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Posted on 07/13/2012 12:55:16 PM PDT by PA BOOKENDS

I have to say, I’m disappointed and a little concerned by the reaction of some of my freeper friends to the Sandusky / Penn State scandal. Full disclosure: I graduated from PSU in 1970. Am not a member of the Alumni Association, have been back for, maybe, 5 games since 1970. Very much on the periphery of all things Penn State.

For the class of ‘70, the JoPa phenomenon (“JoPa” hadn’t even been coined, yet.) hadn’t materialized. Nevertheless, living in Pennsylvania, one could hardly be oblivious to the success of the football team or Paterno’s philosophy. We were happy to see someone who was not only successful, but successful with honor and class.

And this is what brings me to this vanity. So many of you seem to resent that very notion. You apparently held so much animus toward Paterno BEFORE ANY OF THIS EVER CAME OUT, that the very second it hit the fan you couldn’t wait to jump on the down-with-Joe bandwagon. Some of you exhibit so much glee at Joe’s downfall that you come very close to behaving as you accuse him – a willingness to throw a few boys under the bus if it can bring down JoPa & Penn State. Why do you take such joy in seeing a man’s lifework – GOOD work - destroyed?

That Joe couldn’t, perhaps, live up to the ideals he espoused doesn’t make the message any less worthwhile nor does it repudiate the good that he did do. In every sense, his life is the classic story of a Greek tragedy – something the Brown English major would understand!

And to those of you who are so cock-sure of how you would react in any given situation, it is with trepidation that I say: I hope you get the chance to find out.


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1 posted on 07/13/2012 12:55:25 PM PDT by PA BOOKENDS
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Only a moron, or a piece of crap could write what you just did. Joe didn’t live up to his ideals? Joe Paterno was a vile and loathsome creature who facilitated another, even more vile and loathsome creature. He didn’t just make a mistake. He did evil.

I had no opinion of Joe Paterno prior to this scandal. Now, I hope he rots in hell.


2 posted on 07/13/2012 1:02:19 PM PDT by Lucas McCain
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Do you believe in homosexual adoption?


3 posted on 07/13/2012 1:03:11 PM PDT by donna (Mitt quote: ..gay couples raising kids. That's the American way..(Penn ST feels same about showers))
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To: PA BOOKENDS

What are his good works? I assume donating cash to PSU and probably to the library. What else is there?


4 posted on 07/13/2012 1:04:21 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Hey, Adolph liked kids and dogs.


5 posted on 07/13/2012 1:06:14 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Lucas McCain
Joe Paterno was a vile and loathsome creature who facilitated another, even more vile and loathsome creature.

When one compromises with evil, evil wins.

6 posted on 07/13/2012 1:06:26 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: PA BOOKENDS
And he helped cover up for a child sex predator and child sex crimes that HE KNEW ABOUT.

So much for honor and class...

He is scum who only cared about HIMSELF.

We were happy to see someone who was not only successful, but successful with honor and class.

7 posted on 07/13/2012 1:06:26 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: PA BOOKENDS
I hope you get the chance to find out.

I really hope this is your Opus. What kind of scumbag hopes others get caught in a decades long child sex scandal so they can adjust their thinking to yours.
8 posted on 07/13/2012 1:06:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

9 posted on 07/13/2012 1:06:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS
You are like an abused and beaten wife. Too stupid to know that you have been lied to.

Grow up and face the facts.


10 posted on 07/13/2012 1:07:45 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS
I've always loved Penn State football, but as my BIL says who coaches in Texas,

"You are what you tolerate"

11 posted on 07/13/2012 1:07:55 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Armpitball coach, a National Hero! Let’s build him monuments.


12 posted on 07/13/2012 1:08:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Mr. Bookends, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


13 posted on 07/13/2012 1:08:58 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: PA BOOKENDS
Joe Paterno engaged in a decades-long criminal conspiracy to protect a pedophile who was raping little boys in the same building in which Paterno had an office.

Those are the facts. I don't think anything more needs to be said about the man's “legacy.”

14 posted on 07/13/2012 1:09:06 PM PDT by mojito
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Note to self: If I ever wake up with an irresistible urge to convince the entire FR that I’m a complete a**hole - write an vanity like this.


15 posted on 07/13/2012 1:09:14 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

You’re probably just upset that the cover-up was unsuccessful (Sis-boom-bah!).


16 posted on 07/13/2012 1:10:00 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: AAABEST
Note to self: If I ever wake up with an irresistible urge to convince the entire FR that I’m a complete a**hole - write an vanity like this.

You owe me a keyboard. You'd think I would have learned after 14 years not to lurk with a mouth full of Coke.

17 posted on 07/13/2012 1:12:50 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

I am in Georgia, have no concern for Penn State nor Paterno. Could care less if they win or lose every game. But I am sure of one thing-—if I was told of anyone, be it coach, teacher, parent, anyone, I would report it and stay on it until I knew the problem was being taken care of. I have a son and a grandson and I can’t imagine the horror the boys and the parents are going through. This cover up made me sick as I read about it. I wish his wife would be put in a cell beside him because she is guilty of covering it up too.
Sorry if you feel the people on here are glad the mighty Penn State has been soiled. I would be willing to bet not many feel that way, they are probably parents and grandparents like me that learned 18 plus years a man molested young boys, people knew and nothing was done.


