Skip to comments.How did they define "drunkenness" in Bible times?
Posted on 06/12/2012 5:13:18 PM PDT by LouAvul
Today we have blood alcohol content. In California for example, if you drive a big rig, weigh 185 pounds, and have two beers, you're considered legally drunk.
But in Bible times, what, you wreck your donkey?
Noah drank. On one occasion (that we know of) he passed out on the floor of his tent. On at least that occasion he was drunk even though he was the most righteous man on earth.
Solomon talks about drunk in Proverbs 23. Seeing visions. Staying near wine. He's truly describing someone with a real problem.
But we know they drank. We know God recommended alcohol as a relaxant. (Proverbs 31) Yet both the old and new testaments condemn "drunkenness."
I just wonder how they defined it.
Are you drunk now and looking for an excuse?
You’ll know it when you see it.
What that proves is that todays secular pharisees make those in the old testament days look like rip roaring hedonists.
Let’s just say that when they praised Samson for killing thousands with the jawbone of a donkey, he said, “I did whaaaaaaat??”
The word, translated from Aramaic to English was ‘jughead’.
I heard sin described as when you take something that is good and make it good for nothing. I think that applies here.
That's not saying much ...considering what happened to most everybody else on the planet.
Exactly the same way we do. It's quite obvious.
Are you saying I was sacrilegious? I wondered about that. I thought about holding myself back. But I failed, sinful man that I am.
My GP has told me that she thinks that the US has been completely unhinged when it comes to alcohol.
When she first stated her practice, people had before dinner cocktails, wine with dinner and a night cap, even was recommend to relax.
Now she says people are bombarded with anti alcohol (her words) crap.
I think the problem here is we do not teach people how to drink responsibly, so it becomes a forbidden fruit.
Ok, that in no way answers your question.
The Bible says drunkenness is the issue not drinking.
Everyone is different, size, age, food in the belly, even why they are drinking.....
ClearCase, sorry, I thought I was making a general post on the subject. Nothing about you or what you said.
Ah, another Pharisee. Careful you don’t look down. You might fall off your pedestal.
Must be the booze ...
No, Samson was a Nazarite. He had taken a specific vow to eschew to avoid anything from grapes. That included wine (and raisins), etc.
Yeah, then he went and crashed his ark into a mountain.
You missed the smiley.
I would guess the way they defined it decades ago before we had a means of giving a number to blood alcohol levels: if you have had too much alcohol to function capably at whatever you need to do, then you are drunk.
If you are chronically too intoxicated to hold a job or otherwise support yourself and perform your duties, then you are a drunkard.
God prohibited gluttony too, but nobody condemns eating.
Same idea, same intent.
It took me a several decades to find tequila pleasing — after having my feelings on the subject skewed by a couple nasty experiences in college. Going down, it didn’t make a huge impression on me, but coming up was a sensory experience that stayed with me for over 30 years. But, now that I’m over 50, I find that tequila in moderation is a fine beverage.
No, I saw the smiley. If he had been posting tongue-in-cheek, he would have included ;)
No beer for breakfast??!! When did they change that?
Many times when the bible mentions going through life drunk, it’s talking about going through life without giving regard to the Word and not studying it.
“Thou shalt not slureth thou words” comes to mind.
>>Ah, another Pharisee. Careful you dont look down. You might fall off your pedestal.<<
Hey, you are the one with the potential drinking problem ;)
“Thou shalt not slureth thou words” comes to mind.
Even cocktails were for the morning meal, hence the name cocktail, relates to the rooster crowing.
The state of drunkenness varied from one individual to the next, then as now. The condemnation regards losing one’s better judgment, becoming much more prone to sin. Being “merry” due to the influence of alcohol is not condemned, it could even be said that it was encouraged.
So, where’s the line, between merely merry and drunk? It’s the behavior. Acting out of character, making a total fool of oneself, behaving immorally.
Anyone who has been at least a social drinker knows when he or she has had too much. Slurring, problems with motor skills, speaking inappropriately, etc. so it’s really not such a mystery. Stop before you begin to lose control of yourself. An elevated mood is not losing control.
Some determine that any amount of alcohol is too much, and if they want to abstain out of a desire to do the Lord’s will then so be it and I support them. But, I do drink on occasion. I limit myself now. There have been times in my life when I didn’t. I would have been better off if I had.
