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'Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter' review: (Dedicated to the proposition of Vampire destruction)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 06/21/2012 | Mick LaSalle

Posted on 06/21/2012 1:41:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The title, "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter," guarantees about 15 good minutes. Just on the strength and novelty of the gimmick - combining the real details of Lincoln's life with a secret antivampire history - the movie was bound to command a certain absurd appeal. The trick was in getting audiences past those 15 minutes, and that's what the movie does.

Based on the novel by Seth Grahame-Smith, "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" is a money-making stunt that its author - who also wrote the screenplay - wisely decided to treat with seriousness, or at least an attitude of seriousness.

Instead of getting smirky and campy and blowing out the joke in the first few scenes, Grahame-Smith and director Timur Bekmambetov straight-face it. They ask themselves, well, what would it be like if the main struggle of Lincoln's life were with vampires intent on taking over the new world? And they answer the question as realistically and soberly as they can within this loony framework.

A greater Lincoln

Further, they invest emotionally in the conceit of the story and in Lincoln (Benjamin Walker) as a man. Imagine: He didn't just save the union and free the slaves. Here was a man dedicated to the proposition that all vampires must be destroyed. That makes for an even greater Lincoln, one yet more worthy of reverential treatment.

Along the way, Grahame-Smith comes up with a metaphor that is appropriately descriptive of slavery and flattering to the Union. In this telling, the Old Confederacy was a hotbed of vampirism. Perhaps this should not come as a big surprise, given that the slaveholders were sucking the life out of their slaves.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: abrahamlincoln; lincoln; movie; vampire
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To: Tublecane

I thought we were discussing vampires? How did this degenerate to this lvl?Discuss,,,,Did or did not Lincoln hunt vampires?


51 posted on 06/21/2012 6:01:40 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: Buckeye McFrog

In WJC’s case, I think you spell it “Succuboss.”


52 posted on 06/21/2012 6:33:46 PM PDT by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: x

My old GF got so into the vampire thing that she would let me visit her only periodically.


53 posted on 06/21/2012 6:40:01 PM PDT by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: Craftmore
Mentioning Lincoln on Free Republic is akin to waving a red flag at a bull.
54 posted on 06/21/2012 6:45:38 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Sherman Logan

placemarker thank you


55 posted on 06/21/2012 6:49:05 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: Tublecane

You are quite correct that Caesar killed the Republic. Except it had already been dead for a century or so and JC just put it out of its misery. The late Republic resembles a mafia state more than anything else.

The institution of the dictatorship had worked reasonably well for several centuries till Sulla perverted it.

Let me try to be clear on what I mean by an existential threat. I mean it quite literally. Had the Romans lost certain wars, they would have ceased to exist as a nation and as a people. Their government would have been destroyed and they would have all have been sold into slavery. The END of Rome. With the exception of the Cold War the US has never faced such a threat.

The Romans were quite clear on this point, as they had done the same to numerous other peoples, most notably the Carthaginians.

So given the choice of utter destruction or six months to a year of restricted freedoms, which do you think it is reasonable to choose?

This is not addressing the modern perversion of the word and original concept of dictatorship, the essence of which was that it was time-limited and emergency in nature.

Also not addressing the fact that many think a true emergency is a great opportunity to advance what you wanted to do anyway.


56 posted on 06/21/2012 6:54:22 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind
Have to admit this movie looks pretty intriguing. Best trailer on youtube is HD Trailer #2.
57 posted on 06/21/2012 7:01:02 PM PDT by MCH
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To: jyro

***I don’t understand the fascination with vampires. ***

Well at least it is not another zombie flick! Just think of all those slain Civil War soldiers rising and marching on Washington.


58 posted on 06/21/2012 7:22:02 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Bratch

RE: Mentioning Lincoln on Free Republic is akin to waving a red flag at a bull.

My goodness, I meant to talk only about the MOVIE. Suddenly, this thread became a debate about his historical legacy...


59 posted on 06/21/2012 7:22:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: PhiloBedo

****He said he read a lot of Lenin and couldn’t write about him as a vampire hunter.....****

That is because Lenin was a real vampire with his fangs in the collective Russian neck, sucking the life out of Russia.


60 posted on 06/21/2012 7:25:29 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

William Jefferson Clinton...Incubus.


