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Witnesses Claim Dallas Officer Shot Suspect in the Back
June 3, 2012 ^ | June 3, 2012 | JONATHAN BETZ

Posted on 06/04/2012 7:51:28 AM PDT by fella

Witnesses claim Dallas officer shot suspect in the back

by JONATHAN BETZ

WFAA

Posted on June 3, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Updated today at 7:35 A

DALLAS — Conflicting stories are emerging surrounding Saturday's killing of an armed man by a Dallas police officer.

Police justify the shooting as self-defense, although witnesses report the 21-year-old suspect was shot in the back as he ran from the officer.

John Husband III, 21, of Dallas, was killed Saturday afternoon outside an apartment complex in the 3600 block of Folklore Trail in Oak Cliff.

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This is why every LEO should wear one of those mini visdeo recorders. It's more than obvious that this case will be Travoned, justified or not.
1 posted on 06/04/2012 7:51:35 AM PDT by fella
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To: fella

No video needed. Autopsy will determine.


2 posted on 06/04/2012 7:53:17 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Duh! I lack formal medical training, but I’m pretty sure they can determine these day where a bullet entered a body.


3 posted on 06/04/2012 7:58:52 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Doctor 2Brains
If someone has his face to you, and he is standing sideways perpendicular to you, you have a roughly equal chance of hitting him in his back, his side or his front - the slightest change in trajectory could determine that.
4 posted on 06/04/2012 8:04:55 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Without a video the . . . Locals, are going to Travon this case just like in Stanford Fla. The locals are looking for an excuse to go on a rampage and the truth be damned.


5 posted on 06/04/2012 8:11:57 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: fella

Doesn’t matter what the “eye witness say” Eye witness testimony is known to be seriously unreliable. The forensic investigation/autopsy will determine if the suspect was shot in the back or not.


6 posted on 06/04/2012 8:13:05 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: fella

Medical examiner: Dallas officer shot suspect in the back

DALLAS — The Dallas County Medical Examiner's office has confirmed witness reports that a suspect who was killed by a Dallas police officer on Saturday was shot in the back.
7 posted on 06/04/2012 8:19:02 AM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: fella

Who cares if he shot an armed criminal in the back?


8 posted on 06/04/2012 8:21:02 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: deport
Well, with my eyesight, I shoot at the outlined frame, the silhouette, and if the perp is turned away from me it looks the same as if turned toward me. Perhaps the shooting officer's vision was affected by strong light source or dark outline, or such. Who knows. The officer shot at the silhouette, and hit what he was aiming at however. BTW, if a threat is perceived, even the threat of perhaps a 'turned awy perp' is trying to access a weapon to trun around and use, shoot the perp, end the threat.
9 posted on 06/04/2012 8:27:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

If the Trayvon Martin case has shown anyting it is that blacks care more about skin color than the truth. Why should anyone trust the “eye witnesses” from the ghettos of Dallas?


10 posted on 06/04/2012 8:32:18 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: ltc8k6

What crime?


11 posted on 06/04/2012 8:33:08 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: fella

Cop trying to cuff him and he runs, shoot him. That’s the way it is. If you don’t want to get shot, don’t run.


12 posted on 06/04/2012 8:36:57 AM PDT by Train Collector (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: fella

Cop should be prosecuted for second degree murder and violation of his civil rights.

It is a civil rights violation to shoot a fleeing individual unleash they are an mediate threat to cause serious bodily harm or death. The law in this is clear and widely known within law enforcement agencies.

See 471 US 1 (1985)


13 posted on 06/04/2012 8:39:19 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: ltc8k6

Yikes, ever hear of due process? Are you willing to give LEO that much power? According to the witnesses, the officer didn’t make any effort to chase the suspect, just pulled out the gun and shot him. Since the eyewitnesses are correct thus far and the police dept is being very quiet, I believe the witnesses have credibility at this point.


14 posted on 06/04/2012 8:48:11 AM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: fella
First paragraph at the link (story has been updated)

DALLAS — The Dallas County Medical Examiner's office has confirmed witness reports that a suspect who was killed by a Dallas police officer on Saturday was shot in the back.

OTOH, why was he being arrested? "story" doesn't say. Was he illegally carrying? "Story" doesn't say. Was he trying to flee, as witnesses (his buddies) say; or trying to reach cover & use his weapon? Can't say. Were threats made against the officer, while he struggled to escape? "story" doesn't (can't?) say.

