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Microsoft Is In Serious Danger Of Flying Straight Into A Mountain With Windows 8
Business Insider ^ | 06/07/2012 | Jay Yarrow

Posted on 06/07/2012 7:00:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Alarm bells must be ringing in Microsoft's Redmond headquarters.

Microsoft is close to releasing Windows 8 and it's shaping up to be another "Vista". Only this time the repercussions could be much worse. The critics who have been using Windows 8 are extremely negative on the new look and feel of the operating system:

At Slate, Farhad Manjoo writes, "In my time with Windows 8, I’ve felt almost totally at sea—confused, paralyzed, angry, and ultimately resigned to the pain of having to alter the way I do most of my work."

At Marketwatch, John Dvorak says, "Windows 8 looks to me to be an unmitigated disaster that could decidedly hurt the company and its future ... The real problem is that it is both unusable and annoying."

Our own analyst, and long time Microsoft observer Matt Rosoff said, "I still think it's needlessly confusing and hard to use ... I've spoken to other people who have been testing Windows 8 for months. A lot of them found it puzzling like I did, and it's getting worse, not better, with each beta update."

Rosoff doesn't think it's going to be a disaster for Microsoft. He thinks Microsoft will be safe because it has so many other lines of business that are strong.

Maybe!

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: cfit; microsoft; mswindows; windows; windows8
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To: ctdonath2

I’m not the guys at Gizmodo, and I don’t like touchpad devices, doesn’t offer what I want.
Like I said, good for them, not me.


51 posted on 06/07/2012 8:07:01 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Can’t stand Windows 7. Wish I still had XP.


52 posted on 06/07/2012 8:07:41 AM PDT by bgill
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, Microsoft, I’m still using Windows XP Pro! I’ve got two laptops with Win 7. Vista sucked major wind and now you’re screwing around with Win 8? Winning the future is NOT with Win 8, bozos.


53 posted on 06/07/2012 8:07:41 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: VanDeKoik

The XP Start was fine. I could find everything in it. Now with Windows 7, I have to google where to find something in Start. I cn only imagine the headaches if 8 doesn’t have a Start menu. There’s not a week that goes by without having to seach for something.


54 posted on 06/07/2012 8:13:46 AM PDT by bgill
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To: DBrow
Who puts their documents in “My Documents”?

For me, the problem was violation of a cardinal rule we used live with -- directory and file names do not contain spaces. So, MS came up with names like "My Documents", "Documents and Settings", and "Program Files" instead of "Documents", "Profiles", "Programs".

I have a fair number of scripts that manipulate directories and files. Everything had to be changed to add quotes around the names lest I confuse something.

55 posted on 06/07/2012 8:18:00 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: ctdonath2

*sigh* fine.

Move your mouse to the edge of the screen, see the menu bar pop out, press the Windows icon.

I beginning to wonder how many people complaining about Windows 8 actually spent more time learning it, than the time it took to start whining about it.

And when Apple changes OSX to act like iOS (which they are now), be sure to drop Tim Cook a line about how terrible it is. He will care even less.

Seriously no one is going to keep this stuff in Park so tech-geezers wont get upset. Stuff is moving on. Stick with an 11 year old OS (XP) if it just so scary.


56 posted on 06/07/2012 8:30:50 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm STILL supporting Newt.)
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To: VanDeKoik
iPad? Who’s ever going to use that toy!

Its popularity doesn't change the fact that it's a toy (i.e. entertainment device), not a productivity tool.

57 posted on 06/07/2012 8:45:20 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: VanDeKoik

So the menu bar will keep popping up as my cursor rattles around the screen? Other apps do that, and it’s obnoxious.

The point is: yeah, these changes may work, but that doesn’t mean there’s a good reason for them. “Start” works. Some gestures work, but not others, and while the difference is subtle it is important. It’s not a matter of upsetting geezers, it’s a matter of confusing users - geezers or not - for no good reason, and wasting opportunities to do what people are demanding (or will once they’re shown the new better way).

