Posted on 06/21/2012 11:51:15 AM PDT by ShadowAce
> What model and is it network attached or capable of being networked?
Model hp1606dn
It is network attached.
With that post, you nailed the spirit of my position on this.
I also notice something we have somewhat in common: we dealt with making computers work in a corporate environment. We perceive computers primarily as tools and something we don’t have to overcomplicate or deal with when we “punch out”.
I remember when I had to become a memory expert (remember dos “himem”?) just to get Aces Over the Pacific to run in dos mode on my Windows 3.1 machine. I’m burned out on messing with my computer. I had to replace a cooling fan on my cpu last year and that was hassle enough. I used to build all my computers from scratch. Now, when a computer acts up I just go to costco and drop another $299 and bring one home. Heck, I even use the motherboard video and audio.
I also stuck with beta for way too long. I sold video and knew it was much better than VHS. Big frickin’ deal. When I made the switch to VHS my life actually got a lot simpler. :-)
I live the subtitle to Dr. Strangelove: How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb. Or, in modern vernacular, I took the blue pill or drank the coolaid - and it was goooooood.
Your post proves number five. Every person I know would read that and say, “What? What is that guy talking about? Wanna head out for lunch?”
Or something like that. ;-)
To be fair to the author, I’m replacing the word “expert” with “hobbyist”. I went to a computer fair in Kent Washington back around 1997 with my nephew and before we went in I told him, “soak this up because it is like going to an auto fair before the introduction of the model T. Eventually this will go away as the computer becomes a commodity like the toaster.” It did and they have.
Most people don’t want to mess with it and your post talks over the heads of even many computer hobbyists that only do windows or Mac.
I banned windows from the house 10 years ago. Amusingly, a substantial part of my livelihood is based on my expertise in the windows server platform. It's a dirty job, someone has to do it.
Yeah, actually having to support machines that serve a variety of users somewhat alters your perspective. Plus having to take into account the complete cost of a machine/os/device and not just it’s initial purchase price.
But that’s why we get the big bucks.
(Made myself laugh there with that last line)
—So you don’t have to completely abandon Windows to get started with Linux.—
I agree, but you have to have a compelling reason to bother. Few of us do.
Again, I tried ubuntu and also have no love of Windows, but I have a better understanding of “the masses” than I used to. And as computers become more and more of a “commodity” that does what it does pretty reliably, few are going to feel the need to attempt to swim upstream. And that is how most people perceive it, especially those who have actually tried it.
Sorry, distro is short for distribution. There are many distributions of Linux. You tried Ubuntu. I use PCLinuxOS. Others are Linux Mint, Fedora, CentOS, etc. They are all unique in how they look and what programs come pre-installed with the download. The beauty is they are all free, and with the LiveCD and LiveUSB options, they are very easy to test on your computer without having to install them first.
In virtual machines, which is actually not a bad thing to be doing anyway. I run a lot of Windows programs in VM's on Windows!
What??!! Does your friend have four thumbs and no brain? I've never had any problems like that with my Droid and it's my first smartphone. I install programs, and add and delete stuff from the desktop views all the time.
The best way is to run your favorite flavor of linux and use virtualbox to run M$. You will need to install windoze in virtual box. I don't use any M$ products so I don't know how much RAM you will need. I run Mac OS X Lion with PC-BSD in a virtualbox session. I have 8 GB on my laptop and 16 GB on my server and I give PC-BSD 2 GB in 60 GB disk slice.
The most compelling reason to virtualize is that WHEN your MS installation screws up, you can delete it and start over.
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See, I don't think you do--or most people for that matter. I'm not blaming you. It's a matter of definition, I think.
Tools require some form of (at least) rudimentary training in order to operate properly. yet we (as a society) think if we just plug in a computer, or sit some kid down in front of it, all our problems will be solved. Sitting someone down in the control cabin of a construction crane will virtually guarantee destruction of some sort. The same goes for computers.
Insisting that all OSes and computers need to run/look like Windows because that is what "everyone" is used to is not only wrong-headed, but can be dangerous. It leads to stagnation--not only in computer/software design, but also in our ability to think and remain in control of these tools that we use all the time.
What I think would really be helpful, at least from a desktop perspective, is for the whole Linux desktop community to agree on a single standard desktop, and the closer to Windows look and feel the better.
This is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Limiting a tool of this power and complexity to one interface is like saying that a tablesaw should only be able to cut pine 2x4s at 90-degree angles. What's the point?
The truly great thing about Linux is the choice that it offers. Not only the choice of not giving your money to a liberal corporation like MS, but also of usability. Desktop choices like Gnome, KDE, LXDE, and XFCE (to name but a few), kernel choices and whether you really want to upgrade or not--this is what we're really about. We're not really trying to to get rid of MS, but thinking that we should imitate them is short-sighted to say the least.
If you don't want to invest the time and effort needed to learn about the tool sitting on the desk in front of you, that is also your prerogative. However, don't complain that it's too difficult when you don't really want to learn how to properly operate it.
Windows is like a base-model automatic (to use an analogy from you), with its hood welded shut and no real controls inside. Other OSes provide more functionality, but you have to learn to use it. More freedom does require more learning.
—See, I don’t think you do—or most people for that matter. I’m not blaming you. It’s a matter of definition, I think.—
Actually, I’ve been using Visio since before it was a microsoft product. And I hated the latest version of office (as everyone did) but embraced it because I knew it would be the new standard in my office. I soon learned to love it and became the “office guru” at my workplace. I have also taught classes in Microsoft outlook as well as many mainframe Y2K remediation tools. I also worked at Compuware as a Sales Engineer. What this means is that I combined my sales background with my IT background to work with salespeople to answer technical questions, perform training at client sites, install the product on mainframe systems, etc. I’ve programmed in Assembler, Cobol, Dyl280 and 260, Powerbuilder, Visual Basic, C++, C#, Fortran and am currently using Visual Studio and Microsoft’s SQL studio to produce my system’s documentation.
I see all computers and computer software as tools. I use them as tools. I know how they work at least enough to do my job well. The problem is that if you are in a world dominated by Microsoft and Mac, and there is no compelling reason to be “different than everyone else”, it is not worth bothering with something different.
I sold a Beta portable VCR and Camera to a doctor back around 1980 to a doctor. A little over a month later he wanted to return it for VHS. The reason? The medical community had a huge library of material he needed but it was all in VHS. Sure, Beta was better, but his VCR was a tool and he needed to use it as such. It would not do what he needed it to do.
To apply that to Linux, I am no fan of Microsoft (just as I hated VHS), but I have become a power user of their office suite and have trained others in it. I use it as a tool in my job on a daily basis. I’ve used open office (and I am sure there are others). It is a reasonable faximile, but other than to save a few bucks (it’s free), what would my motivation be to learn it? There are only so many hours in the day and I really have to budget my time. Why would I spend all that time learning a product that is not fully compatible with everything those I work with, and I, use to perform our jobs?
There has to be a compelling reason to move from the “standard” to something else. For computer hobbyists I can see the seductive quality of using Linux. Heck, if you are running your own web server company I can see using it. But for the rest of us, there is no compelling reason. We only see our computers as tools and we already know how to use the tool we are using. We get work done. The tool works very well.
Could Linux be better than Windows? Sure. Beta was a lot better than VHS. I have learned to choose my battles. That is why I threw away my ubuntu disc and went back to practicing my bass.
That's what most Linux users do (and I don't know if you are or are not one of them, just stating from experience): If a user can't figure something out, it's the user's fault, not the interface.
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