Was "his gun" really a gun? "Story" doesn't say. If it was, a gun, was it his, or a throw-down? I'm pretty certain the witnesses would have mentioned that, but it still can't be ruled out completely, based on the 'story'.

Was he a "good boy" who was 'turning his life around'? Well, we're told he 'wanted to become' a truck driver, and 'wanted to see the world'. Can't tell from the "story" though, if 'he was an A student'; or if he really was a good boy...and neither the linked story, nor a companion (word for word) piece at another TV "news" site, link to any previous or related stories that might answer any of these questions. ...and those are the only two stories that come on Google-News for his name.

Personally, I'm pretty tired of the Lefty meme of "proportional force"--I grew up in the time when the doctrine was "overwhelming force" against enemies and criminals. I'm tired of allowing 'runners' to hole up; cause huge circus-like standoffs for up to days on end, complete with pizza deliveries to the 'poor, unfortunate, misunderstood, 'crying for help' dirtbags. "A bullet in time, saves nine".

15 posted on 06/04/2012 8:49:06 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: SeaHawkFan
The law in this is clear and widely known within law enforcement agencies.

It is also widelyknown among the criminal population.

It is also widely known among the general public that "the law is an ass."

16 posted on 06/04/2012 8:55:01 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Personally, I'm pretty tired of the Lefty meme of "proportional force"

Mega Ditto!!

17 posted on 06/04/2012 9:07:05 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: BLOC77; ltc8k6; fella; SeaHawkFan
For some, due process does not apply if you are black.
18 posted on 06/04/2012 9:09:54 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: ApplegateRanch

What crime did this guy commit?


19 posted on 06/04/2012 9:44:02 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: BLOC77

IIRC, in my state, “Stop or I’ll shoot!” is basically legal. The officer just has to believe you are an imminent threat to the community. 2b

Use of Force in Arrest. –
(1) Subject to the provisions of subdivision (2), a law-enforcement officer is
justified in using force upon another person when and to the extent that he
reasonably believes it necessary:
a. To prevent the escape from custody or to effect an arrest of a person
who he reasonably believes has committed a criminal offense, unless
he knows that the arrest is unauthorized; or
b. To defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes
to be the use or imminent use of physical force while effecting or
attempting to effect an arrest or while preventing or attempting to
prevent an escape.
(2) A law-enforcement officer is justified in using deadly physical force upon
another person for a purpose specified in subdivision (1) of this subsection
only when it is or appears to be reasonably necessary thereby:
a. To defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes
to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical force;
b. To effect an arrest or to prevent the escape from custody of a person
who he reasonably believes is attempting to escape by means of a
deadly weapon, or who by his conduct or any other means indicates
that he presents an imminent threat of death or serious physical
injury to others unless apprehended without delay; or
c. To prevent the escape of a person from custody imposed upon him as
a result of conviction for a felony.
Nothing in this subdivision constitutes justification for willful, malicious or
criminally negligent conduct by any person which injures or endangers any
person or property, nor shall it be construed to excuse or justify the use of
unreasonable or excessive force.


20 posted on 06/04/2012 9:51:55 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: SeaHawkFan

Well, I can certainly point a gun at you over my shoulder as I run away. You could then fire at me and hit me in the back.

It’s fairly common for idiot criminals to do that with a gun, not caring who they hit or where they are pointing their gun.

“Shot in the back” doesn’t necessarily tell us much.


21 posted on 06/04/2012 9:55:15 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

That is a real stretch. A guy running away cannot and would not blindly shoot in a direction about 180 degrees in the opposite direction.


22 posted on 06/04/2012 10:08:51 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: BLOC77

“According to the witnesses, the officer didn’t make any effort to chase the suspect, just pulled out the gun and shot him.”


Now, now. Let’s be fair to the “LEO”. He mistook the fleeing suspect for a rabid poodle and “felt threatened”; therefore, he had to shoot.


23 posted on 06/04/2012 10:10:24 AM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: ltc8k6

What state?


24 posted on 06/04/2012 10:29:22 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

Who can’t shoot over their shoulder?

It’s easy if you don’t care what you hit.

I just tried it with a BB pistol and I had no trouble shooting directly behind me.

