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Posted on 05/25/2012 8:35:56 PM PDT by mamelukesabre

I became hyper-interested in canids awhile back when I read something about coy-wolf hybrids in the northeast part of the US. I've been reading about them lately. I know there is an ongoing effort to "re-introduce" wolves into certain parts of the united states. This upsets a lot of folks and makes others giddy with excitement.

So, I am sharing my only personal wolf story I can because it is the only one I have. It isn't much since they've been extinct in these parts for a very long time.

My cousin used to tell me stories about the old-timers hanging dead wolves from the eaves of their porch when he was a small boy. This would've been in the early 60s. He and I were business partners for awhile so we used to trade stories a lot. Sometimes I would wonder about the stories he told me and try to double check them by asking his brother, sister, and dad. This wolf story was one of those that I doubted since according to official history, wolves were extinct in that part of the country way before the time period he speaks of.

So I had a discussion with his dad one time when I was out to the old farm doing some odd stuff for him.

He told me "oh gosh no, those weren't wolves...he was mistaken and wasn't old enough to know the difference." I felt like the air was let out of me because I wanted it to be true. Then he said "those were wolf-dogs...half wolf, half dog...bigger and meaner than real wolves".

So then I said to him "you know, according to the experts there were no wolves alive in this area after the 1800s?" He says "yeah, I suppose. They might be right"

Then I say "well, if they were extinct in the 1800s, how the hell you get any wolf dog hybrids around here a hundred years later?"

He says: "Ya got me there, I guess there had to have been at least one more wolf around cuz those were not dogs. They were wolfdogs...And they were a serious problem around here in the 1960s. We were all out to get them around here. I bought a mauser to shoot them with."

Then I said "your son told me he remembers the dead wolves hanging from the eaves of someone's porch around here and they were so big, they were almost touching the ground."

"Yep...that was [i forget the name]'s place. He was old and strange and would hang them by the neck from the roof of his porch and the hind legs would be pretty close to the ground...let 'em hang til they rotted to nuthin. Those wolfdogs treed me once when I was new to this area. I was out on my old ford tractor pulling a wagon and mending fence. My dog warned me and I dropped what I was doing and ran up a tree while he kept them busy as long as he could. Best dog I ever had. He was free...came with the farm...lived under the porch. I was in that tree a long time waiting for the wolfdogs to move on."

I asked around after that. I decided the story wasn't made up.

Another person from that area told me there was a highway cut through some hills and it disrupted the hunting ground of a small isolated pack of wolves. The pack scattered and was on the run. Just a small number survived and bred with feral dogs. The resulting hybrids formed a pack and terrorized the area for years. This was the theory they come up with because the wolfdogs appeared shortly after a new stretch of highway was cut through some virgin hills.


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To: txhurl

A mastiff/wolf hybrid. That could surely be interesting, lol. Pretty calm, but how in the world would you keep a dog that big contained with their wandering instinct?

Your pup is beautiful.

Sure makes me miss my old guy...as much as a pain in the rump as he was. I have an ancient Lab right now that can snore loud enough to raise the roof. He was best buds with my hybrid. He really greived when the Old Guy left. He doesn’t hunt or even look tough! But he’s pretty sweet.


51 posted on 05/25/2012 10:34:15 PM PDT by berdie
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To: txhurl

Now, that’s my idea of a dog. No Shitzus for this guy.


52 posted on 05/25/2012 10:35:56 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: mamelukesabre
I think the worst part about a hybrid is that they don’t give a damn about humans yelling and waiving their arms and stamping their feet and shooting guns in the air.

Ours was a wolf/huskie mix, and was the worst damn guard dog you've ever seen. He'd make friends with anyone who pulled up the road, but heaven help you if you came in our house without first being introduced to him. I don't think I could have held him back.

53 posted on 05/25/2012 10:42:20 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

If you google it, it looks like a werewolf. Don’t click on it, though, it takes you somewhere suspicious.


54 posted on 05/25/2012 10:42:20 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: Windflier

I don’t think mine ever looked at me with the total adoration my others have, lol.

I always thought of him much like a cat...I will own you, but you will never own me...so feed me right now!


