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To: hopespringseternal
Oh please. You have the same black and white standard for everyone: Either you agree with me and are educated and scientific or you disagree and are therefore an ignorant rube in need of education.

Science isn't based on opinion. It's based on rigorous experimentation and painstaking analysis of the data. There's nothing to agree or disagree about here--either you know and understand the science, or you don't.

Every time you post a link and I explain what I get from it you accuse me of pretending to be more educated than I am.

Every time I have posted a link, you've bent over backwards to try to interpret it as something other than what it is. And you have tried to claim that you know about science, even while making some remarkably, astoundingly unscientific statements.

Who's promising miracles? You keep claiming that evolution is the key to all our understanding.

Oh, this one is easy. Just Google "creationist websites", and the first few hits are those that are promising miracles. Oh, yes, if you'll just donate some money to them or buy their anti-science books, they promise to take away all your doubts about your faith and give you a ticket to heaven. Of course, the reality is that the more they claim that, somehow, proving evolution is equivalent to proving that God does not exist, or that Jesus did not die on the cross for us, the more they make you doubt your faith, for the simple reason that evidence of evolution is ubiquitous and just won't go away. I read about a man who completely rejected Christianity and became an atheist because his creationist parents taught him that evidence of evolution is proof that God doesn't exist. He's probably just one of many like that.

And while those creationist charlatans are offering you heaven (in exchange for your money), all *I* can offer is a better understanding of biology (because evolution *is* the key to understanding biology). And *maybe* that better understanding of biology will help to cure people of disease... well, some diseases aren't curable, but maybe we can help you live with them... well, we can't always do that, either... but at least, we can make people more comfortable so they don't die in pain.

244 posted on 06/05/2012 6:08:49 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
Science isn't based on opinion. It's based on rigorous experimentation and painstaking analysis of the data. There's nothing to agree or disagree about here--either you know and understand the science, or you don't.

Examine anything besides evolution and this is what you find. Evolution is hampered because anyone who poses a difficult question (like Behe) gets labeled a charlatan and is ignored.

Every time I have posted a link, you've bent over backwards to try to interpret it as something other than what it is. And you have tried to claim that you know about science, even while making some remarkably, astoundingly unscientific statements.

I merely pointed out that the link you posted contained the same information from the link I posted. My link stressed the problems with RNA self-replication, your link merely mentioned them. I have to explain complicated engineering issues to people with management and business backgrounds all the time. Their lack of technical expertise doesn't render them stupid. They can't do my job, but trying to mislead or talk down to them is extremely career limiting.

You are basically frustrated that I am not intimidated by your "science medicine man" act. I spent roughly ten years working with and for scientists. Nothing sets off people's BS alert faster than when you pull that act.

all *I* can offer is a better understanding of biology (because evolution *is* the key to understanding biology).

Saying it doesn't make it so. Since evolution is operating at the DNA level and you have vanishingly little of it for older organisms, I really don't see how you can say that. Of course in your eyes doubting you makes me stupid, unscientific, and dishonest.

Your theology is even worse than your evolution arguments.

247 posted on 06/05/2012 8:12:50 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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