got lower SAT scores than Dubya

Average SAT score of Obama's 1981 transfer group to Columbia was 1,100

Bush got into Yale with score of 1,206 out of 1,600

Obama refuses to release his academic record

Barack Obama may have got worse high school grades than George W Bush after new evidence showed the current president was among a college class with poor average SAT scores.

Doubts about the supposedly superior intellect of Mr Obama were first raised after he refused to release his academic record.

He has also made some factual errors during his time in the job – although he is still a very long way behind his gaff-prone predecessor.

But now it has emerged that Mr Obama was among a 1981 intake of transfers to New York’s Columbia University that was at the time branded one of the worst ever.

The president, who moved from Occidental Community College in Los Angeles, was among 67 students whose average combined math and verbal score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test is a 1,100, according to a report obtained by Breitbart News.

By comparison, Mr Bush – who earned a history degree from Yale in 1968 – got 1206 out of a possible 1600 points in the same test he took at Andover boarding school in Massachusetts.

If Mr Obama, who majored in political science at Columbia, were near the average of that year, it would mean he had worse high school grades than a president derided by many as the dumbest in history.

Of course, Mr Obama went on to distinguish himself by going on to earn the second highest honour in a graduate law degree at Harvard.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Education; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; barackobama; bho; bho44; columbia; georgewbush; gwb; ivyleague; potus; sat; stupidisasstupiddoes; thebellcurve; yale
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1 posted on 05/23/2012 2:33:25 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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Photobucket Hiding his grades? Barack Obama was a Columbia student in the early 1980s. He has refused to release his academic record and now a report sugests that he was among one of the lowest ever achieving group of transfer students to the university in New York
2 posted on 05/23/2012 2:35:48 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Obama is a blithering idiot. It doesn’t take a PhD to discover that in public he is a rambling fool. I have under my ‘favorites’ a plethora of his blunders and bloopers!


3 posted on 05/23/2012 2:35:48 PM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: DogByte6RER

Obama seems bright?


4 posted on 05/23/2012 2:36:40 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: DogByte6RER

Over 1000 was considered poor back then? Jeez, I thought my score of lower than 900 in what, 2002, 2003 was fairly terrible. Now I find out an average of 1,100 was considered poor. I guess my score was downright lower than the depths of the Marianas Trench.

But go figure, I scored 70 on the ASVAB in 2004.


5 posted on 05/23/2012 2:36:53 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: DogByte6RER

Obama got a 420 on math and 510 on verbal. Tops.


6 posted on 05/23/2012 2:38:00 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: IbJensen

Oh, oh, do you have a link?

(I’ll probably have to clean my ears out with bleach and a power drill after watching it, though)


7 posted on 05/23/2012 2:38:21 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: DogByte6RER

Well OBVIOUSLY his scores elevated the whole group. Without his brilliance making up for their stupidity they would not have broke 1000... /S


8 posted on 05/23/2012 2:38:55 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: IbJensen

Me too! I would like a link!


9 posted on 05/23/2012 2:41:00 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: KansasGirl
Obama seems bright?
Not to me.
10 posted on 05/23/2012 2:41:47 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: DogByte6RER

Obama: “SUCKERS!”


11 posted on 05/23/2012 2:43:26 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: DogByte6RER

It’s amazing that these bits and pieces on the current dope in the WH are coming from a foreign news source. Where are the US sources?


13 posted on 05/23/2012 2:58:02 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.)
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To: wastedyears

And they let you in with a 70 on the ASVAB?


14 posted on 05/23/2012 2:58:18 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: DogByte6RER

Just finishing my 20th year in the high school classroom. The notion that SAT is the essential measurement of intelligence is, in my experience, tremendously overstated. It is one mere benchmark among many.


15 posted on 05/23/2012 3:00:25 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Is Obama as bright as he seems?

Is this is a trick question?

16 posted on 05/23/2012 3:02:15 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: DogByte6RER

000bama got straight As in Dr. Alinsky’s classes.


17 posted on 05/23/2012 3:07:07 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Is Obama as bright as he seems?

I would rather know if he's as dumb as he seems. But, then again, I live in NC so I might get arrested for asking that question.