18 posted on 07/13/2012 1:12:56 PM PDT by sibb1213
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To: Responsibility2nd

Penn State needs a Scorched Earth Policy set in place.

19 posted on 07/13/2012 1:13:36 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

I was one of the wait and see people on this. I waited. Didn’t like what I saw. Those who first slammed Paterno were correct.


20 posted on 07/13/2012 1:14:05 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

It doesn’t matter to me that some might have a dislike of Paterno. I don’t know why, if they even did. I never did. All I knew of him was his record and longevity, his public reputation and living legend status.

I’ve always focused on the heinous nature of Sandusky’s crimes that went on and on and on. Sandusky and his enabling wife make me physically ill.

Secondarily, I have thoughts that after the witnessed incident, coupled with everyone’s knowledge that Sandusky was always palling around with young boys and showering etc, right under their noses at PSU, something should have been done by somebody but nothing ever was.

Therefore, the abuse went on right there for years.

People say Paterno WAS in a position to have done something, but didn’t. Paterno’s family vows he didn’t believe Sandusky was guilty of anything other than unwise appearance behavior and had he realized exactly what Sandusky was doing he WOULD have done something.

This strikes me as possibly wishful thinking by Paterno himself. If he wasn’t very upset and concerned about the situation, enough to do much more, then I would think he simply refused to admit to his own mind the ugly truth.

My mind and heart are with the victims.

I cry for them.

Paterno?

Everyone knows his legacy, and everyone has to admit his legacy is tarnished, and the man has died and there’s no going back.


21 posted on 07/13/2012 1:16:27 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: PA BOOKENDS
I hate all athletic programs in all colleges. I think colleges should focus on academics, but that is probably crazy talk in the eyes of the willfully blind.

This is a case where the chickens came home to roost. Athletic programs have forever trumped a good education for the 'student' athletes, but now Athletic programs trump any crime committed by successful coaches and their staff.

22 posted on 07/13/2012 1:16:57 PM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: PA BOOKENDS
And to those of you who are so cock-sure of how you would react in any given situation, it is with trepidation that I say: I hope you get the chance to find out.

I feel quite confident when I say that if I ever saw a child being molested in a shower, my immediate reaction would be impersonate Jack Tatum crippling Darryl Stingley...for starters.

23 posted on 07/13/2012 1:17:14 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

This insane screed really deserves a zot. Defending the homosexual agenda has no place at all on Free Republic, a pro-God, pro-life Conservative forum.


24 posted on 07/13/2012 1:18:47 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Night Hides Not

Not to hijack this thread, but man... I LOVED watching those things fire. BBBBBBRRRRRRRPPPP!

Were you in a vulcan?

25 posted on 07/13/2012 1:20:01 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: lightman

Unfortunately the tendency to cover up less than stellar and criminal behavior is fairly common in college towns with serious sports programs.

Back in the 80s when my sister was living in married off campus housing at MSU she was managing the building and had a big Spartan basketball star’s car towed away. This future NBA pro trashed her car with a tire iron and kicked the door off her apartment.

He was arrested and given a slap on the wrist by a judge who was more interested in the star’s pro prospects. MSU paid for the damages and explained that her husband was a student at the school and not dropping the matter might harm his college career.


26 posted on 07/13/2012 1:20:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Let me call you a Whaaaambulance.


27 posted on 07/13/2012 1:20:15 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Its reactions like this that make me hope for the sake of PSU’s soul, that the program is shut down. The university from the top down allowed a known pedophile to freely roam the showers and take underage boys on bowl trips. They covered it up to save dear ol’ Joe Pa and the “perfect” reputation of “Happy” Valley.

We may never know how many victims were in some way abused by Sandusky. I suspect that the ones that testified were but a small fraction of the total. How many young boys could have been saved if ANYONE at PSU had thought of the boys over dear ol’ Joe Pa and PSU?

I know what I would have done if I saw a grown man molesting a boy in a shower. And I think most normal, compassionate humans would have reacted similarly. If only SOMEONE had done the right thing and placed the lives of those boys above the university.

BUT THEY DIDN’T. And for that reason, PSU and its supporters who seemingly “don’t get it”, need a serious wake up call. Sports and/or the reputation of a university, NEVER trumps the safety of a child.


28 posted on 07/13/2012 1:21:02 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: PA BOOKENDS

I have a hard time fathoming how people like you continue to support anything related to Paterno or Penn St. football. Donations to PSU went through the roof in the wake of the scandal. Way to roll out the red carpet for someone who covered up the horrific acts of a gay serial pedophile.


29 posted on 07/13/2012 1:21:19 PM PDT by KingOfVagabonds
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You are pathetic!

I agree with Dr. Keith Ablow. Paterno taught a few hundred young men how to block and tackle. Paterno refused to stop the rape of dozens of boys when he had knowledge of the events and the ability to take action.