Nobody is arguing “to keep this stuff in Park”. We’re arguing that going from Park to Sideways by default is dumb. Oh, sure, it will make money, but only because there is such massive momentum in the Windows ecosystem that users will grumble quietly and use whatever they must ... until they discover that the transition to OS X is pretty easy, which is making Apple very happy.

And oh, yes, Apple is getting flack about their attempt to fuse iOS with OS X. But somehow that’s going over a lot better...


58 posted on 06/07/2012 8:54:11 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: dayglored

A whole new operating system??

Microsoft seems to think they have to rewrite the thing every couple of years or else they will lose revenue (actually they are probably right)

They should have stuck with WinXPPro and implemented a new support model- new features and serious upgrades if you have a yearly ‘support’ contract for $30 per year or something nominal

Win7 would also be a good candidate for that

but from what I have seen, Microsoft is the only company that gives you LESS features and calls it an ‘upgrade’

MSN messenger was absolutely fine until they removed useful features


59 posted on 06/07/2012 8:54:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Its popularity doesn't change the fact that it's a toy (i.e. entertainment device), not a productivity tool.

Hate to break it to you, but lots of folks use iPads for legitimate business purposes.

60 posted on 06/07/2012 8:57:03 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Depends on what “productive” entails.

“Connected anywhere anytime to anything” can be _very_ productive.
“I’m not at my desk” isn’t productive.


61 posted on 06/07/2012 8:58:59 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: ctdonath2

” it’s a matter of confusing users - geezers or not - for no good reason”

Been there, done that.
It was called Microsoft BOB.
And it was annoying...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegWedG-jk4


62 posted on 06/07/2012 9:02:16 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Gaffer
"Who puts their documents in “My Documents”?"

in a work environment some place insist that ALL your work be in subdirectories under "My Documents" - it makes backup and restore easier.

You are allowed to have any tree structure you want under there- but it has to be under there- also it was mapped to a network location- so any place in the building (or around the world on the VPN) you would see the same "My Documents"

pretty cool once you got used to doing it

I could log onto my powerhouse development machine I got at home and see my exact same files. (my home computer with 4 monitors and a manly 16 gig of memory and VMware (that they could not understand at the office) running multiple virtual machines for testing

63 posted on 06/07/2012 9:46:11 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: kevkrom; ctdonath2

I guess my comment came from my perspective as a developer. I wonder how many iPad apps were developed using iPads?


64 posted on 06/07/2012 10:01:26 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: Mr. K
I could log onto my powerhouse development machine I got at home and see my exact same files. (my home computer with 4 monitors and a manly 16 gig of memory and VMware (that they could not understand at the office) running multiple virtual machines for testing

I am doing the same with a VPN to my desktop to a secure network....there is no need for MY DOCUMENTS....I can see my whole desktop computer through MS Remote Desktop. Restrictions like a single folder are just for lazy ITs

65 posted on 06/07/2012 10:03:13 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
I guess my comment came from my perspective as a developer. I wonder how many iPad apps were developed using iPads?

Very few, if any. As a whole, an iPad is not a content creation device (though it can be used as such in a pinch), but there are a lot of valid business uses that only need to consume content or capture data.

66 posted on 06/07/2012 10:11:44 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

None, but only because Apple disallows any “arbitrary code” program-creation apps. If not for that artificial blockage, there would be many apps for writing apps.


67 posted on 06/07/2012 10:14:27 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Darksheare; Swordmaker
"START" menu? Who in the world needs such a thing? just turn it on (or wake it up, as I do) -- and start working...

"START" menu? Who comes up with such idiotic notions?

68 posted on 06/07/2012 10:43:43 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: VanDeKoik

I’m still working on XP. We skipped Vista altogether, and are just starting to roll out Windows 7. It takes years to qualify a new OS to make sure it runs all the tools a big organization uses, so they don’t switch all that often.


