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Canadian Drug Importation Amendment Rejected by Senate
FDA Lawyers Blog ^ | May 31, 2012

Posted on 06/06/2012 4:33:40 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee

In a recent 43-54 vote, the U.S. Senate defeated a proposed amendment to the FDA Safety and Innovation Act (S.3187), which we previously reported on here, that would have allowed Americans to purchase drugs from Canadian pharmacies. The Amendment, proposed by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) sought to lower the cost of prescription drugs for Americans.

In the days leading up to the vote, McCain had been critical of the pharmaceutical industry for lobbying the Senate to defeat the Amendment. "In a normal world, this would probably require a voice vote, but what we're about to see is the incredible influence of the special interests, particularly pharma, here in Washington, that keeps people who cannot--that have to make a choice between eating and medicine," McCain said. "So what you're about to see is the reason for the cynicism that people have for the way we do things in Washington. Pharma, one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington, will exert its influence again at the expense of average, low income Americans who, again, will have to choose between medication and eating."

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1 posted on 06/06/2012 4:33:45 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Sam Gamgee

You made a fool of yourself the first time around, inviting it again?


2 posted on 06/06/2012 4:36:52 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: Sam Gamgee
John McCain is chastising the pharmaceutical industry for trying to protect their industry from the collectivists who would destroy their industry? I'm not surprised.

John McCain is just another idiot who doesn't have a clue about which side of his bread is buttered. I wish he would just go away.....and take his blow pig daughter with him.

Man, how I despise socialists.

3 posted on 06/06/2012 5:32:09 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Sam Gamgee

The socialists who get their incomes from corporate government are making a few Americans pay the special (high) American prices to the big drug companies for their prescriptions. Then they lie about it all on political discussion boards.


4 posted on 06/06/2012 6:22:52 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Sam Gamgee

After Billy Jeff sold them all that AIDS blood from Ark prisoners? Sure let’s buy drugs from those guys, they don’t have any reason to dislike US.


5 posted on 06/06/2012 7:22:22 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Sam Gamgee
I have always wondered what would happen to the Canadian health care system and their supposed cheap meds if Americans were allowed to buy drugs from Canada?
6 posted on 06/06/2012 7:33:51 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Just curious if Free Republic is little more than shills and mountenbacks for GOP establishment. You clearly are a SM for Big Pharma - as well as just plain rude.
7 posted on 06/06/2012 8:25:59 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Just curious if Free Republic is little more than shills and mountenbacks for GOP establishment. You clearly are a SM for Big Pharma - as well as just plain rude.
8 posted on 06/06/2012 8:26:11 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Mase

Like the big government statist like Marco Rubio whose bread is buttered by Merck?


9 posted on 06/06/2012 8:27:15 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: dhs12345

Canada allows is people to guy generic alternatives while American politicians stick it to health consumers.


10 posted on 06/06/2012 8:28:56 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee

You are a misinformed fool putting it out for all to see. And you admitted that “cheaper” drugs in Canada is a result of government interference, and, as a result, is not free market.


11 posted on 06/06/2012 9:03:00 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: ican'tbelieveit

Then explain why the GOP rejected this bill that would get generic drugs quicker to market. Proof again the GOP is the party of corporate fascists. Americans know that replacing Democrats is only a replacement of much of the same. Stooges for Merck - Rubio and friends. In any case the Congress is meant to represent the people, not big business donors. What the Canadian market is, is not the problem of US consumers. You also have no proof Canada caps prices, other than one province. You are the fool suckered into voting for the same old good old boy party.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/112/senate/2/votes/105/


12 posted on 06/07/2012 2:06:01 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee

I don’t believe many Americans realize just how much more we pay for prescription drugs. In some cases it is as much as 500 or 600% more.


13 posted on 06/07/2012 3:18:44 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Sam Gamgee

I gave you proof that Canada caps the price of drugs, you conceded the point, it wasn’t one province, it is CANADA!

And you tried the lame argument that it is suppressing free market capitalism. If CANADA regulates the prices that drugs can be sold for, then it is no longer free market.

http://www.canadadrugtalk.com/prices/

That is a Canadian propaganda site, oh how wonderful it is that CANADA caps the prices of drugs. Not to mention, CANADA limits the number of drugs allowed in; it takes longer for newer meds to reach patients in CANADA!

There is a reason for generic drugs to take a while to come to market, again, drug companies invest BILLIONS to bring a drug to market. Not every drug they invest in makes it through clinical trials, meaning that money is thrown down the drain, gone. So, when one does make it to market, after FDA scrutiny for years, the drug company needs to make money to recover any of the money they invested in research to bring that drug to market.

Now, if you don’t want there to be money making in pharmaceuticals, by all means, run them out of business. There won’t be generics, because there won’t be first line drugs to knock off.


14 posted on 06/07/2012 6:16:11 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: Sam Gamgee
No, I was thinking more in line with people who pretend to be conservative but will gladly take advantage of anti-capitalist policies that allow themselves to save a few bucks at the expense of everyone else. There is a large contingent of people in this country who are fine with screwing over everyone else as long as they get theirs. We normally call these people "liberals," "progressives," "statists," "socialists," "communists," or just plain idiots. Sometimes these people try and masquerade as conservative. But that's not what they are. They're just a bunch of posers.

