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So, today I was watching MSNBC...
vanity | 06/05/12 | Winston's Julia

Posted on 06/05/2012 6:22:52 PM PDT by Winstons Julia

I know... but I wanted to see what they were saying about the Wisconsin election. I just happened to catch a segment where Joe Klein was being interviewed and he was talking about the importance of "Do Not Resuscitate" orders.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: dnr; donotresuscitate; liberals; milwaukee; prolife; scottwalker; tombarrett; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
Apparently, his mother passed away in the hospital and the Dr. said to the family, "Your mother had a DNR order, but your father doesn't." Joe Klein said he told the Dr. "Well, my Dad is the type that wants to be resuscitated." The Dr. then told them, "Well...your dad broke a couple of ribs a few weeks ago, so if I did chest compressions on him...he would die." What Klein said next absolutely chilled me. He said, "So we slapped a DNR order on Dad."

I would absolutely LOVE it if someone could get footage of this conversation because it was absolutely CHILLING.

First, Klein admits his dad would want to be resuscitated, and then he says the doctor convinced them to basically TAKE OVER their father's wishes and get a DNR. My jaw was on the floor.

Did anyone else see this?

1 posted on 06/05/2012 6:22:59 PM PDT by Winstons Julia
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To: Winstons Julia
"So we slapped a DNR order on Dad."

Having worked for 20+ at a large (and famous) hospital I can assure that DNR orders are taken very seriously for many reason...some ethical...some legal.Either there's something important missing from this story or else the physician/hospital in question is playing a very dangerous game.

2 posted on 06/05/2012 6:28:26 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: Winstons Julia

Sorry...20+ years


3 posted on 06/05/2012 6:29:21 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: Winstons Julia

We will have to try to find the other person who watches MSNBC at that time of the day to answer that question.


4 posted on 06/05/2012 6:29:27 PM PDT by kempster
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To: Winstons Julia

Dems should have to show their DNR tattoo to vote...


5 posted on 06/05/2012 6:29:27 PM PDT by Cyber Ninja
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To: Winstons Julia

Doctor’s (general practitioner’s) orders: Don’t watch MSNBC.

Psychiatrist’s orders: Don’t watch television.


6 posted on 06/05/2012 6:33:01 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Winstons Julia
Did anyone else see this?

I didn't, but the dead reliably vote Democrat.

7 posted on 06/05/2012 6:36:18 PM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: Winstons Julia

I don’t know why anyone would expect any less from a bottom feeder like Joe Klein, least of all his dad.


8 posted on 06/05/2012 6:36:24 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Revolting cat!; All

I don’t watch MSNBC, but today, with the Wisconsin election happening, I wanted to know what they were saying.

Regarding the Wisconsin election, they didn’t say much.

But I happened to catch this segment.

I worked in a hospital where I witnessed advance directives on occasion.

WHY would a doctor use a case of broken ribs to persuade the children to “slap a DNR” on Dad?


9 posted on 06/05/2012 6:41:02 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Winstons Julia
I do not watch MSNBC, but I had a similar thing happen to me earlier this year with my Dad.
10 posted on 06/05/2012 6:41:42 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Gay State Conservative; All

You can’t “slap a DNR order” on someone, even if it IS your own parent. They have to agree to it themselves. They have to sign a form, I believe. But word of warning. Make damned sure if you sign a DNR for yourself that you are fully aware of what that could (and might) translate to in the minds of ‘some’ people in the hospital.

In my mom’s case, they let her lay there over a Saturday night and early Sunday morning with over 100 degree fever and gave her NO medication to combat the fever. The “doctor on duty” said to the nurse to make her “comfortable” ....which meant to let her die, essentially.

THAT is how a DNR could be translated by some of the ghouls in our society these days. So be warned.


11 posted on 06/05/2012 6:43:37 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Winstons Julia

I’m not sure what you’re saying. Here in WV, a doctor can just unilaterally put a DNR on a patient based on “medical ethics” / “futility” reasons, against a family’s wishes, as happened with our mother.


12 posted on 06/05/2012 6:44:58 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

IMO, that shouldn’t happen.

For me, a DNR is not something that should be treated in a cavalier fashion.


13 posted on 06/05/2012 6:58:47 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Winstons Julia

A lot of humanist doctors want the elderly and handicapped to die. They think they are a waste of money and time.

Now that Obamacare has institutionalized that mentality, the wolves will come out growling. People are going to be victimized by these “doctors.”