Heck, it doesn’t need to be direct, an officer or civilian would just need to see the barrel pointed back towards them.

Then they can fire at the perp.


25 posted on 06/04/2012 11:13:35 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: SeaHawkFan

NC


26 posted on 06/04/2012 11:14:18 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: SeaHawkFan

http://www.jokeroo.com/videos/cool/pistol-trick-shot.html


27 posted on 06/04/2012 11:17:36 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: SeaHawkFan

He’s using a mirror, but he cares what he hits.


28 posted on 06/04/2012 11:18:49 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6; SeaHawkFan

The latest iteration; the link supplied with this thread is no longer valid.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/dallas-police-man-shot-by-officer-had-fully-loaded-weapon-handgun-limbaugh-husband-156926795.html

At the bottom of the updated story, the following is appended:


Here is the complete statement issued Monday by the Dallas Police Department:

On June 2, 2012 John Robert Husband, 02/12/1991, was observed by Dallas Police Officer Leland Limbaugh #10051 driving into the Spring Ridge Apartments at 3600 Folklore Trail without signaling his intent to turn. Two occupants were in the vehicle with suspect Husband. Officer Limbaugh conducted a traffic stop and as he approached, he smelled the odor of marijuana coming from the car. When asked if there were guns or weapons in the vehicle, suspect Husband replied there were not.

Officer Limbaugh requested suspect Husband step out of the vehicle. It was the officer’s intent to pat down suspect Husband to check for weapons. As suspect Husband stepped out of the vehicle and was turning his back to the officer to be patted down, Officer Limbaugh observed the handle of a handgun in Husband’s waistband. Officer Limbaugh grabbed suspect Husband’s hands, attempted to place them behind his back and told Husband not to grab for the gun. Suspect Husband ignored the officer’s commands and began to struggle with the officer, eventually freeing his right hand and reached for the gun in his waistband. Officer Limbaugh, fearing for his life, fired one shot with his left hand that struck suspect Husband near the left shoulder blade. Suspect Husband staggered and fell to the ground and the officer then took the suspect’s weapon, a fully loaded .40 caliber handgun, and placed it on the hood of the police vehicle while waiting for backup officers to arrive. When the backup officers arrived, the two additional occupants of the suspect vehicle were removed and suspect Husband was handcuffed.

Suspect Husband was transported to Methodist Hospital where he was pronounced deceased. The handgun he had in his possession had been reported lost to the Plano Police Department. Marijuana was recovered from suspect Husband’s person. The additional occupants of the vehicle are identified as Xavier Bryant 09/27/1989 and Derrick Epps 12/07/1985. They were interviewed by detectives and released. Officer Limbaugh’s car was not equipped with a video camera. Approximately 92% of all patrol vehicles are equipped with dash cameras. Officer Limbaugh is currently on special assignment.

The Dallas Police Department Special Investigations Unit is responsible for investigating officer involved shootings. They have already interviewed witnesses to the incident, as well as the involved parties. They will also interview any additional witnesses, review physical evidence and results from the Medical Examiner in order to develop findings for the District Attorney to present to a Dallas County Grand Jury. This process is observed in all cases of police officer involved shootings to allow for the impartial arbitration of facts. Any eyewitnesses to the incident are encouraged to call the Special Investigations Unit at (214) 671-3664.


29 posted on 06/04/2012 1:38:19 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Train Collector
BS. Running from cops is not justifiable homicide. The cops are not the judge, jury and executioners of US citizens. If they did this, I hope they fry.
30 posted on 06/04/2012 2:53:45 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: ApplegateRanch

A cop would actually tell a suspect to put his hands behind his back AFTER noticing a gun tucked in the back of his pants and then place the gun on the hood of his police car while waiting for backup?

And on top of that,released the other suspects? At what distance was the suspect from the cop when he was shot?

Since I wasn’t there, I don’t know all the facts; but you are naive if you think a cop wouldn’t lie to save his butt.

Don’t believe everything the police tell you.


31 posted on 06/04/2012 3:34:26 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: ltc8k6

The office better have a good explanation on why he felt the suspect posed an imminent threat. Another question I have is distance of the suspect from the LEO when the shot was fired. We don’t need a bunch of trigger happy cops in this country.