Nine out of ten of all new drug therapies are discovered in the US. Countries that practice pharmaceutical price controls don't discover new drugs. But they do force those who do invest the billions of dollars required, over a period that averages 13 years, to sell those products at prices they deem as fair, not what the market will bear. Gotta keep the socialist masses happy. If the drug companies refuse to cooperate, these people will gladly turn the NME over to their generic industries while thumbing their collectivist noses at international patent law. These people are scum, they are collectivists, and they are leeches. Nice company you keep.

I want my children to have access to more new drugs that treat disease, not less. How some people think differently is absolutely mind-boggling. I guess they believe that as long as they get theirs, screw everyone else. How conservative. How pathetic.

15 posted on 06/07/2012 7:46:01 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Sam Gamgee
No, there is also a group of the economically illiterate.

You should run for their Presidency, you're clearly qualified.

16 posted on 06/07/2012 8:13:35 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I find it interesting that on a site where people have decried riding without a helmet because they have to pay for it (not true as a rule), that people are firmly coming down on the side of paying 5-6 times as much as elsewhere (or more) for pharmaceuticals that are routinely billed to our government through Medicare and Medicaid.


17 posted on 06/07/2012 9:42:50 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Medicare and Medicaid ARE NOT administered with cost as a major concern.

Check out prescription prices from the Canadian pharmacy sites, then call Walmart and compare their prices.

It's pretty clear to me that the availability of easy money from the federal government keeps American drug prices artificially elevated. Free market economic forces aren't in play at all.

I'm not an expert, but I don't completely buy the story that lower Canadian drug prices are a result of government subsidies.

18 posted on 06/08/2012 2:33:20 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
It isn't government subsidies, it's government force. Canada forces our drug makers to sell at a steep discount. If they refuse, Canada will allow their drug makers to produce cheap copies, despite our patents.

If we then allow these cheap drugs back into the US, the drug makers can't recoup their investment and will stop making new drugs.

So that's your choice, cheap drugs now with no new ones or more expensive drugs and continued research.

19 posted on 06/08/2012 6:35:54 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I find it interesting .... that people are firmly coming down on the side of paying 5-6 times as much as elsewhere

Only the people who understand the economics of the business.

20 posted on 06/08/2012 6:37:48 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Americans seem to be subsidizing cheap drugs for the rest of the world as things are now.


21 posted on 06/08/2012 6:49:06 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Sam Gamgee; Smokin' Joe; ican'tbelieveit; Toddsterpatriot; SWAMPSNIPER; Mase
...guys, Guys, GUYS!!!!

I can see both of your points, so how about a little civility?

Sam Gamgee and Smokin' Joe, it's obvious that both of you are NEOCOMMUNIST hippies who want FREE STUFF on the backs of the hardworking people in corporations, who slave tirelessly to improve your life. GO BACK TO WOODSTOCK you freakin' potsmoking Occupy-Wall-Street-lookin' Obama-votin' socialists. Theres GOT to be a COMMUNE you can join! America has had it UP TO HERE with your gimmee-gimmee-gimmee act!!!

On the other hand, I can see the point of the other side, too: ican'tbelieveit, Toddsterpatriot, SWAMPSNIPER and Mase, STOP BEING PAID SHILLS FOR CORPORATE AMERICA, you damned fat-cat oppressive GOP drones! Quit using 100 dollar bills to light your 200 dollar cigars, and START PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE. We are SICK of you EXPLOITING THE MASSES! You GOP Shills EAT CHILDREN FOR BREAKFAST! Not enough bad stuff can happen to you, and when the revolution comes, youo are first against the wall!!!

So, as you can tell, I see both of your points, and just wish we could hash this stuff out civilly.

22 posted on 06/08/2012 7:07:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Americans seem to be subsidizing cheap drugs for the rest of the world as things are now.

Yes we are.

23 posted on 06/08/2012 7:15:10 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Lazamataz

Sigh, I wish I was a PAID shill for corporate America or the GOP. Well maybe not the GOP, but still, paid. And from my point of view, corporate America has been fairly generous to me, employing me in a pretty safe, comfy job, that I only have to commit to for 40 hours a week. I take that money they stingily give me and feed my family, pay my bills, eat.


24 posted on 06/08/2012 8:09:07 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: Smokin' Joe

That unfortunate contradiction is displayed here daily.


25 posted on 06/08/2012 8:16:24 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Sigh, I wish I was a PAID shill for corporate America or the GOP.

See? You want to be one. Says it all, MONEYBAGS MCGEE!


26 posted on 06/08/2012 8:19:54 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: Lazamataz

I don’t want it free, but how come people here pay 5 times as much as people across that imaginary line 60 miles north of here?


27 posted on 06/08/2012 1:21:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Sam Gamgee
I thought that they were buying their drugs from the same companies as Americans.

Only they negotiate better pricing and in effect we Americans are are subsidizing the Canadian health care system.

One step further: if we get the same pricing as the Canadians, it creates a problem for the drug companies and Canada and cheap meds from Canada.

Sorry, just a silly conspiracy theory...

28 posted on 06/08/2012 5:23:02 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Smokin' Joe

How come? Already explained on the thread.


29 posted on 06/08/2012 5:42:36 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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