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VW Passat 78.5 MPG (Imperial gallon) 65.2 MPG US gallon in the Uk...NOT ALLOWED in the US
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Posted on 06/06/2012 6:15:05 PM PDT by Beave Meister

THIS WILL UPSET YOU, VW is not allowed by the US government to sell high milage cars to US consumers. VW even makes the cars here that get 78 mpg but must ship it over seas. I have added this link that shows a test drive world record with the passat which was 75 mpg US

I am still upset with myself for saying "THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION"t. I understand that it is government regulations that crosses over all party lines. It was just that i had watch Obama talking about better milage cars and that was what upset me to make this video. Please understand I do not place the blame on him alone, this has been going on for decades.

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To: CaDan

Liberals telling the truth is a fantasy.


51 posted on 06/06/2012 7:58:05 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Beave Meister
The American Cancer Society says:

Some of these expert agencies have classified diesel exhaust as to whether it can cause cancer. These classifications are based largely on studies looking at the possible link to lung cancer.

The National Toxicology Program (NTP) is formed from parts of several different US government agencies, including the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The NTP has classified exposure to diesel exhaust particulates as "reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen."

The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) is part of the World Health Organization (WHO). Its major goal is to identify causes of cancer. Based on the available data, IARC classifies diesel engine exhaust as "probably carcinogenic to humans."

The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) maintains the Integrated Risk Information System (IRIS), an electronic database that contains information on human health effects from exposure to various substances in the environment. The EPA classifies diesel exhaust as "likely to be carcinogenic to humans."

The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) is part of the CDC that studies exposures in the workplace. NIOSH has determined that diesel exhaust is a "potential occupational carcinogen."

After reading some of their online material, I doubt that the no-diesel-in-passenger-cars rule is protectionist.

52 posted on 06/06/2012 8:00:34 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: dewawi

Problem is, I’ve seen it done.

Some fellow here in the Seattle area had a newfangled carb dealie. Fitted onto some big-azz old oil tanker like a Chrysler New Yorker or somesuch.

Local TV station hired a technician, put a reporter with a camera in the front seat, next to the dude driving the car.

Something like 105 miles per gallon. Technicians and mechanics verified everything, but he wouldn’t let them examine the carb.

Heard the story about 3 times, then it totally disappeared, never to resurface.

The guy probably owns an Island in the South Pacific now...


53 posted on 06/06/2012 8:01:28 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Beave Meister

The other piece that’s missing from the picture is that most european cars have very low final drive ratios, in the low 2:1 range. US vehicles have mid 3:1 or higher. This affects mileage significantly, at the expense of off-the-line acceleration. The Passat mentioned here would get lower mileage in the US because US customers would never tolerate the sluggish acceleration of the EU-spec car, and would demand a higher final drive ratio.


54 posted on 06/06/2012 8:04:33 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: mountn man

Yes, the Edmunds link says that there are some diesel passenger cars in the USA as of 2012, more coming in 2013. Most are pretty pricy, I think.

The Passat in the video is not allowed in to the USA, though, nor are most/many of the Euro diesels.

Apparently there is now “acceptable” technology.


55 posted on 06/06/2012 8:05:13 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: CaDan

The political leanings of the snopes couple is not an Ad Hominem argument. It is valid because it is part of the evidence demonstrating that snopes has a left leaning agenda and that agenda often colors what they publish as “facts”.

Now, if I were to say that either of them is ugly or smells bad or stutters and that makes their info suspect, that would indeed be Ad Hominem.

Noting their demonstrably leftish bent is not a “personal attack”. It is a relevant point.


56 posted on 06/06/2012 8:06:43 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Little Pig

“The Passat mentioned here would get lower mileage in the US because US customers would never tolerate the sluggish acceleration of the EU-spec car, and would demand a higher final drive ratio.”

In 1978 my company sent me to Northern Ireland for three years. I bought a Ford Escort Ghia, made in Germany. It had a 1600 cc engine. Over there they also sold Escorts with a 1300 cc engine. This was before Ford came out with their ‘World’ car, the Ford Escort that we got to know here in this country. When the ‘World’ car was introduced here it was with a 1600 cc engine only, no 1300 cc engine. Why? Because with the pollution control $hit that had to be on the engine here, the 1300 cc engine would not cut it. In fact, the 1300 cc engine in Great Britain outperformed the 1600 cc engine here.

In the 3 years I was there, ‘78 to ‘81, my 1600 cc Ford Escort Ghia was a screamer. It was fun to drive, and could go faster than I was allowed to drive over there, and even faster than I dared a time or two when I took it out on a stretch of Motorway and opened it up, to about 115 mph, with still plenty of peddle left.

As for mileage, I don’t remember, but it was reasonable. And that was when I was getting used to the sticker shock of petrol prices there. I got pretty good at converting to the equivalent US$/US gallons.