18 posted on 05/23/2012 3:08:48 PM PDT by twhitak
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To: wastedyears

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHIUdMVN_V0&feature=related


19 posted on 05/23/2012 3:13:24 PM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: DogByte6RER
Is Obama as right as he seems?

I'd have to say yes.

He seems like an idiot and he is one.

20 posted on 05/23/2012 3:13:51 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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21 posted on 05/23/2012 3:14:25 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: DogByte6RER

I yield to no one in my loathing of the current occupant of the White House. However, this article is total b.s., similar to the kind of statistical nonsense that the left loves to proffer. The fact that the AVERAGE score among the 67 people in Obama’s group was lower than Bush’s score proves absolutely nothing about Obama’s score. He could have had a 1600 (I doubt it) and brought the average up, or he could have had an 800, which brought the average down, while using his skin color and alleged Kenyan birth to get accepted.

If someone wants to do some real statistical analysis—here’s a plan: Assuming that the scores of the other 66 transfer students haven’t yet been put under lock and key, add those individual scores up. Subtract that total from (67*1100) and the remainder would be Obama’s score.


22 posted on 05/23/2012 3:14:41 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Don't let Julia fool ya. Socialism doesn't work.)
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To: autumnraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAuk5c3dLyg


23 posted on 05/23/2012 3:14:59 PM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: DogByte6RER

The article is nonsense, but Obama’s scores did not matter anyway because he is nothing more than a product of affirmitave action.


24 posted on 05/23/2012 3:30:56 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk
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To: DogByte6RER

When did Obama ever appear smart? Leftists always confuse arrogance and smugness with intelligence. Likewise, they confuse equivocating with deep thought.


25 posted on 05/23/2012 3:36:49 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: DogByte6RER

How bright does Obama seem? He may or may not be smarter than Biden. That’s about as bright as he seems to me. But as dumb as he is, America is dumber for electing him, even if McCain was the alternative, which was pretty dumb.


26 posted on 05/23/2012 3:36:56 PM PDT by pallis
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I took the SAT 3 times and attended a prep course for it. My best score was 1200. I was a cheerleader, on yearbook staff, Latin club president, worked Toys For Tots every Christmas, and in the National Honor Society. I also got turned down from 3/5 colleges I applied to. Screw affirmative action!
27 posted on 05/23/2012 3:44:26 PM PDT by Casie
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To: DogByte6RER

Is Obama as bright as he seems?

Yes, his IQ hovers around 90.


28 posted on 05/23/2012 3:48:24 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Who but Obama kiss asses think Obama is so smart?


29 posted on 05/23/2012 3:49:32 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New should be considered c American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: DeweyShootem

FWIW, there is apparently no evidence that the WP ever published this.


30 posted on 05/23/2012 3:54:33 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: DogByte6RER
of course the boy is an idiot... if he wasn't, they'd be blasting his grades everywhere saying how much smarter he is than Bush, but they can't, cause he's not!!!
31 posted on 05/23/2012 4:05:24 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: DogByte6RER

He is an EOP. He was born an EOP; he lives as an EOP; and when he is old will die as an EOP!


32 posted on 05/23/2012 4:10:27 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: DogByte6RER

In 1973 I scored 1440 on the SAT, 720 math and 720 verbal. I saw through this narcissistic poser from the start.


33 posted on 05/23/2012 4:25:06 PM PDT by clashfan (know your rights)
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To: clashfan

Add 100 points each to those scores to norm for todays students.


34 posted on 05/23/2012 4:29:13 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Sarajevo

Where are US sources? In the tank for Obama! except Rush, Beck, and ???


35 posted on 05/23/2012 4:54:20 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: DogByte6RER; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice; zot; Alamo-Girl

Remember the qualification for being a genius for the leftists is a complete belief in communism, socialism and the state running everyone’s life and being told what to think and believe.

The qualification for being dumber than a rock (except that they had a rating below this for Reagan and GW Bush) is a belief in individual liberty, the Constitution, economic freedom, faith in God, respect for the family, and the traditions that were taught to all Americans prior to the begining of the communist takeover after WWII.


