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WELL JIM, ENJOY THE BED YOU HAVE MADE: Quix's latest Opus Installment
TrueBlueRINOs antifreeper site ^ | on: Today at 11:38:49 AM | Quix

Posted on 07/04/2012 1:16:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Wellllllll Jim, Enjoy The Bed You’ve Made . SUMMARY: . IN COMPLEX INTERPERSONAL SITUATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS—WHO CAN KNOW WHAT IS “REALLY REAL?” APPEARANCES ARE WHAT IS REAL TO THE OBSERVER CONCERNED. So, in many respects, the REAL might be the opposite of the statements below. However, the statements ARE PERCEIVED TO BE—APPARENTLY REAL ENOUGH for evidently thousands of FREEPERS that only idiots would fail to give such assertions fitting prayerful pondering.

1. Your leadership and leadership culture are consistent with those of a fairly complex person—like many of us.

2. Your leadership and leadership team CAN be quite generous, forgiving, kind, patient, understanding, compassionate, stalwart, tough, durable, endearing, perceptive, sensitive, thoughtful, persistent, occasionally self-effacing, prefer peace and peacableness; . . .

3. Your leadership and leadership team CAN also be quite arrogant, mean-spirited, harsh, abusive, very foul-worded, hypocritical, mercenary, spiteful, !!!CONTROLLING!!!, narrow, rigid, brittle, prickly, vengeful, judgmental, erratic, flip-floppy, irrational, arbitrary, hypocritical, petty, shallow, prefer flailing about in bitter harsh ways . . .

4. Like all of us with such disadmirable traits, such junk MUST come from your early history and less than ideal fathering (or possibly mothering and/or both).

5. For whatever reasons you have failed to work such junk through very far or very thoroughly.

6. Which might be largely neither here nor there in the larger scheme of things—EXCEPT THAT—you HAVE BEEN GIVEN OF GOD an incredible honor, opportunity, calling, gift, mandate—which you have appeared to increasingly squander to alarming degrees on arrogance, greed, foul, petty, dishonorable ugliness and ineffectual chaotic nastiness, conflictedness, unnecessary contentiousness and the like.

7. As I’ve often said—it’s fine with me if FREEPERS make you rich every day. If a million FR users and lurkers wish to give you a dollar or 5 dollars a day or a month the rest of your life—GREAT. FR gives lots of usefulness, pleasure, relationships and community to many thousands of people daily day in and day out; year in and year out.

7.1 Given the importance of the financial aspect to so many people . . . here’s some comments I posted earlier:

7.2 There is FARRRR tooooo little transparency and candor in terms of finances generally and specifically.

7.3 There is FARRR TOOOOOOO much abuse of even long time users and big time donors. What kind of management brilliance does it take to run off for petty shallow reasons folks who donated $2,500 PER FREEPATHON . . . and folks who donated $500 PER FREEPATHON . . . folks who just left in disgust if not hurt and anger over the petty abuse they took (or their friends or people they respected took) for no good reason. There's evidently some sort of spiritual and psychodynamic sickness at the deep root of such nonsense. And it appears to be getting worse instead of better.

7.4 Begging for funds with various kinds of shallow manipulations and funky hogwash could just be harmless fun among friendly family . . . except that . . . those giving such funds faithfully for more than 10 years are NEVER REALLY SECURE in the RELATIONSHIP and not even in being able to enjoy the FR HOME THAT THEY PAID FOR AND HELPED BUILD from virtually the ground up.

7.5 At some point, the arrogant dogmatic !!!CONTROL!!! freaque domineering fist pounding that "IT'S HIS HOUSE!" "IT'S HIS LIVING ROOM!" is outrageous, hypocritical and just plain factual nonsense. It is FREEPERS who have built up the readership of FR. It is FREEPERS' creativity and writing skills and interesting personalities who have build up FR's once great attractiveness to a wider audience.

7.6 Who paid for the carpet? Who paid for the paint? Who paid for the furniture? Who paid for the pics on the wall? Who pays for the electricity? Who pays for the heat and air conditioning? Who pays the insurance? Who pays the other utilities? Who pays for the internet service? Who pays for the gardening? Who pays for the groceries? Who pays for the transportation? Who pays for the "coming soon servers" that never quite seem to arrive?

7.6.1 Just who is the guest of whom?

7.6.2 It appears that with readership down 16-20% over the last 6 months or so . . . an increasing number of people are flushing the 'guest' out of their lives.

7.7 Clearly, it's the FREEPER SHEEPLE who have been paying through the nose in the face of erratic, arbitrary, irrational abuse year in and year out--never knowing when the mean-streak is going to strike out and slap them hard or even ban them--sometimes in the foulest language any "Christian" was ever known to utter or write. And then their EXTENDED FAMILY that has become so dear and precious to them—sometimes their literal life-savers--will be suddenly flushed out of their lives with absolutely no recourse whatsoever.