The prices then there, of course, were about half what the Kenyan Usurper is making us pay here today. FUBO.


57 posted on 06/06/2012 8:18:26 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s; CaDan

“Noting their demonstrably leftish bent is not a “personal attack”. It is a relevant point.”

Well said. They are leftist trash and we should always verify Snopes Poop...verify, verify, verify. Snopes Poop is too often leftist dogma without verifiable assertions.


58 posted on 06/06/2012 8:23:30 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: freeandfreezing

stunning MPG for the early 80’s.

http://www.toyoland.com/cars/starlet.html


59 posted on 06/06/2012 8:26:26 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)
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To: DBrow

“Apparently there is now “acceptable” technology.”

VW,Audi, BMW and Mercedez sell several models each, using diesel technology which is CLEANER than gas vehicles.

Over 50% of new passenger vehicle sales in Europe are diesels.

The olde Big Three simply don’t try very hard anymore, having written off all but light trucks/SUVs a few years back.

I expect we will see Japanese and Korean diesel vehicles, before we see American ones.

And yes, VW builds Passats in Tennessee, with turbodiesel engines, but not the smaller displacment one in the article.

So why is nobody interested in the subsidized, too big to fail auto companies?

Obama, he don’t want no stinkin diesels, he wants elictricity, regardless if it is economical, etc.


60 posted on 06/06/2012 8:40:52 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: DBrow

“Apparently there is now “acceptable” technology.”

VW,Audi, BMW and Mercedez sell several models each, using diesel technology which is CLEANER than gas vehicles.

Over 50% of new passenger vehicle sales in Europe are diesels.

The olde Big Three simply don’t try very hard anymore, having written off all but light trucks/SUVs a few years back.

I expect we will see Japanese and Korean diesel vehicles, before we see American ones.

And yes, VW builds Passats in Tennessee, with turbodiesel engines, but not the smaller displacment one in the article.

So why is nobody interested in the subsidized, too big to fail auto companies?

Obama, he don’t want no stinkin diesels, he wants elictricity, regardless if it is economical, etc.


61 posted on 06/06/2012 8:41:10 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: paterfamilias

I live in WA and we have the highest gas prices in the country right now. Diesel is even higher because the taxocrats here know they can tax diesel more with less repercussions.

I think the VW is a great car with German performance. I know what that is like - used to own a BMW 3 series with the factory motorsports package. A blast to drive in the Smoky Mountains on the windy mountain roads - not so much fun to drive on the rutted pavement from studded tires here.

When I talked to some friends who are mechanics and worked out the fuel/maintenance costs it did not make sense for me but YMMV. I have friends that own them and they have been pretty happy with them and I hope you like yours. We had a Toyota diesel when my folks were stationed in Germany and it was a solid car. The only diesel I currently own is a 5 cylinder 48hp Kubota although I would like to get a used F-350 for the farm.


62 posted on 06/06/2012 8:53:22 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: BBell

I had one of those. More like 45 city and 65 hwy


63 posted on 06/06/2012 8:58:39 PM PDT by Dawggie
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To: Beave Meister

Geez - I have an ‘03 Passat wagon - doesn’t get anywhere near 78 MPH.....


64 posted on 06/06/2012 9:04:04 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ

...or 78 MPG either....


65 posted on 06/06/2012 9:05:24 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ

read the title again, dufus.


66 posted on 06/06/2012 9:21:51 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: volunbeer

Couldn’t agree more about about VW performance.

We leased a 2011 VW Golf 2.0L TDI with “Sports Package” here in Germany for my better half to drive while on my expat assignment. I hardly ever drive it as I have a company car, but recently got a chance to put a few thousand kilometers on it on our trip to Italy.

On the autobahn in Germany I cruised at 160-180kmh/99-111mph, even topping out at 217kmh/135mph just to see what she what could do. At passport control at the Swiss border I checked the average consumption on the display and it read 8.2 L/100km/28.69mpg. With the lower driving speeds in Switzerland and Italy it went up to 5.9 L/100km/39.87. Wow, what a great car. It makes it a bit more bearable to drive here in Europe when paying about 75 Euros/$95 to fill-up a VW Golf.

As it is a European Model you can switch all the digital displays to English, German, French and etc. However, one thing we laughed about on our trip was when we realized that the Bluetooth computer voice is in American English, but the GPS voice is British English.


67 posted on 06/06/2012 10:53:59 PM PDT by ut1992 (Army Brat)
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To: Beave Meister

The European version of the EPA cheats on mpg figures. They use less realistic methods for calculations.


68 posted on 06/07/2012 2:39:52 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Beave Meister

I would love some of the diesel engines used in Europe. All offer better mileage than similar gas engines, many offer excellent performance, they tend to be reliable, are clean now, and they tend to be torquey. I wish more companies offered them in the US and brought the better ones over. For instance VW has some pretty quick diesels too but sticks us with the 140HP one.