36 posted on 05/23/2012 5:00:06 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Sarajevo

US media assuming the position.

37 posted on 05/23/2012 5:06:26 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Obama got a 420 on math

Heh.
38 posted on 05/23/2012 6:14:53 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: DogByte6RER

Obama absolutely is as bright as he seems. . . which is to say, not very.


39 posted on 05/23/2012 7:39:53 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: DogByte6RER

GWB was a cutie.


40 posted on 05/23/2012 7:40:51 PM PDT by Roses0508
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To: GreyFriar

Your post # 36 is right on the money. Thanks.


41 posted on 05/23/2012 8:18:34 PM PDT by zot
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To: LucyT
Highly speculative, but wouldn't surprise me. After all, standardized testing is racist. </sarc>
42 posted on 05/23/2012 8:45:45 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: GreyFriar

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear GreyFriar!


43 posted on 05/23/2012 9:10:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: DogByte6RER
The main point here seems to have been missed. That is:

Why has Obozo spent a fortune sequestering virtually everything about his past?

44 posted on 05/23/2012 9:40:16 PM PDT by econjack
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To: Slings and Arrows; GreyFriar; LucyT; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; ...
Ping................

Highly speculative, but wouldn't surprise me. After all, standardized testing is racist.

Dont miss #36.

45 posted on 05/24/2012 6:00:56 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: DogByte6RER
From the article:

But, the possibility that he got lower high school scores than Mr Bush, would take some of the shine off his image as an intellectual heavyweight.

With all the Jabs at President Bush, the media is bringing up the taboos.

If ORIGINAL education records were published, 0b0z0's DUMBNESS and fraud would bring down his presidency in a matter of days.

The "black knight in shining armor" picture created by the MSM will collapse and the self-proclaimed "intellectual Left” is blown up into pieces. That would trigger 0b0z0's Communists' total collapse before the election.

46 posted on 05/24/2012 6:29:59 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: clashfan
Dear Mr. 1440,
Hate (actually love) to rain on a fine young fellow's parade, but by your era, the SAT's had already gone through several rounds of dumb-down. Sorry.

However, for a person of your generation, this was a damned fine achievement. Good on the Maths, especially.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled Obama-bash.
Of course the young Barry was a terrible student in HS, and had very sub-par SATs, and very low grades. Must have been a bit of a pariah at olde Punahou, which is a pretty darn good school.
This is why he was shipped off to Ho-Hum Occidental in the first place, instead of the Ivy League.

In that era, any young fellow with a medium melanin component and even semi-decent grades and reasonably credible SATs would have been a shoo-in for a free ride at New England's finest colleges.

However, it was at olde Occidental that he fell under the sway of the Gay Activist, overtly Communist Mentor, Professor Lawrence Goldyn.

Which leads to an interesting question: Goldyn was (is) good pals with Ayers. Did Ayers know Obama through Goldyn, or vice versa? This just gets curioser and curioser.

47 posted on 05/24/2012 6:31:13 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: NEMDF

When I went in (74) we had a bunch of guys in the company with GCT/ARI scores of 23. The minimum was supposed to be 25. I don’t know how it relates to the ASVAB score.


48 posted on 05/24/2012 6:35:15 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: GreyFriar; DogByte6RER; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice; zot; Alamo-Girl
Just heard something disturbing on olde NPR!

Romney and Obama were exchanging views on Capitalism. Romney was saying "Mr. Obama just doesn't understand capitalism, etc. etc. etc."

Obama stumbled badly in his incoherent babbling "class warfare" reply. BUT Romney came across as superior, carrying the point, but IMHO, in a rather smarmy and condescending way.

The danger is that Obama will get sympathy ... not rigorous analysis. Romney could sure use a sense of humor.

Skewer the guy, don't bludgeon him! Maybe a Birth Certificate joke or two?

49 posted on 05/24/2012 6:39:41 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: DogByte6RER
Of course, Mr Obama went on to distinguish himself by going on to earn the second highest honour in a graduate law degree at Harvard.

This has never, ever been documented. most of his classmates at Harvard Law School felt he was a bloviating affirmative action baybe.

50 posted on 05/24/2012 6:53:18 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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