7.8 It is ACTUALLY ABOUT AS REASONABLE to say that JR and family are the squatters in the FREEPERS' HOME. . . . you know . . . that old founding documents thing . . . OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE?

And even that wouldn’t be soooooo outrageous IF a REPRESENTATIVE sample (REPRESENTATIVE—AS IN “REPUBLIC”!!!) of the FREEPER COMMUNITY had a seat at the table to offer input and advice THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THOUGHTFULLY AND FAIRLY CONSIDERED each quarter. But, NOPE, the fist pounding, insecure, arrogant !!!CONTROL!!! freak domineering junk always rules.

8. HOWEVER, the mean-spirited, arrogant, hypocritical etc. junk has APPEARED to poison your well from the beginning. There have been gross hypocrisies. Early on you were reportedly utterly convinced (with good reason, actually) that Bush was complicit in drug running through Arkansas etc. Yet, fairly early on, you became convinced or persuaded that any discussion of conspiracy stuff on FR had to be forbidden—and mocked as absurdly untrue.

9. You would pontificate at length about maintaining a CONSISTENT stance as a Republic on the unchanging values and foundation of the founding fathers and founding documents. You claimed therewith to be the Premier Conservative website etc. in support thereof. All this was repeatedly stated with great pontifical emotion and fanfare while your leadership and leadership team APPEARED TO BE an erratic, irregular grossly inconsistent, grossly petty, shallow, flip-floppy and often a pathetic chaotic, haphazard, directionless mess.

10. Some folks have documented that few of the political figures you have ended up supporting have won. I don’t know that THAT means a huge lot, given the globalists insuring that the whole SElection/voting mess is 98% farce, charade, futile. However, there’s been a great deal of emotion, energy, expense, time, angst UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WASTED on !!!DEMANDING!!! that loyal FREEPERS support person XYZ and NOT ABC under pain of banning. Only to wake-up the next morning and have to flip-flop with the FR leadership team—too often—seemingly 180 degrees. And to do that with a straight face as though it were rational, made sense and was of benefit to the Republic has been more than a little off the wall and mystifying to thousands of FREEPERS. I don't know where folks were supposed to check their brains and integrity as they complied with the FR Pied Piper in following that nonsense lock-step.

11. You have evidently repeatedly and reportedly from the early years--returned evil for good. That’s been true toward individuals and toward classes and groups of individuals. There’s no excuse for that. None. There’s dozens of ways to avoid that in any kind of disagreement. SOMETIMES it has APPEARED that you and/or your leadership team have gone out of your way to do that—SOMETIMES SEEMINGLY in the meanest, harshest ways handy. Scripture is quite clear about the consequences of that kind of sowing.

12. You can be glibly self-effacing and disarmingly dismissive of the quality of your own Christianity, your leadership, your understanding . . . a list of things in that paragraph that ON THE SURFACE sounded and appeared impressive. Sadly, shortly after, it appeared to be merely propaganda for the FREEPATHON. It became quickly unclear how much of an earnest, heart-felt confession it really was—largely because there was no follow-up fruit of such a confession. It soon rang hollow and a farce. The arrogance, harshness and arbitrary and erratic !!!CONTROL!!! freak stuff quickly returned.

13. You and your leadership team have pontificated, exclaimed and wailed about !!!LOYALTY!!! and !!!BETRAYAL!!! while demonstrating the most petty and absurdly based disloyalty and outrageous betrayal of anyone who was ever a part of FR. You have absolutely no room to talk or complain about either one of those issues. You have merely reaped A PORTION of what you have so chronically, persistently and often mean-spiritedly sown in such regards. And your reaping is far from finished on such scores.

14. You have rightly and honorably claimed Christian values as a hallmark of your personally held priorities as well as FR’s priorities. Sometimes you have followed through—such as with your very admirable and honorable tenacious insistence that prayer threads be allowed in the main NEWS forum. By the same token, you have frequently demonstrated a hideous tendency to lapse into harsh, abusive, foul-mouthed communications publicly and privately—which would make many a sailor blush. None of us is 100% free 100% of the time of 100% of all hypocrisy. However, the frequency and ruthlessness of such foul-mouthed and arbitrary harshness out of clearly a mean-streak is NOT AT ALL a fruit of Holy Spirit. AT some point, perceptive, thinking and discerning folks have to ask themselves: Where is the real JimRob and just how much of an authentic Christian is he? And what game is he REALLY playing for what goal(s)? And doe HE even know or have a clue who he is and what he's about?