55 posted on 05/25/2012 10:43:39 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie
I don’t think mine ever looked at me with the total adoration my others have, lol.

Same with ours, but in unguarded moments, he could be like a big ole puppy. That normally didn't last long, and he'd soon revert to Lord and Master beingness. He had an interesting mind, that one. I don't think I ever quite figured him out.

Still, he loved his family, and I know that he would have given his life for us in a fight.

56 posted on 05/25/2012 10:50:21 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: txhurl
If you google it, it looks like a werewolf.

Hmm...no thanks. People post the weirdest crap to the internet. I know what a wolf hybrid looks like already.

57 posted on 05/25/2012 10:52:03 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Kill them all


58 posted on 05/25/2012 11:10:40 PM PDT by dila813
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To: mamelukesabre

I had a wolf hybrid from 1963 to 1974. He weighed 120 lbs. Solid muscle. Fast as lightning. Very sharp teeth. He took a Weimarener apart on my front lawn when it trespassed on our property. When we moved from Federal Way, WA to Chula Vista, CA, he had to stay in the back yard instead of roaming free. It took the same grade of chain used around the elephants feet at the San Diego Zoo to keep him tied out. The lightweight crap sold at pet shops pulled apart like a cheap suit when he pulled on it. He was very loyal and very intelligent. People outside the immediate family were treated with suspicion. He would leave food on the table untouched until given permission to eat it. My dad allowed him to sit at the table with family on special occasions. He waa a great “dog”.


59 posted on 05/25/2012 11:15:06 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Copenhagen Smile

Their advantage to eating humans is we are an easy snack...No fur or tough hide to chew throught to get to the meat. No fangs or claws to fight back and cannot kick like a deer....


60 posted on 05/25/2012 11:16:49 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: mamelukesabre

You mean like this big?

http://www.huntandtell.com/2009/06/18/huge-wolf/


61 posted on 05/25/2012 11:35:28 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Sorry, they’re not known to inhabit my part of the country (Southeast) but they are beautiful creatures. I’ve only seen pictures unfortunately. My DH has seen coyotes around here and also a red fox being chased by neighborhood dogs a couple of years ago. Wish I had a story to share though! Fascinating reading.


62 posted on 05/26/2012 12:00:29 AM PDT by ASouthernGrl (BHO sucks)
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To: berdie
My brother raised a McKenzie Shepherd. Supposedly, 75% Timber Wolf. Incredible dog, but I couldn't have done that. He was more than a handful. Took three years to settle him down. Jet black, belligerent, intelligent as hell.

When he was a puppy, and had those sharp toenails, he could climb a tree like a cat.

He'd play this game with us, where I'd swim out into the middle of a small lake, probably 300 yards out, on a boat cushion. He'd come out and get me, grab that cushion in his mouth, and turn for shore. I'd grab hold of his tail, and he'd tow me in. Absolute beast of a swimmer. He loved that water.

63 posted on 05/26/2012 12:21:47 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet

Don’t need no wolf or wolf cross, I got Jack Russel’s.


64 posted on 05/26/2012 3:47:50 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road

I’ll bet Jack isn’t as obnoxious as Mack. He was half-human, half Tasmanian Devil. But he never bit anyone, which is a tribute to the way my brother raised him.


65 posted on 05/26/2012 4:08:41 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: mamelukesabre

Had a red coon hound who wolved his dinner down. Pure Alpha Male who destroyed a 140lb German Sheppherd in a fight; probably bad ass enough to take on the average wolf...


66 posted on 05/26/2012 5:15:46 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: mamelukesabre

Fascinating topic!


67 posted on 05/26/2012 6:58:21 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: mamelukesabre
There is absolutely no justification for the subsidized propagation of a predatory species in an area inhabited and frequented by human beings.

Anyone who is convinced otherwise is an enemy of humanity.

68 posted on 05/26/2012 7:03:50 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; afraidfortherepublic; ...
WOOOF!

The Doggie Ping list is for FReepers who would like to be notified of threads relating to all things canid. If you would like to join the Doggie Ping Pack (or be unleashed from it), FReemail me.

69 posted on 05/26/2012 7:11:53 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: maine-iac7
Thats one smart dog!