32 posted on 06/04/2012 3:36:04 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: ApplegateRanch

It is also unbelievable that the driver of a car would drive with a .40 caliber hand gun tucked in the back of his pants. He would have put it under his seat or under the passenger’s seat once he saw he was being pulled over.

The police department is in full CYA mode. Will be interesting to see the ballistics and fingerprint reports.


33 posted on 06/04/2012 3:42:42 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: ApplegateRanch

Thanks for the update from the police dept.However, why didn’t the winesses see this struggle for the gun that the officer says happened? This also does not sound like protocal when one is arresting a subject. Also, the cop pulled him over for failure to signal?!? I have never known anyone who was pulled over for such a petty thing. Sheesh! Was this a cop looking for trouble? For someone who is rapidly losing faith in law enforcement, this does not help.


34 posted on 06/04/2012 3:56:25 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: ApplegateRanch

With full information this sure looks like a good shoot to me.


35 posted on 06/04/2012 4:00:47 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: BLOC77

The cop’s story is bullshit and don’t be surprised if it turns out the gun was planted.


36 posted on 06/04/2012 4:04:30 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

My brother is a 25 year veteran in a police force in Calif, and he would be the first one to tell you that there are a lot of bad cops out there. Whether it’s due to incompetence, laziness, or pure evil, it’s out there and to pretend otherwise is extremely naive. I think your questions are totally legit and need to be answered.


37 posted on 06/04/2012 4:06:49 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: fella
Without a video the . . . Locals, are going to Travon this case just like in Stanford Fla.

The first name of the black teenager who was killed by George Zimmerman is Trayvon, not Travon. And the city in Florida in which this incident took place is Sanford, not Stanford.

38 posted on 06/04/2012 8:53:01 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: fella

What happened to the link?


39 posted on 06/04/2012 9:10:04 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Officer Limbaugh requested suspect Husband step out of the vehicle. It was the officer’s intent to pat down suspect Husband to check for weapons. As suspect Husband stepped out of the vehicle and was turning his back to the officer to be patted down, Officer Limbaugh observed the handle of a handgun in Husband’s waistband. Officer Limbaugh grabbed suspect Husband’s hands, attempted to place them behind his back and told Husband not to grab for the gun. Suspect Husband ignored the officer’s commands and began to struggle with the officer, eventually freeing his right hand and reached for the gun in his waistband. Officer Limbaugh, fearing for his life, fired one shot with his left hand that struck suspect Husband near the left shoulder blade.
____________________________

If suspect had his back to the LEO, how could the LEO, who allegedly shot suspect in the back, see if the suspect was reaching for his waistband? Could the officer somehow see through the suspect?


40 posted on 06/04/2012 9:18:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

It’s a new day for the news. Go to the link and do a search for “Husband” and you will get 3-4 articles.


41 posted on 06/04/2012 9:48:14 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

No time for searching. If ya got something different, post it.


42 posted on 06/04/2012 9:55:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeaHawkFan

BTW, see #29 for link.


43 posted on 06/04/2012 9:57:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I read all this earlier.

The cop is a lying SoS.


44 posted on 06/04/2012 9:58:58 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Train Collector

wow, and you are for freedom? you are sounding like a real jerk.


45 posted on 06/04/2012 10:01:19 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: ltc8k6
That's what I want to know.

Clearly he was an armed criminal fleeing.

46 posted on 06/05/2012 2:39:06 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration

What crime, was it a felony, and was he an immediate threat to cause serious harm to others?


47 posted on 06/05/2012 12:38:13 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan
If he was involved in a crime and fleeing, the police officer had a right to shoot him.

Now, what needs to be determined is if he was in fact involved in a crime.

48 posted on 06/05/2012 1:36:32 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration

You would think that if he had committed a felony and was also an immediate threat to serious harm to anther person, the police would have made a statement to that effect by now that four days have passed.

The law is clear about the use of deadly force by cops. The cop screwed up and the police department has opened itself up to even greater liability by not cutting him loose.


49 posted on 06/05/2012 3:42:13 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan
Well, if that is the case, then the police officer's actions certainly need to be investigated.

The point I was addressing was that it is not wrong per se for a police officer to shoot a fleeing criminal, if, ofcourse, he is sure he has committed a crime.

50 posted on 06/06/2012 2:20:05 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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