15. Many of us have been prayerful and seriously concerned about your health problems for a long time. However, sadly, even there some of us are troubled. Given the relationship between the MIND, BODY AND SPIRIT, one has to wonder if your health would be significantly better if your spiritual health and persistent demonstrations of your spirituality were more consistent with the advertising. In short—mean-spiritedness produces a troublesome harvest in the body, in relationships, in the psyche and certainly in the spirit. At some point, all the prayers in the world will not force a STUBBORN, mean-spirited ARROGANT soul to be better, healthy. As Scripture notes:

1 Samuel 15:23

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. . . .” I don’t know if the rest of that verse applies to you at present, or not. I know you’re on slippery ground on that score.

16. And IDOLATRY will NOT WORK for anyone—even the king of FR. It doesn’t matter if one nurses one’s own bitterness as idolatry; or if one idolizes one’s country; or one’s own press releases; or one’s FR baby or whatever. Idolatry is a deadly poison.

17. I’ve agonized for many months over how to write the compassionate but stern rebuke I felt pressed so strongly in my spirit to write. People either seem to suck-up to you in fierce psychophant fashion—or to trash you as a minion of satan. I see you more as a typical Attachment Disordered man hung up on some serious spiritual and psychodynamic flaws like most of us in our era. So what. However, to stubbornly cling to one’s arrogance, stubbornness, meanness . . . and to ALLOW, much less seem to exalt in spewing such all over the thousands of folks who give money for your support and the support of your baby . . . that is at best unwise and at worst a pretty hideous example of human excess.

18. I don’t know what God intends to do with you and/or FR. I know you are NOT indispensable. I know that FR will NOT significantly influence the corrupt farce of a November SElection process—if we get that far in any kind of functional shape as a Nation.

19. I know that you have been given a priceless gift and honor of ENORMOUS potential good for the Nation, millions of individuals and the Body of Christ. And you & your leadership team have appeared to squander horrendous chunks of that potential on pettiness, personal pique, arrogance, stubbornness, meanness, willful blindness and willful ignorance. I know that many thousands of people in and out of the Body of Christ who COULD HAVE BEEN FITTINGLY AND USEFULLY WARNED about the spiritual and practical hazards of satanic globalism as well as the fallen angel UFO stuff have not been warned because of y’all’s junk and the junk of the likes of JeanS and Dirtboy and their cadre of harpies. To the degree THAT is true, there will be embarrassing amounts of blood on such hands, come judgment day—unless confession and repentance are heart-felt effected before then—and even then, though it may cover such sins redemptively with Christ’s blood—it will not save thousands who would have otherwise been saved had such a sobering responsibility been carried more fittingly and Biblically earlier.

20. Yet again, as all of us every day—have a choice. You can continue as is most likely—as you have for decades. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And, I am well aware that you have rarely to never demonstrated, to my awareness, the least bit of a constructive response to negative feedback. It’s more likely that such a msg will result in a hardened heart, more arrogance and more stubbornness. That will be however it will be, with the responsibility for individual choices resting with each individual on your leadership team as well as on your supporters.

21. I only know of one priceless brilliant Christian in the upper levels of FR respect, who could likely help pull FR out of such a mess. You know who that is. You probably know they would be highly unlikely to ever say anything—particularly unasked. And, even if asked, they would likely be very sparse with their words—and it would be easy for you to discount, dismiss and ignore their wisdom. They would not push it. Shoot, they likely even would help you circle the wagons unless God made it clear they needed to do otherwise for your spiritual and other health.

22. Time is running out. Your options are shrinking daily in a list of ways as they are for all of us--unless we abide in Christ. I don’t know if Fresno is at a high enough elevation to escape coming traumas for California. I don’t think it is. Besides, the Chinese are not likely to be kind to Californians when they arrive to take possession of so much that they now own. I don’t’ know if HumbleGunner’s place in Texas is far enough from the coast and from Mexico to be wise either. I just know, you and all on the planet need to do MUCH BETTER at getting your spiritual house and your practical house in order--faster.

22. The question was raised in the FREE QUIX thread you closed yesterday about whether I’d like to return to FR. (A) I don’t feel the freedom to do that without your confession, repentance and evidence that you are going to sincerely back such confession and repentance up with “fruit” as the Bible might put it. Confess and repent about what? Whatever of the above that God would confirm as having validity and truth in your life. I suspect hell would freeze over before you’d humble yourself sufficiently to confess and repent. BTW, it needs to be public because your junk was flung about so freely publicly. (B) I don’t feel the freedom to return unless my posting options would cease to be curtailed by mindless, ignorant boundaries. That would include about globalism AS WELL AS the fallen angel UFO topic. I miss the relationship connections but God is God and always will be God and makes even that OK. Besides, folks can find me on this TBL forum.

22.1 Yes, THIS TOO is done as I’d want done toward me IF I’d demonstrated the junk you and your leadership has demonstrated for 11+ years. I’d want someone to care enough to try and starkly but caringly get my attention about such horrors in my life and turf.