My old lab (bless his late heart), would probably have tried to play with the coyotes had he ever come across any.

One time this kid was pulling his tail and he sat down, kept very still, and cried. Didn't even try to move away because the kids hands were still on his tail.

A gentle canine sould, but exactly bright...

70 posted on 05/26/2012 7:21:40 AM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: txhurl

***Wolf-dogs have to be entirely fenced in, no two ways about it.****

My wife’s nephew used to raise these. They were beautiful and the neighbors though they were sweet dogs.

Then a local newspaper interviewed him and reported they were WOLF-DOGS!

Instant panic in the neighborhood. He had to get rid of them.


71 posted on 05/26/2012 7:42:21 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: mamelukesabre

I think along those lines about domesticated humans and free men.


72 posted on 05/26/2012 8:37:39 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: Chgogal

I don’t know. I never saw a pic of them Hard to say how big they really were. Just about anything can be hung from the porch with the feet near the ground if the rope is long enough.


73 posted on 05/26/2012 9:45:34 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: nutmeg

bookmark


74 posted on 05/26/2012 9:47:21 AM PDT by nutmeg (So... Clinton was our first black president, and Obama is our first gay president?)
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To: FlyVet

I know a guy who claims his dog is 1/8th wolf. It just looks like a german shepherd crossed with a husky to me...and seems really mellow.


75 posted on 05/26/2012 12:17:07 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre; All
Wolf Call (Craigslist)
76 posted on 05/26/2012 12:52:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: mamelukesabre

You say northeast US but be more specific. Where is the farm where the wolves were killed?


77 posted on 05/26/2012 1:41:20 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: mamelukesabre
WORKED IN A body shop some years ago.Had a ten year old wolf/Shepperd mix that lived there.Did not care for anybody much,but on the weekends,his food bowl was empty along with the toilet water.
After about three months,I could not stand the treatment he was getting.He took a liking to me as I fed him scraps and fast food.One three day weekend ,I was just devastated at his pitiful condition.So i told the owner I was taking him home.It was explained to me how vicious he was etc.
At the time I was driving a jeep and I told him if he could make it in,he was going home.He did.Wife freaked out but my daughter was popular and had many girlfriends over all the time.He would sit in the backyard proud as can be,tongue hanging out.The kids would run by pet him and move on.Only hangup was,if you wanted to pick up your child,you had to get me or the wife to approve.Once the neighbors figured it out,they loved it!I was so proud of him and I think he was of me RIP,HOBO
78 posted on 05/26/2012 3:32:13 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Ha Ha!


79 posted on 05/26/2012 9:26:04 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: JSteff

Nope,not velvet.

I save the velvet for my Elvis collection.


80 posted on 05/27/2012 6:17:12 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Domestic Church

There is a place here in Ipswich,MA called Wolf Hollow.

My daughter keeps telling me to get there and at my age I’d better hurry.


81 posted on 05/27/2012 6:21:01 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Terry Mross

” I had a grown Colley and she was scared to death of this little puppy.”

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Amazing how your grown dog recognized this little pup as something to be feared.

I hope the little guy was able to rejoin his pack.

We have no wolves in the wild here in MA,at least not yet. I never thought we’d have coyotes here in Eastern MA in my densely populated area, but they are all over the place.


82 posted on 05/27/2012 6:38:12 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: mamelukesabre

The story of the Russian Circus dog being used to start the golden retriever is a myth. The breed is actually quite new, being started by Lord Tweedmouth in 1868. He kept excellent records and so we know exactly what dogs he used. Tweed water spaniels, yellow curly coated retrievers, irish setter, black retrievers and bloodhound were used. Interestingly, if you look at a photo of Crocus (from his first mating which was between a tweed water spaniel and a yellow curly coated retriever) you would be hard pressed not to imagine you were looking at a present day golden retriever.
I don’t know where the Russian Circus dog story began, but it was widely accepted, but was proven to be false as his records are quite complete.
As for bad temperaments, they can crop up if you don’t breed for a correct one. I’ve seen the occasional nasty golden, and it must be guarded against, since it’s a breed that you expect to be trustworthy above all else.


83 posted on 05/29/2012 7:59:19 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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