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Experiences in communist countries
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Posted on 06/29/2012 9:23:02 PM PDT by moonshot925

Have you even lived in or visited a communist country? What was your experience?


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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Thought of something else: the elevator my friends’ apartment building was somehow activated by the weight of someone stepping into it. It would abruptly drop several inches when you went in, which was very disconcerting. Also, there was little spent on lighting in interior hallways. They were dim. On the other hand, my friends assured me that the buildings were air-tight in order to keep from loosing heat in the winter.

I don’t specifically remember the cereal counter, but I’m sure it was there. I do remember an office supply store where there was not much, and it was all behind counters. That store was in St. Petersburg, on the premises of the Singer Sewing Machine factory that had been built before the Revolution. It had lovely art nouveau ironwork on the staircase.


51 posted on 06/30/2012 12:16:50 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: moonshot925

Thanks for that interesting info., moonshot.

You always come through with neat info.

Cheap looking bunkers.

They didn’t do he and his wife any good.


52 posted on 06/30/2012 1:00:57 AM PDT by unkus
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To: moonshot925

I have visited the Peoples Republic of China and the Lao People’s Democratic Republic several times over the past twenty-five years.

Back in the 80s, China was still pretty much a communist totalitarian state. Now it seems as free as the US for a foreign traveler with cash to spend. A foreign traveler in China is certainly less likely to get asked for ID or searched than in the US. Chinese cops are genuinely friendly and helpful. Commentators on Chinese TV bluntly criticize the quality of government administrative functions and transparency (but not the CPC.) Books that honestly (that is to say, severely) criticize Mao are available for purchase. In the past one dared not speak of politics; now one can freely discuss ideas even with members of the Chinese Communist Party. Of course, I’m not a Tibetan or a Uyghur, or a South China peasant with two children trying to get a job in Shanghai. Their experience is entirely different from mine. On the other hand, from my discussions with local entrepreneurs, it’s easier to start a business there than here, and it’s a matter of fact that their business tax rates are lower than in the US.

Laos is even better than China. A foreign traveler sees very little government intrusion in everyday life and micro-entrepreneurs everywhere. On the plus side, you can rent a motorcycle for $6/day, go barhopping while innertubing down the river in Vang Vieng, go caving without a guide, get a sugar and cholesterol laden crepe and a cold beer from a street vendor for 50 cents each, and any other dangerous thing you want. All of which would be illegal or vastly more expensive in the US regulatory environment. They don’t have tort lawyers and nannystatists like Bloomberg. And, like China, tax rates are such that businessmen and wage-earners both get to keep more of the fruits of his labor than in the US. Of course, on the minus side, it’s still a very poor country. And, if you wreck the motorbike, or get drunk and drown after going down the zip line into the river in Vang Vieng, or fall in a crevice in that cave: tough luck. There’s no nanny state to indemnify stupidity.

Except for the NORK and Cuba, the world has changed ... and for the worse in the USA.


53 posted on 06/30/2012 3:14:57 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: moonshot925

Poland, East Germany, Ukraine, and Check Republic. Lots of left over Stalin era buildings. Saw many old barracks from the Austrian Hungarian empire that were Russian bases rotting away. Nice 3 story high brick buildings that could easily be turned into condos. Visited people in homes that weren’t too impressive from the outside but once you went inside they were modern and beautifully furnished. The east German and Polish Food markets were impressive. Much like Super Walmarts but far better looking and more of a food selection and no shortage of anything. Once you left the cities and went into the countryside, things weren’t as flashy. However, they are progressing, we seen what appeared to be housing developments here and there. They were even repairing and expanding the roads.

The older cities were becoming modern and some still retaining their Austrian-Hungarian look. Many of the smaller towns we saw were shoddy, it was like no one wanted to do work on the outside of their homes. We found that in Poland, or what was once Germany and now Polish territory. The Ukraine was disappointing, looks like they had a rough time. We didn’t go into the large cities, we suffered through the small towns and the worst roads. They reminded me of Tijuana in the 60’s. East Germany’s cities were like here in the states, as was Poland’s. You found graffiti on the walls of buildings which took a lot away from what was once a clean beautiful site.

The Communist style prefab block buildings were still being built. The old and new were also given brighter colors and murals. The strangest sight I saw in south Poland was the placing of 2 second generation Russian fighter aircraft on a farmer’s property as lawn ornaments.


54 posted on 06/30/2012 4:32:10 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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I was deployed to Uzbekistan in 2003. Managed two trips to Samarkand, my only time out of the U.S. compound. The drab old mixed with the colorful new. One section of the city was Little Moscow with the signs still in cyrillic (Uzbek is now written our way). More trucks than cars on the streets.

On base, the Uzbek interpreters were middle aged women who told me about the bad old Soviet days; nothing negative I have ever heard about communism was proven to be false. They described midnight arrests & relatives taken & never seen again. Yet they regarded Russia & things Russian as their window to the West. With Taliban infested Afghanistan to the southwest, this was understandable.

The young women (quite attractive, BTW) on the other hand had a strange nostalgia for Soviet rule even though it had ended when they were but children. Much more food, they said, was available under communism. Being part of a huge powerful nation (one girl told me she admired Stalin!). We Americans all agreed that these Central Asian lovelies now working as secretaries for Halliburton would in an earlier time have been some Soviet officers’ playthings.