61 posted on 06/21/2012 7:26:34 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

zombie flick? Abe Lincoln vs Zombies? it exists! :

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2246549/


62 posted on 06/21/2012 7:32:35 PM PDT by isom35
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To: Tublecane

“...We might now again be British colonists, but for Lincoln.”

It could have been sooner! Back in the 1840s the US and Canada almost went to war over the Oregon territories.

Great Britain attempted to get a treaty uniting Britain, Mexico, Canada and the new nation of TEXAS against the US.

Texas was so horrified at the proposal they immediately joined the US as a state, and Mexico ended up taking the brunt of the war as GB and Canada settled with the US over Oregon.

What you learn from thirty years of haunting libraries with real BOOKS!


63 posted on 06/21/2012 7:40:03 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

There’s a French movie from 1919 that includes a scene with the dead of World War I rising and returning home to see if their sacrifice was honored.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%27accuse_(1919_film)


64 posted on 06/22/2012 5:53:38 AM PDT by chargers fan
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To: Sherman Logan

Too late for poor Mary Suratt.....


65 posted on 07/03/2012 12:14:01 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Deo Vindice (God will vindicate) February 22, 1861)
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To: ExGeeEye

More like a Seneca.


66 posted on 07/03/2012 12:18:48 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Deo Vindice (God will vindicate) February 22, 1861)
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To: TexConfederate1861

Mary was almost certainly quite guilty, though prosecutors might not have been able to get a conviction in a civilian court.


67 posted on 07/04/2012 9:19:14 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

No they would not have. What chance did she even have, when she could not even testify in her own defense?

Yankee justice.
One more reason Lee & Johnson should have fought a guerilla war.


68 posted on 07/06/2012 10:54:15 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Deo Vindice (God will vindicate) February 22, 1861)
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To: TexConfederate1861

There were dozens of witnesses called by the defense in this case. What leads you to claim she was not allowed to testify in her own defense?


69 posted on 07/06/2012 11:48:35 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Read the record. There was also a recent movie on the subject. Any court that denies a defendants rights to testify in their own defense is a kangaroo court.


70 posted on 07/07/2012 2:28:42 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Deo Vindice (God will vindicate) February 22, 1861)
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To: TexConfederate1861
Finally found some actual information on the subject.

This is the 167th footnote in the Wiki entry for Mary Suratt.

Neither Mary Surratt nor any of the other defendants testified on their own behalf. Although some sources claim that they were prevented from doing so, this is incorrect. At the time, the federal government and 35 of the 36 states did not permit defendants in felony trials to testify on their own behalf. See the discussion in Boritt and Forness, p. 352-353.

If accurate, this would mean she wasn't allowed to testify, but not because this was a kangaroo court. She would not have been allowed yo so testify in almost any court at the time.

The rule appears to have been a hangover from common law, in which nobody was allowed to testify who had an interest in the outcome. Since most if not all felonies were originally capital crimes, the accused obviously had a pretty strong interest in the outcome.

The qualification of criminal defendants to give sworn evidence if they wished came last. The first statute was apparently that enacted by Maine in 1859 making defendants competent witnesses in prosecutions for a few crimes. Maine Acts 1859, c. 104. This was followed in Maine in 1864 by the enactment of a general competency statute for criminal defendants, the first such statute in the English-speaking world. The reform was largely the work of John Appleton of the Supreme Court of Maine, an American disciple of Bentham. Within 20 years most of the States now comprising the Union had followed Maine's lead. A federal statute to the same effect was adopted in 1878, 20 Stat. 30, 18 U.S.C. 3481. Before the end of the century every State except Georgia had abolished the disqualification. 6

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=365&invol=570

Her trial may indeed have been, probably was, a kangaroo court. But her not being allowed to testify did not prove it so unless every other criminal court in the nation outside Maine also qualified as such.

Nor is her having possibly had an unfair trial any evidence for her innocence.

71 posted on 07/07/2012 4:13:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Ok, I concede that part, but on what basis was her supposed guilt? She ran the boarding house. Most accounts that I have read of this trial didn’t deal with hard evidence. Like Dr. Samuel Mudd, who had the unfortunate bad luck to have set John Wilkes Booth’s broken leg.

This whole thing was revenge based.


72 posted on 07/07/2012 11:12:09 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Deo Vindice (God will vindicate) February 22, 1861)
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