14 posted on 06/05/2012 7:03:01 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Gay State Conservative; Winstons Julia

Dangerous game, indeed. My father’s fairly recent directive was “full code.” He was in final stage heart failure, was on dialysis, and had just had a heart attack. The doctor substituted a DNR, which I learned from grilling a nurse. My Dad was still conscious and lucid, and had a deep faith that he should live each day of the life God gave him. In accordance with his wishes, I found an attorney who would take the case and visit him in the hospital. The full code was reinstated, and my sister and I were gIven health proxy if he was declared incompetent.

The lawyer visited each doctor, department, nurse and the administration.
Copies of my father’s directive and the attorney’s business card were given to everyone involved, including a copy posted on his door.

Nurses and doctors began badgering me, even calling me at his home.
They wanted him to have the, well, Terri Schiavo treatment, since food and water are now considered extreme measures.

Their efforts made the last two weeks of his life very stress filled, and interfered with his ability to spend quiet time with family. The doctor once again substituted a DNR. I spent what turned out to be my Dad’s last day of life dealing with the lawyer and a now hostile doctor.

Other patients’ family members were complaining of efforts to speed their loved ones’ demise. I gave copies of our lawyer’s card to all of them, and was warmly thanked.

I know others make different choices. At the end a person just wants peace of mind, in whatever form that takes.


15 posted on 06/05/2012 8:47:34 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Winstons Julia
Did anyone else see this?

I caught the segment midway where he admitted to "pulling the feeding tude" on dear mom.

Chilling indeed.(Did you see if or why his parents were in the hospital at the same time?)

Klein's purpose was to slam "pay per service" but what stuck with me was "What an ungrateful b@stard"

Not a tear in sight.

When my father died after a severe embolism left him brain dead and we let him go(I hate that term, "pull the plug")He and mom had "living wills" just in case if something similar happened.

I still get choked up when we talk about him, even though we did exactly as he wished.
16 posted on 06/05/2012 9:08:49 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: ntnychik
The other trick they pull is to put a DNR order against the patient's/family's wishes, and then tell you to talk to the Patient Advocate to see whether you can get a transfer to another hospital that will agree to take on the case, if you disagree with their Expert Medical Knowledge. Of course, you won't ever find such a hospital, and they only give you 72 hours to try to accomplish this impossible task.

In our case, they sprang a surprise meeting on a Friday morning (which I later learned was absolutely unethical to do without warning, since the doctor merely said to come in and talk with him, and we were ambushed when we walked in and saw a room full of doctors). The 10 white coats voted in great exasperation to discontinue treatment since we weren't agreeing with them. So the 72 hours began exactly when it would be most difficult to even find anyone in their offices to talk. So while we were calling lawyers and hospitals around the country, the hospital called to say it's too late, since she just had a heart attack and died because of the DNR.

How did it come to the state that our hospitals are filled with hundreds of thousands of people (doctors, nurses, etc.) who have such hostility to those who come for treatment?

17 posted on 06/13/2012 3:56:45 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: Winstons Julia
is this it?

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/dylan-ratigan-show/47696240#47696240

18 posted on 06/13/2012 4:05:07 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (i a m t h e m a r g i n o f e r r e r)
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How did it come to the state that our hospitals are filled with hundreds of thousands of people (doctors, nurses, etc.) who have such hostility to those who come for treatment?

I think the pressure comes from the entity paying the bills (Medicare and Medicaid) plus the hospital not wanting to be stuck providing expensive treatment for a low reimbursement rate.

My personal experience was that my mom was energetically kept alive by the nursing home while she still had money in the bank. When she shifted to Medicaid, she died within three weeks.

19 posted on 06/13/2012 5:21:30 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Yep. That’s it.


20 posted on 06/13/2012 3:28:31 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Yep. That’s it.


21 posted on 06/13/2012 3:31:15 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian; PapaBear3625

Society encourages end of life directives. Some folks choose Full Code, and a healthcare proxy. Where do the docs get off slipping in an unwanted DNR?


22 posted on 06/14/2012 8:59:10 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: SaraJohnson

Over 55 MILLION unwanted children have already been terminated by these “ghouls.”

It was just a matter of time before their grandparents were going to be terminated when they are no longer productive and unwanted.

“A nation that kills its own children is a nation without hope.” Pope John Paul II


23 posted on 06/15/2012 7:48:26 AM PDT by victim soul
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To: victim soul

RE: #23, what you said. This enthanasia business (call it what it is) is the natural progression of the abortion holocost.


24 posted on 06/15/2012 7:56:38 AM PDT by Marathoner (If the choice was Obama vs. Satan I'd have to flip a coin.)
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