69 posted on 06/07/2012 10:48:32 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TXnMA; Swordmaker

Those who use Macs don’t need to worry about it much.
This, though, isn’t on a Mac.
;-)


70 posted on 06/07/2012 10:52:30 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Microsoft Is In Serious Danger Of Flying Straight Into A Mountain With Windows 8

More like Microsoft Is In Serious Danger Of Running Straight Into A Mountain Lion With Windows 8.

71 posted on 06/07/2012 10:52:42 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: In Maryland

I guess it remains to be seen. I can’t see manufacturing or business adopting it.


72 posted on 06/07/2012 11:03:22 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: ken in texas
For me, the problem was violation of a cardinal rule we used live with -- directory and file names do not contain spaces. So, MS came up with names like "My Documents", "Documents and Settings", and "Program Files" instead of "Documents", "Profiles", "Programs".

That's noe of my major peeves. Can't stand spaces in names. It makes them much more difficult to manipulate gracefully from scripts and the command line.

73 posted on 06/07/2012 11:21:11 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Gaffer

Well when your company IT department has to handle backup for 50,000 users on a daily basis, they like to keep things as simple for themselves as possible

mapping “My Documents” is a freebie from the operating system and yes it does make them have to do less work, but the results are good.

I would hat to have to ask them to go fish around every possible subdirectory structure to try to detemrine what i want backed and not backed up

Lazy? or Practical? I am both so I would do it the same way if i was in charge


74 posted on 06/07/2012 11:22:05 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: ctdonath2
More like Microsoft Is In Serious Danger Of Running Straight Into A Mountain Lion With Windows 8.

Let's be realistic. Tech journalism hyperbole aside, Win 8 isn't going to "kill Microsoft" on the desktop/laptop side, and it isn't going to "kill Apple" on the phone/tablet side.

75 posted on 06/07/2012 11:23:57 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: VanDeKoik

“You press the Windows key on the key board, and you select a program.”

So now I have to remove my hand from my mouse hundreds of times a day, press a keyboard key, and them move my hand back to the mouse.

Power users consider it a total defeat to remove their hand from their mouse unless they actually need to TYPE in some text! And yes, I’m a power user (programmer) and do in fact start programs hundreds of times a day.

Like I said, W8 has removed the steering wheel (mouse) from the car and replaced it with a set of steering buttons.


76 posted on 06/07/2012 11:36:50 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: kevkrom

I wasn’t being realistic. The hyperbole just needed someone to express it.


77 posted on 06/07/2012 11:39:32 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: zeugma

Completely understand. I had an ID10T keyboard error one day and built a directory on a Unix system with a space in the name. Had to check several Man pages to get that one fixed.


78 posted on 06/07/2012 11:45:58 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
It takes years to qualify a new OS to make sure it runs all the tools a big organization uses, so they don’t switch all that often.

Had to chuckle at that one. MS came out with a major upgrade some years back, and our internal department presented a schedule for corporate wide updates (> 100,000 seats), permitting proper time for testing.

The CIO at that time was supposedly astounded, and did not understand why it could not be rolled out to all desktops and laptops over the next weekend; after all it's just a newer version of the same OS. He was not in that position the following year.

79 posted on 06/07/2012 12:10:18 PM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: ctdonath2
Thing is, Apple is succeeding by realizing that even such "easy" tasks are unnecessarily complicated...

I'll say. After using only OS/X for the last couple of years, I recently had to install a Lenovo Windows 7 machine to run a specific application. Windows 7 is loaded with minor usability annoyances that Apple has already thought about and abstracted away from the user - annoyances that I never noticed before when I used Windows exclusively.

80 posted on 06/07/2012 12:30:49 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: bgill
Here’s an idea. How about just fixing the problems of the previous versions and leaving the rest of it alone.

Much of open source software is that way but there's no money in it. If Microsoft created stable bug-free software they would quickly go out of business. Most commercial software is flashy but junky on purpose. It's the same business model as the Detroit car makers.

81 posted on 06/07/2012 12:59:37 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Darksheare

they do a litle more reporting on all types of tech products and seem to have a good feel for future products. The where first to show the “copy” of a stealth fighter made by the Chinese. I like what they bring to the table of tech info.