69 posted on 06/07/2012 4:21:39 AM PDT by Woodsman27
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To: wrench

“The Geo Metros I rented in the early 90s got over 50 mpg, and that was driving and treating them like a rental. Nothing comes close today.”

They were also pieces of crap. Some of these high-mileage modern diesels are also nice comfortable cars.


70 posted on 06/07/2012 4:21:48 AM PDT by Woodsman27
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To: pgyanke

“I had a 2003 VW TDI Jetta. I routinely saw 50+ MPG. I once even saw 60 MPG on a trip from KY to FL. My next car was a 2005 VW TDI Jetta. That one routinely gave me mid-40’s in MPG. Now, I see advertisements bragging about upper 30’s for MPG on TDI Jettas.

This reduction in MPG brought to you by federal government regulations. “

The way the EPA calculates mileage has changed but I have two family members with recent TDI Jettas and they see mid 40s on the highway.


71 posted on 06/07/2012 4:21:48 AM PDT by Woodsman27
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To: taterjay
My friend says his VW TDI gets 55 miles per gallon. He has a 2 hour commute from time to time.

The new Passat Turbo-Diesel Wagon (available here in the US) easily gets 50-55mpg on the highway. Don't take it over 62-65mpg though, or the mileage drops significantly. (Drove one, LOVED it. Just wish I could find a way to give up the safety and comfort of my gas guzzling SUV to own one.)

72 posted on 06/07/2012 4:32:05 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: MediaMole
When I lived in Japan the Japanese had these little cars they drove which were not allowed on expressways or major highways. These cars had an A at the beginning of their licenses plate and the car owners paid a lower road tax. These cars would probably crumple like a tin can but they were only met for low speed roads.

I doubt something like this would work in this Country.

73 posted on 06/07/2012 1:26:48 PM PDT by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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To: djf

You story is no different than the stories about “new fangled card dealies” in 1965, 1970, 1975, 1980, 1985, 1990, 1995, 2000, 2005, 2010, and now already in 2012. The sad thing is these stories also have been around since the 1930’s.

One is born every minute and your minute was exactly when?


74 posted on 06/07/2012 5:09:41 PM PDT by dewawi
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To: djf

One more point. Time and again physics professors have pointed out that when one takes the weight of a car, the rolling resistance, wind resistance, friction of parts moving, and the fact that A gallon of gasoline contains about 132x106 joules of energy, which is equivalent to 125,000 BTU or 36,650 watt-hours, it is physically IMPOSSIBLE to get the MPG nut jobs claim.

Look, if you took a small 1,500-watt space heater and left it on full blast for a full 24-hour day, that’s about how much energy is in a gallon of gas. Now anyone that thinks you can move 2,500 pounds of metal down a road at 60 MPH for 75 miles on that same gallon is much more than a fool - they are idiotic.


75 posted on 06/07/2012 5:16:20 PM PDT by dewawi
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To: pgyanke

I had a 1984 Jetta diesel that got 55+ mpg on the highway and 40+ in the city. I would probably still have it but my wife totaled it in 1990.


76 posted on 06/07/2012 5:32:51 PM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Liberty is not collective, it is personal. All liberty is individual liberty. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Woodsman27

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1076468_unrealistic-gas-mileage-ratings-widen-gap-with-reality-in-europe

...Unlike EPA ratings, which are broadly achievable on most vehicles, European official economy figures are unrealistic, giving a highly optimistic estimate of what to expect in regular driving.

A new study by the International Council for Clean Transportation has compared real-world figures from a popular German motoring website, with the official EU fuel estimates. The discrepancy? 21 percent.

According to Wards Auto, that’s risen from only 8 percent difference in 2001, and actually echoes our own suggestion that to compare like-for-like with European and EPA figures, you should reduce EU figures by 15-20 percent...


77 posted on 06/07/2012 5:37:20 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Beave Meister

The problem with that engine (1.6 TDI) in the Passat is that the car would be unacceptably slow to the typical American driver.

They would have to rename it “Pass Not”.


78 posted on 06/07/2012 5:56:33 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Fresh Wind

The 2.0 TDI in the current Passat yields 8.5-9.0 second 0-60 times. A 1.6 would put it among the slowest vehicles currently for sale in the USA, and at a premium price. VW is smart to avoid going down that road.


79 posted on 06/07/2012 6:05:55 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: freeandfreezing

late 80’s Honda CRX HF with manual transmission was capable of near 50 MPG.

they were the lightest CRX so most are no longer available since they were used to build street racer ricers.


80 posted on 06/08/2012 9:35:36 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: truth_seeker
So why is nobody interested in the subsidized, too big to fail auto companies? Obama, he don’t want no stinkin diesels, he wants elictricity, regardless if it is economical, etc.

I wonder if it's because the UAW isn't involved in building them.

81 posted on 06/08/2012 9:42:37 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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