23. I do thank you for the years I had on FR of many fulfilling and meaningful exchanges with very interesting people of great diversity but a lot of shared values. May God richly reward you for the humble part I had in all that.

24. I do pray that you earnestly do what you can to, by God’s Grace, truly get your act together. Reaping what we have sown can be a troublesome challenge for all of us. Given your evident current bent, I’d much hate to see any further reaping what you have sown.

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To: Star Traveler; onyx
"...he’s speaking from “his own authority” - but ALWAYS - speaking from what God’s Word says, and he quotes it and goes into the understanding..."

As that pastor interprets it, under that pastor's authority, not His authority.

Onyx my dear, I understand why you avoid the RF so assiduously: it's a sewer of dark euphemisms and poisonous semantic pedantry.

1,201 posted on 07/05/2012 7:02:31 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: NYTexan

Did you develop most of your code(s) to live by while a Texan or...you know...while you were one of THEM...in NY?


1,202 posted on 07/05/2012 7:03:00 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Star Traveler

“There’s no question about it ... Quix, while here on Free Republic, was a sincere, dedicated, Bible-believing and energetic Christian - helping and posting whenever and wherever he could.”

No there is no question about it . . . Quix while here was the kind of Christian poster who drives people away from Christ not toward Him.


1,203 posted on 07/05/2012 7:03:26 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Star Traveler

Yes, abortion is horrible. It destroys the moral fibre of our nation and makes us more indifferent to the plight of others.

Whatever gays do, on the other hand, doesn’t kill anyone except maybe themselves, and affects only a small percentage of the population.


1,204 posted on 07/05/2012 7:04:56 PM PDT by altura (Vote Romney. He's our only hope.)
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To: NYTexan

Those are life lessons that I learned the hard way. Too bad I didn’t just wait to hear them from you. That would have been so much less painful, LOL!

When you write that book, let me know, K? ;-)


1,205 posted on 07/05/2012 7:09:05 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Resettozero

While having been born in TX, I spose it comes naturally.

I was just hijacked by my parents to suffer the many years away from bliss.


1,206 posted on 07/05/2012 7:09:52 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: TheOldLady

Hey! I saw that! You’re flirting with another man!


1,207 posted on 07/05/2012 7:10:20 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Sir_Ed

[I miss some of those banned Freepers]

Many people do Ed. It’s strange to read through a thread from just a few years ago and see so many people who are gone!

Funny thing, you and I both joined Free Republic in Oct of 2001.


1,208 posted on 07/05/2012 7:11:05 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: NYTexan

Well, alright then. Just stay away from TheOldLady. I saw her first today.


1,209 posted on 07/05/2012 7:12:23 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: altura
Whatever gays do, on the other hand, doesn’t kill anyone except maybe themselves, and affects only a small percentage of the population.

I have to disagree. They recruit. And they look for lonely and confused young people thereby spreading their sickness. They also use children.

Abortion murders more people but homosexuality enslaves and kills souls.

1,210 posted on 07/05/2012 7:12:37 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: All

Jim,

If more people made a bed and slept in it like you have, the world would be a better place.

Well done!


1,211 posted on 07/05/2012 7:13:10 PM PDT by stevestras
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To: altura
I said that gay marriage is not my main social issue

Not your 'main social issue' yet you felt so passionate about it that you deemed it necessary to disparage the entire population of this forum?

—I just wanted to say that I am not a homophobe, which seems to be a requirement on Free Republic.
~altura

1,212 posted on 07/05/2012 7:13:51 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: Jim Robinson

I dunno. Quix was certainly quixotic, but I can skim past his more, let’s say “out there” stuff as well as the next person. There are lots more people whose posts I miss here because they’ve been banned, so I don’t know why I’m jumping in here.

I usually stay out of these sorts of things, but I just thought I’d put in my two cents.

FWIW.


1,213 posted on 07/05/2012 7:14:34 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: svcw

I just read the Wikipedia entry for THX1138. It was George Lucas’ first film and it sounds like an interesting movie. I don’t think I have ever seen it but will be sure and look for it now. Thanks.


1,214 posted on 07/05/2012 7:16:41 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Resettozero; NYTexan

I can’t flirt with NYTexan! He’s already my friend.

Jealousy is an ugly thing. ;-)


1,215 posted on 07/05/2012 7:21:36 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

Well, okay then, for now. But I’m putting his name on my new list I started today. List of FReepers who may be mashers. Good night all.


1,216 posted on 07/05/2012 7:24:04 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Good night, sweetie. Nice meeting you. Ping me!

NYTexan is not a masher! Gee whiz!


1,217 posted on 07/05/2012 7:26:30 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: humblegunner; greyfoxx39; Marcella

” - - - Failing that, my pure heart and clean living will keep me safe. “

I’ll drink to that!