I actually liked my time there but I appreciate so much more being an American even though we’re throwing it all away what makes this nation great.


55 posted on 06/30/2012 4:36:13 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: moonshot925

I knew a mechanical engineer tech rep that was a war orphan of WW2 and had bounced around most of Europe as a houseboy type hanger on with our troops and spoke several languages including Russian. He had been brought to the USA after turning 18, sponsored by some American veterans. He applied for citizenship and was quickly drafted for the Korean War. During the sixties he was sent to Russia on some kind of exchange program arranged by the state department and the Soviet purchase of an American powerplant boiler. He said that the Russian master mechanics was using wrenches they had hacksawed out from quarter inch steel plate and filed to fit the various sized fastners. He had taken three sets of Sears hand tools with him and gave them to the workers when he left and they regarded them as gold. He told many great stories about not letting them know he was fluent in Russian language for a couple of days after he had worked with them while they jabbered away about the corrupt Americaans.


56 posted on 06/30/2012 4:48:59 AM PDT by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
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To: moonshot925
Good thing the statue is not here in the States. It would be ‘grafiti-fied’ by punks from the Occupy or the ghey crowd.

Back on topic, I grew up in Taiwan under Martial Law. Apparently not communist country, but I DO know what it is like to have central government control (almost) everything.

57 posted on 06/30/2012 4:49:01 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: moonshot925
had to goto China near the Great Wall for work in the 80's

back in Beijing one of the Tech's realized he forgot to leave part of the drawing package at the plant and because they searched our rooms every day, an old Chinahand with us said "Roll it up and put it in the wastebasket, I guarantee somehow, someway, it will get to where it belongs."

he did, and we NEVER got a Telex stating they needed us to send them the drawings... scary

58 posted on 06/30/2012 6:16:07 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Lived and worked in Sichuan Province, China for three years from 2007 to 2010. A place at the foot of the most beautiful mountain in all of China - Emei Mountain. The town of Emei is small but rocking with mom and pop businesses. Capitalism is indeed alive and well. As long as a person stays out of politics, it seemed like any place in capitalist asia. People are friendly and helpful and my wife and I had the time of our lives. We go back every year to visit the university, my students and our friends. We are comfortable traveling all over China.

Additionally, I worked for a while in Laos but as a US official. Laos is backward, wonderful and the government simply sucks.

Between 1994 and 1997, we opened an English language school in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. Technically a newly formed democracy but still very socialist and communist. A dangerous place to live and work. An interesting place to live.


59 posted on 06/30/2012 7:03:10 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
BTTT.

Seems like we always prepare for the last war. China is convinced that they will regain Taiwan, the Taiwanese I know are convinced that they will be left alone based on China's self-interest. Much like Hong Kong.

Biggest difference - HK has HSBC financing the Chinese government.

60 posted on 06/30/2012 7:44:46 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: moonshot925

Two weeks ago I met a man who escaped Hungary in 1956 as the Soviet tanks were rolling across the Romanian border. Lived in U.S. since. This week he moved back to Hungary. He said he never though he’d be moving back to Hungary to escape communism.


61 posted on 06/30/2012 7:46:41 AM PDT by all the best (`~!)
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To: all the best

Not quite communism here in the States yet.

But this past Thursday, ‘We Are All Socialists Now’ by John Roberts. Or very close to it. We will see what happens next few months.

Yeah, I would never have dreamed USA to spiral downward like this, in such a short time. I came here in 1985, and it was a whole lot of different country back then.


62 posted on 06/30/2012 8:35:31 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: moonshot925

Visits only; New York City, Chicago, Boston, Newark, Columbus, St. Louis...


63 posted on 06/30/2012 9:42:08 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of LibertyI'm st! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: moonshot925

I got to go on a tightly controlled, guided tour of East Berlin when I was 10 or 11 in the late ‘80s. So from a child’s perspective: they seemed to be a hundred years behind the Western World in toy technology... Seriously though, in the area we were allowed to shop in, I was disappointed to find that the toys were all like something from my grandparent’s generation: wooden blocks, tin whistles, ball and cup, ect. Nothing electronic. I ended up getting a small brass telescope that turned out to be more decorative than functional.


64 posted on 06/30/2012 3:13:21 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: moonshot925

I lived on Taiwan for a few years in the Mid 1960’s. Not a communist country but it was effectively a totalitarian dictatorship/kleptocracy. Chiang Kai-Shek was the leader and his wife owned the only TV station on the Island. I remember the open-air sewers aka Benjo-ditches. The people were generally pretty poor with a very small middle-class mostly shop owners.

The houses for the most part had Steely-bars on the windows to keep out the thieves. The house we lived in had a raised cistern to provide minimal water pressure. The water however was not potable. We bought bottled water to drink like most people did. The hot water heater was coal fired and there was no air-conditioning.

I would say that the people were on the whole fairly content as long as the regime just left them alone. In many ways I would say that local populace was living the same lifestyle that their grand-parents and great grand-parents had lived.

Food was fairly plentiful as the majority of the country was still farmers. Oh yes, I nearly forgot, they were the darndest copiers of anything they could get their hands on. Intellectual property was nowhere in their lexicon.


65 posted on 06/30/2012 6:15:02 PM PDT by The Working Man
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