But expect some raised eyebrows. :)
>>Thou shalt not slureth thou words comes to mind.<<
Hmm, I akways recall it as “thou shalt not worreth thy slurds...”
God is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
“BEER” is proof....
...be ye not drunk with wine wherein is dissipation...
If one is not meeting obligations that would probably fit as drunkenness.
Beer is food!
Bourbon is American nector of the gods!
Tipple is tipple...
God in his goodness, sent the grape,
To cheer both great and small,
Little fools sometimes drink too much,
and great fools not at all.
Our ridiculous 21-year old drinking age combined with draconian punishments for "underage" drinking (applied to both the drinker and the adult who provided them alcohol) have prevented parents from teaching responsible drinking habits to their children. As such, far too many young people today learn irresponsible drinking habits from their friends and peers when they move away from home.
When people tell you you’re drunk, you’re drunk.
Drunk is not defined by any rational or biblical standard. It is defined by those who want to control your life..
Noah wasn’t sinless but his DNA wasn’t tainted by Niphilim.
Man, that is so true.
I had an opportunity to visit Italy, Greece and Turkey last year. My young granddaughter cam with me, every place that I ordered wine, I was asked if she would like some as well. the wine is diluted with water. In Sicily, I asked them about that request and was told the water tasted terrible and it was a way to cover the cost. We talked about issues with public drunkenness or kids having issues and was told there was none.
In Greece I ordered Ouzo and no they did not offer her that, POWERFUL stuff.
Brilliant! and BRAVO!
If you are an artist (most of us are but seldom realize it) a light alcohol buzz (a couple of drinks) with a small hit of green bud (weed) can do interesting things to one's art. Weed is a spiritual ingredient that can be utilized to good effect in an artistic way. Taken with alcohol one must first realize that the effect will be to magnify the 'buzz' one gets from drink, so, go lightly.
Not sure I'd want a heart surgeon working under these conditions but painters, sculptors, and musicians might benefit from the 'attention' that comes from such a state. I play music but I'd like to try painting. What I'd expect to gain from stepping away from 'normal' might be things like brush-strokes and color which are endless and which the Masters have set the bar high enough nobody's getting there without serious study and effort.
In music, I've found it easier to blow through ceilings or plateaus that inevitably block my progress to something desired. You can do it without 'lubing' and that may be preferred (no sin, baby). But, if you've got to build a yacht that has to hold two-of-everything, anything that might help you blow-through obstacles could come in handy- especially if it's never been done before.
PS. No powders, pills, or dots in my travels. Getting back to Nature doesn't include wearing a Jet Pack.
Looking at Ecclesiastes, and knowing there is nothing new under the sun; I would say they used the same way that we do today.
I think you nail it right there . . . I might add, stop short of endangering yourself and others.
I agree. The first time I drank, I was abusing it along with friends who were abusing it. My father gew up around alcoholic family members, became a minister, and towed a near-tee-totaler line . . . but NEVER preached total abstinance. His great-grandmother was a Cherokee Indian, which may have contributed to the alcohol intolerance. Has not been a problem with me or my brother.
I violated the law and taught my the underage sons by example how to use it responsibly and under control. The oldest now barely drinks by choice and the youngest seems to keep it under control, but he is just 24 and at a prime abuse age.
My understanding of the many verses on the subject is that you may drink, but you shouldn’t get drunk.
Everyone’s tolerance to alcohol is different, and even one person’s tolerance is different at different times, so you aren’t going to find any absolute standard as to what “drunk” means. The Bible doesn’t focus on physical things like BAC, though, it focuses on spiritual things, so I think it’s a safe standard to say that “drunk” in the Bible means spiritually impaired. If you drink so much that it may cause you to stray spiritually, then I’d say you are drunk in the Biblical sense. If you cannot draw that line, or stop yourself from crossing it, then you probably should not drink at all.
There are also verses in the New Testament which enjoin Christians to refrain from activities which, although we may be responsible enough to engage in, would tempt others who are weaker into sin. I think alcohol falls into that category, so you probably do not want to drink with people who cannot refrain from getting drunk themselves, since you are encouraging them to sin. I think this is the reason some churches advise people to completely refrain from drinking.
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