BTW, there are no bad sides to Folks who live in TEXAS, but some sides are better than others.

Glad everyone is OK. I’ll see y’all at Traitor John’s next week, as over the Fourth they ran out of Kool-Aid for a whole week! The Fourth is a very bad time for Libs.

BTW, BTW, did you hear that Traitor Jim is working on a Book Deal? Yep. Something entitled “Profile of Cowards.”

They asked Justice Kennedy if he wanted to be in the chapter about the on again, off again cowardly Liberal, but he couldn’t make up his mind.


1,218 posted on 07/05/2012 7:34:43 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: STARWISE

Starwise, I just visited your home page. Great stuff! ;-0)


1,219 posted on 07/05/2012 7:37:42 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Norm Lenhart; Jim Robinson

Amen. What’s so hard to understand here?

Vote conservatives in the primary, vote for down ticket conservatives in the election, let the gopers suck rocks.

It’s an election year, and things tend to get a bit wound up around here, but I can see November from my house, out here in the smouldering Great Basin, and I have the greatest expectaions for a Reaganistic shutout of the commie bastards... after all, I’m an awesomist.

“Everything’s gonna be okay.” - “Little” Phil Little, CVA-63, Gulf of Tonkin, 1968

Keep yer powder dry, our future can turn to our favor yet...


1,220 posted on 07/05/2012 7:40:42 PM PDT by glock rocks (optimist / pessimist? I'm an awesomist - There's a dragon in that glass!)
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To: mountainlion
Is this guy drunk or on drugs or just a poor writer? I can’t tell because he doesn’t make sense to me.

You read it? I tried and couldn't.

1,221 posted on 07/05/2012 7:43:20 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: ArrogantBustard

Quoting the Bible is “anti-Catholic vitriol” according to lots of catholics here.


1,222 posted on 07/05/2012 7:43:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Resettozero

I’m not going to to your work for you!

If you want it, go get it. This thread is ripe with examples!


1,223 posted on 07/05/2012 7:46:10 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate pragmatists!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Lying about what "group-X" believes is "anti-group-X" vitriol regardless of who "group-X" actually is.

For some folks on here, lying about Catholic belief and practice is a sick, weird, obsessed hobby.

I advise you not to protest too much.

1,224 posted on 07/05/2012 7:49:54 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: boatbums

I know I didn’t make a big point of this, but it’s worthwhile to say. The church I go to — belongs to the “Southern Baptist Convention” and yes, I go there, but I don’t consider myself to be anything other than just a Christian who believes what the Bible says, in being the very word of God, Himself.

The way I look at it, that doesn’t make me a “Southern Baptist” just because I go there (although I don’t have a big problem with them).

AND ... the “naming conventions” ... like dispensational or pre-millennial or pre-tribulational are just that - “naming conventions” and not something to adhere to directly - in and of themselves. They’re merely a “shorthand designation” for what the Bible says.

It’s a way of categorizing things and labeling them so you don’t have to read out loud a whole series of Scriptures to then say — “that’s what I believe”. If you do that - you might as well read the whole Bible out loud - FIRST - and then say - “That’s what I believe and what I am.” ... :-). However, that would take several months to read out loud, and most people would not stick around to find out ... LOL ... so ... you just use these “short-hand desginations” for conversational purposes.

SO ... these are just “naming conventions” [the “dispensational” designation, the “pre-millennial” designation and the “pre-tribulational” designation]. They are not - in and of themselves - something to be “adhered” to. They are “explanations” in short-hand form of what an entire study of that subject area in the Bible, from many scripture passages - would say on its own - directly from the Bible.

At one time, it was sufficient to say, simply, “I am a Christian.” But, then it progressively became more complicated, as others started to ignore what the Bible said about various subjects it addresses - and people still called themselves “Christian” - when they were actually departing from the faith - and not really “upholding” it.

SO ... it began to be said that “I am a Christian” - with a proviso added - whatever was needed for that day and age to distinguish from the false teachers and the false Christians.

At this point in time - for “this day and age” - if one adds the provisos of - “dispensational” (which usually covers pre-mil and pre-trib), plus a reference to the “Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy” - then they can “cover all their bases” and be clear on the true Christian message - which comes from the Bible.

Thus there’s several things here. One is that you’re not a Christian based on any church you go to. It has nothing to do with any church you go to. No church membership counts for ANYTHING in being a Christian. Thus, that’s one reason why I don’t emphasize church membership - unless someone really wants to know - then I tell them.

Then it has to do with “identifying oneself” in what a Christian really is - having to do with the Gospel according to the Scriptures - in which the Scriptures are the only basis and authority for the Christian (that’s the “Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy” designation) and then it has to do with clearing up the position of what the Bible teaches - by specifying the “short-hand notation or “designation” of categories - called “pre-millennial”, “pre-tribulational” and “dispensational”.