82 posted on 06/07/2012 1:21:57 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Mr. K
mapping “My Documents” is a freebie from the operating system and yes it does make them have to do less work, but the results are good.

As a Unix user, I can just laugh. 

I backup /home, and can restore a user to =exactly= the same condition they were in at the time of the backup. That includes all desktop settings/preferences, and whatnot, including any file they might have. I don't see what could be easier.



83 posted on 06/07/2012 1:45:50 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: ken in texas

One of my most annoying “programmers trick” is when some idiot creates a file called “C:\whatever” in their home directory.


84 posted on 06/07/2012 1:47:32 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: VanDeKoik
You mean the last Windows OS people said was terrible and “ruined” the perfection of XP, which was said to have ruined the perfection from Windows 2000?

YOU may like relearning the UI regularly, and retraining all your employees, but some of us don't. Especially when the change brings no improvement, or DECREASES performance, while adding additional costs.

85 posted on 06/07/2012 2:01:56 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: TXnMA
"START" menu? Who comes up with such idiotic notions?

Well, you need some place to put the "shut down" button :-)

86 posted on 06/07/2012 2:02:54 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: zeugma

Unix sux


87 posted on 06/07/2012 2:19:06 PM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no integration of WinRT or Metro with the enterprise. Windows Phones and ARM tablets cannot join an Active Directory domain. They cannot be remotely managed through Group Policy. IT staff cannot install software remotely (including AV) or fix trouble tickets using Remote Administration. IT staff cannot install apps. Only the end-user can install apps, and then only from the public Microsoft Store.

So basically a Windows 8 phone or tablet has all the disadvantages of the iPhone/iPad/Android — no integration with the enterprise, no remote management, no domain control, no enterprise apps — with none of the advantages of Apple’s and Android’s large installed base.

Microsoft’s greatest strength is in the enterprise. Microsoft’s failure to leverage Windows 8 with their enterprise advantage is beyond stupid.


88 posted on 06/07/2012 2:31:07 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Mr. K

Oops- I meant LINUX sux


89 posted on 06/07/2012 2:36:17 PM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Mr. K

Apple’s operating systems are Unix-based. Unix existed long before any Microsoft products did and will likely long out-live all of them. Microsoft’s best days are behind it. Apple’s market value is now double Microsoft’s and corporate IT types are starting to buy Apple computers again.


90 posted on 06/07/2012 2:44:58 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: ken in texas

Eh. I guess I’m not the only one that uses the underscore thingy in their file names and directories.


91 posted on 06/07/2012 2:55:03 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: SeekAndFind
XP forever. Works flawlessly for me, has for years.

Who needs whtever new crap 8 brings? More goofy Mac type stuff? Keep Updating XP. My old HP calculators have worked for decades with the same operating system. Quit dicking around with things that work, just to try and up the cash flow.

92 posted on 06/07/2012 3:10:59 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

RE: XP forever. Works flawlessly for me, has for years.

Microsoft has announced she will stop supporting Windows XP by middle of 2014. They want everyone into Windows 7 at least by then.


93 posted on 06/07/2012 3:18:45 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: TomGuy

I’m told ClassicShell is pretty good for that.


94 posted on 06/07/2012 7:42:22 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (WTB new tagline, PST!)
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To: jimt

YOU may like relearning the UI regularly, and retraining all your employees, but some of us don’t.”

The Windows OS has remained mostly unchanged since 1995! Other than some chrome here and some drop showdows there, the thing worked virtually the same since then.

And the changes made now is nothing more than a days worth of effort to learn for even the most dim office hen. And besides, you dont have to upgrade tomorrow, so why people act as if they are going to have to do this right now is just silly.

Lack of effort from some users, does not mean Windows need to ever change.


95 posted on 06/08/2012 4:46:43 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm STILL supporting Newt.)
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To: Mr. K
Unix sux

Yes, because stablity, usefulness, and robustness are bad things.

96 posted on 06/08/2012 6:14:57 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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