Thus, none of this supplants or replaces the Bible but is simply a “short-hand notation” to let people know what the Bible says - without reading it out loud to them for several months, continuously ... :-)


1,225 posted on 07/05/2012 7:57:32 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

“Yes, he was a true defender of the faith - and that would be the faith as delivered from the word of God. He was against cults and cult groups - but faithful to what the Word of God said.

SO ... I think that many of those who were (are) against him, would actually be against others, too - who also defended the faith, as spoken from the Word of God, in the Holy Scriptures. But, that’s not surprising - as we’re told that the “world” (for the most part) will not listen to or adhere to the Word of God, preferring to take other “men” as their authority.”

Why not start a thread on the Religion Forum? Invite Quix who was one of the nastiest posters on that forum ever.

And he does need prayers. Anyone that filled with hate needs all the prayers they can get.


1,226 posted on 07/05/2012 7:57:58 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Star Traveler
Abortion is a key issue and I was first involved (more politically than I was before) in it - when Francis Schaeffer and C. Everett Koop (Surgeon General under President Reagan) went on their seminars in the US and around the world.

I did not get to attend any of those seminars, but I think it would not be wrong to suggest that their efforts were a big reason why today the pro-life side is in the majority. I DID read some of their literature and it was spot on in cornering those who wanted everyone to ignore the reality of human life in its early stages.

1,227 posted on 07/05/2012 8:04:20 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Well, this is the thread “about” Quix ... and since he’s not on Free Republic any more - it wouldn’t do any good to invite him.

As far as being a nasty poster ... well ... Jesus was consider nasty to some that he talked to - also. He said ...

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.”

I would be willing to bet that Jesus would be BANNED from Free Republic, if he said this type of thing online to some group of religious people here. And in this instance, Jesus was talking directly to “people” and not merely describing some “institutional teaching” or “doctrine”.

In addition to that ... I would be willing to bet that someone (today) would call the police on Jesus, and have them charge him with the destruction of property and assault on people, too!

When He went into the Temple and overturned and scattered goods and took a whip of cords and drove people out of the area - that was destruction of property and assault (in today’s terms). So, if Jesus were here today - and he were to do that - the police would be called and he would be getting some “charges” laid against him from the D.A.’s office ... :-)

The bottom line is that Jesus and the Bible doesn’t go by our society’s rules and ways of conduct with each other - and Jesus and the Bible doesn’t even go by our laws and rules and regulations. Jesus goes by His Father’s laws - which will - when He comes again - go completely against the actual “laws of the land” as we have voted into being - even here in the good ole USA!


1,228 posted on 07/05/2012 8:09:42 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Thank you very much.
I finally fixed the links to
Pope John Paul II’s words set
to stirring orchestration, so
they’re working now.


1,229 posted on 07/05/2012 8:13:42 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: editor-surveyor

That’s so true ... as I’ve seen it myself.

Speaking just the Bible alone is absolutely dangerous to some people. They can’t have that - as it is simply God’s word, alone, and authoritative and doesn’t take “human side” or adhere to what one politician says over another, or support any human institutional organization that is formed under “government contract” to be a “church”.

The “church” in the Bible is simply the composite whole of the ones who adhere to His Word in terms of what He says, in the Gospel about Salvation. Those who do so - they are “the church” - the “living church” and not some man-made building or any man-made organization.

Believers may gather there (in some building), but that building is not really “the church” and no organization on this earth is “the church”. Our only leader is Jesus Christ Himself — and no pastor or priest or rabbi is - but just Jesus and His Word.


1,230 posted on 07/05/2012 8:19:55 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: boatbums

I started gathering Francis Schaeffer’s films after that seminar and reading more of his books. But, then again, I had already been reading his books before those seminars, which is the reason why I knew I had to go.

Afterwards, over the next few years, I gathered up videos that he had made and bought several of his long series of films direct from his place in San Jose (where his son and a partner in the business of making those films were). I went down there to make sure I could get all of them that I wanted and then I lent them out to churches and others who were interested in them.

After those seminars, I remember when the video the Silent Scream came out and I got one of the first copies available and it was in the news that it was coming out. Well, since I had been lending out Francis Schaeffer’s videos and films - I knew I had to get that Silent Scream, too. I connected with a Catholic agency of some sort that dealt with opposing abortion and told them that I had it available. They told the local news station in Portland, Oregon that I had it and then the news station called me to verify and I told them yes - so they were going to feature on a noon news segment where people could go to get this video. I was one of about three or four listed.

My phone rang off the hook immediately when that news station aired that segment and some people were mad (and cussing me out) and others were interested and wanted to see it.

SO ... Francis Schaeffer was definitely instrumental for me - but I was already interested in Francis Schaeffer before the abortion issue came up for me, so it was a natural progression for me.


1,231 posted on 07/05/2012 8:31:14 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Finny

1200+ posts ... I can see I have a lot of catching up to do. I hope it was a fun thread!


1,232 posted on 07/05/2012 8:37:46 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

That’s an excuse that no one is going to be able to use before God, if they refuse to accept the Salvation He has provided exclusively through His Son, Jesus, the Messiah of Israel.

SO ... it really doesn’t matter if someone stands up and says, “Quix drove me away!”. That’s simply not going to work. And it’s a really poor excuse anyway. Since when did whatever someone feels slighted or insulted by (from someone else towards them) - determine the “reality of life” around them.

It would be like saying to a cop ... “I ran the red light because I was mad at how I was treated by ‘so-and-so’ ... “ The cop would say, “Tell it to the Judge! Here’s your ticket!” ... LOL ...


1,233 posted on 07/05/2012 8:38:50 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Yes, Jesus is my Savior and I am thankful every single day that God led me to the Catholic Church where I was baptized and washed free from my sins and into God’s grace and love at Easter Vigil 2008.

As far as I am concerned Quix was not a loving Christian example. God is love. Making fun of or disparaging other beliefs is not loving and is not the way to help people know the love of Christ.


1,234 posted on 07/05/2012 8:46:00 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Amen!


1,235 posted on 07/05/2012 8:51:23 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Graewoulf
BTW, BTW, did you hear that Traitor Jim is working on a Book Deal? Yep. Something entitled “Profile of Cowards.”

Or "Conspiracy a go go".

1,236 posted on 07/05/2012 8:57:14 PM PDT by sadponies
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THX 1138 march continues


1,237 posted on 07/05/2012 8:58:03 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: dynachrome

He’s on his rails OK, but those rails don’t go in FR’s direction. He’s not the first guy to try to plot a side course here, and he definitely will not be the last.


1,238 posted on 07/05/2012 9:06:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Star Traveler
Thus there’s several things here. One is that you’re not a Christian based on any church you go to. It has nothing to do with any church you go to. No church membership counts for ANYTHING in being a Christian. Thus, that’s one reason why I don’t emphasize church membership - unless someone really wants to know - then I tell them.

I 100% agree with you! I feel the same way and when asked what "religion" I am, I answer "Christian". What happened to you on this thread when you were queried about what your denomination or whatever religion you followed is a typical question that mostly comes from one "specific" religion represented by those who are acting the most hostile to your comments here. I won't name it, but I think you probably know what I am talking about. It is an ongoing tactic whose sole purpose is to "pigeonhole" and label people. If you say you are a Presbyterian, for example, you will soon be met with a truckload of all the things wrong with the Presbyterian church and all the scandals are trumpeted because you may have at one point or another commented about that "specific" religion's like problem.

No matter how open we are to talk about our beliefs on ANY topic of Christianity, the revelation of our church's "label" will be used to parse whatever we may have to say. This is the main reason why - though some of us have been hounded and harassed to identify said label - we refuse to do so. This is NOT because of shame or any other reason other than we do not identify as Baptist or Presbyterian or Lutheran or Methodist, etc. primarily simply because we see ourselves as Christians who worship and fellowship with "...." Church. Usually, not jumping to every question about denominations is looked at by them, or at least intimated, as being "ashamed" of our denomination. Which is NOT the case at all and is simply because we want to avoid being lumped into a pot with a label on the outside that can then be used to paint everyone with the same brush. Refusal to identify is met with derision, usually, and often met by accusations of the silliest nature all in the quest to badger you into answering.

They seem to not understand that we would rather be considered as Bible-believing Christians first, who are capable of discussing doctrines of our Christian faith free from canned statements of faith or creeds that may or may not fully define our exact views. Those of the "specific" faith claim that every one of them all believes the same things, yet we know that even then there are nuances and various "interpretations" of dogmas that don't always match with everyone else. And that the professed and boasted UNITY isn't all that unified.

Just be aware that, because you have identified the name on the sign outside your chosen assembly place, you can expect some people will use it against you in whatever way they can. They are simply incapable of separating the believer from his chosen place of worship and do not, or will not, engage on discussions of doctrines as individuals. I really do think some cannot imagine anyone is able to know not only what they believe but WHY they believe it. They only know they believe what they are TOLD to believe and they have no freedom to examine other sides. It makes it difficult, sometimes, to dialog on the Religion Forum because disagreement with "specific" church's doctrines is seen as personal insults - as has already been evidenced on this thread. Not all are like this, of course, there ARE some who can engage respectfully and agree to disagree when it comes to it.

1,239 posted on 07/05/2012 9:07:23 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

The best love that someone can display to another person - in terms of the Gospel per the Scriptures - is the kind that slaps down any and all false doctrines and false teachings and upholds the Word of God as the final authority.

The best love that Jesus displayed (in this same sense) is the love that was displayed by his statement ...

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.”

And also what was displayed by Jesus when He aggressively and forcefully overturned tables and whipped those certain people out of that area of the Temple where they were. As I said earlier about this - in today’s multi-cultural society - that would get Jesus arrested for assault and destruction of property - but that does show how Jesus acted and thought about these kinds of things.

Also, another aspect to this - is what Jesus said in regards to what He was bringing to the world. He said he was not bringing peace and tranquility - but He was bringing DIVISION ... one person against another - because the true Gospel, as given by the Word of God - brings about DIVISION and not harmony. Jesus made this clear by what He said here ...

34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 “For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.”
— Matthew 10:34-36

51 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three...”
— Luke 12:51,52

The Gospel of Salvation brings DIVISION in the world - and not Peace! Peace will only come AFTER Jesus returns and when He sets up his earthly kingdom - where we are right now.

All you have to do is look at the prophets from the Old Testament and how they cried out about the word of God and they did not spare anyone’s feelings. The spoke just like Jesus spoke above and they created DIVISION just like Jesus said He was creating by His coming.


1,240 posted on 07/05/2012 9:08:05 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: ArrogantBustard

One must protest to have a Biblical Christian testimony.

That which is counter to God’s word is Counter to Christ.


1,241 posted on 07/05/2012 9:10:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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ph


1,242 posted on 07/05/2012 9:29:24 PM PDT by xone
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To: Jim Robinson

That rant is so long and rambling that I don’t even know what he was complaining about. He needs to take a course to teach him how to get to the point before readers fall asleep.

I wonder how many at TBL made it all the way through it.


1,243 posted on 07/05/2012 9:30:19 PM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: potlatch

October 2001, how cool!

I love Freep...I spend more time on it than I watch TV or read the newspaper.

See ya’,

Ed


1,244 posted on 07/05/2012 9:37:14 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Not gonna take it anymore; Star Traveler; Jim Robinson
No there is no question about it . . . Quix while here was the kind of Christian poster who drives people away from Christ not toward Him.

I don't think that is a fair statement about Quix. There were MANY times that he was patient, kind hearted and tolerant - probably MOST times on the RF he was that way. There were several people who intentionally instigated and provoked the nasty tone they got back - it was NOT his initial reaction at all - but he loved the Lord Jesus and nobody can truthfully deny that. I saw Quix change over the years on the RF especially - I even got into disagreements with him over certain issues in the later days he was here. But for many years he was a strong co-advocate for the Gospel of grace and did not let the taunts and ridicule effect him. I guess everyone has their breaking point.

I think he was wrong to channel his anger into a rival site that exists to disparage Free Republic and Jim Robinson in particular. That is NOT how disputes should be handled and, in this critical election coming up, we need to band together to defeat the enemies of our great country. I'm sorry that Quix chose to go this route and I pray that he finds peace and the strength to forgive and ask forgiveness. None of us can live without it! Bitterness destroys from the inside out.

1,245 posted on 07/05/2012 9:53:24 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Star Traveler

I rebuke you in the name of Jesus.
***Dude, Star Traveler invited you to open a Religious Forum thread. Take it over there.


1,246 posted on 07/05/2012 10:45:17 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: TruthConquers

Official freepercide, riding the lightning. This could turn into another bugzapper thread.


1,247 posted on 07/05/2012 10:50:19 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Quix

So Long Quix, it’s been good knowing you, but you forgot to do the most important thing, push back from the pc and take a break.

I too have had my moments with FR, many brought on by myself, and many brought on by others, but before I ever truly do what I would regret I push away and go do something else.

Even for a few weeks at times, but getting away always makes the heart grow fonder.

Well Quix, you will be missed my FRiend.

Chuck


1,248 posted on 07/05/2012 10:54:46 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: potlatch; rogue yam

I didn’t know Quix, the subject of the thread, at all, except to see his/her postings every now and then. Some I agreed with, and some I didn’t. He/she seemed like a sweet, gentle soul, though, if somewhat quirky.

However, WRT your history on the various anti-freeper sites, you are exactly right! Especially with the people (Bug Zapper thread) involved.

I’ve known about your hearing loss for some time and, in this case, it was an asset.

Rogue Yam, if someone signed up as you, and it wasn’t you, I hope the fallout isn’t on this forum. You don’t deserve that, no matter what your opinions are. For someone to do that is just wrong.

I haven’t read much of the thread and, quite frankly, I’m going to forget about it, now.


1,249 posted on 07/05/2012 11:52:32 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Politicalmom
You were smarter than I was. I played it "safe" and voted for Arnold. Now we've got Jerry Brown.

Imagine the next Democrat if Romney gets in -- he'll make Obama look like John Birch.

1,250 posted on 07/06/2012 1:00:28 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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