Paterno was a repulsive coward, and for this, many innocents paid a huge price.

See Ablow’s full comments here:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/13/good-riddance-joe-paterno/


30 posted on 07/13/2012 1:21:47 PM PDT by miserare
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Mr Paterno wasn’t evil, me thunks, he was just another dumb jock.


31 posted on 07/13/2012 1:22:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

If this had happened at my alma mater, I would be MORE upset than anyone.

I would be raising cane to change EVERYTHING. Change the school’s name, team colors, mascot, everything. They have hurt you and every alumni who went through their school. Can anyone look at a resume with a Penn State alum and not have at least a second of negative thoughts?


32 posted on 07/13/2012 1:24:10 PM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: PA BOOKENDS

This is a joke right? You cannot be stupid enough to believe what was typed so it has to be a joke...


33 posted on 07/13/2012 1:24:32 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: darkwing104; Old Sarge; TheOldLady

IBTZ Ping.


34 posted on 07/13/2012 1:24:32 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Graduated HS in 1968. Since I had/have a good grade average and very high IQ (160+) and SAT (~1100) I was offered a full scholarship to PSU.

My dad who was very ill at the time tore the application up while in his hospital bed. He lectured me about how PSU was a very good school but basically turned out elitist, snobbish, leftist automatons.

He didn’t want me to be one of them. He wanted me to go to a Grove City, small school.

At the time it hurt and I didn’t understand. I rebelled. I didn’t want to go to school. I thought he was a moron.

Then he passed.

Over the years I have realized how smart he was!

THANKS DAD! I LOVE YA MAN!


35 posted on 07/13/2012 1:25:11 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Revolting cat!

All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Of course now I question if Paterno indeed was evil, himself.


36 posted on 07/13/2012 1:27:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: PA BOOKENDS

I must say that for an Opus, this is an excellent on - an indirect Opus!


37 posted on 07/13/2012 1:27:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Before this scandal broke, I was only aware of Paterno as being just another college football coach. Had no idea of his record or tenure.

I don’t really follow college football that much, only NFL and during the season.

That said, after seeing the report, that what went on at Penn State for 14 years was atrocious. They knew what was going on and did their best to cover it up. Sandusky should have been in prison a long time ago. Paterno knew, they all knew. But for the sake of their damned holy football they allowed children to be raped and traumatized for the rest of their lives. That is despicable, arrogant behavior. The first child should have been the last.

Paterno’s statue should be torn down and sold for scrap. He will forever be shamed and despised by anyone who has any inkling of right and wrong. Whatever good he may have done during his time is all but wiped out by what he didn’t do..........


38 posted on 07/13/2012 1:27:22 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: prisoner6

Grove City is a good school. I went right up the road at Allegheny.


39 posted on 07/13/2012 1:27:39 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Red Badger

One of the most damning things about this, is the fact that the story broke wide open only AFTER Paterno got the record for most victories.

Now that mark should have a huge asterisk next to it, because Paterno should have been fired years ago. As far as I am concerned, Eddie Robinson is still the all-time winningest college football coach.


40 posted on 07/13/2012 1:30:03 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: PA BOOKENDS

The problem is that what JoePa allowed to happen in the end kind of retroactively destroys everything he did before. Any “honor and class” he had in the 70s must be looked at with eyes that say “but then he knowingly allowed a child molester free access to his facilities and helped cover it up”. How do we know there was any honor and class in the 70s? Given what we know he allowed and even assisted in the 00s who knows what was going on behind the scenes in the 70s. Once you find out what was behind the veneer you can’t unlearn it, you have to assume that corruption was always there.


41 posted on 07/13/2012 1:30:57 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

I haven’t knocked Joe Paterno for this obvious “cover-up”. I have been knocking him for years but it has nothing to do with the Sandusky issue.

I remember Joe Paterno crying real crocodile tears...bawling like a baby...real tears flowing down his face...in the late 70s...on national TV, saying, “Ah wanna be numba one.”

My unpublished response to that was, “Hey, Joe! You have to play football games against real football teams! Having the local children’s orphanage and the nun’s convent on your schedule won’t EVER get you to numba one”!

THAT’s why I don’t and have never liked him. :-)


42 posted on 07/13/2012 1:33:34 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

I suspect now former Penn State players are going to start coming out of the woodwork and telling us that JoePa wasn’t the man everybody thought he was....I suspect there was a “code of silence” among former players, that is now lifted.


43 posted on 07/13/2012 1:37:16 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: AAABEST
Were you in a vulcan?

I've developed thread hijacking to a very high level.

I was in a composite Towed Vulcan/Chaparral battalion in Germany. Our mission was air base defense. During my 4 year tour, I was a platoon leader for both systems, followed by maintenance officer, Assistant S-3, and finished up as the S-4.

I loved almost every minute, save for my 6 months as maintenance officer.

The advantage Chaparral had over the Vulcans was the location of Annual Service Practice: Crete vs. Todendorf. Northern Germany is unbelievably frigid during February, although summer ASP was ok.

44 posted on 07/13/2012 1:37:34 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

There were a whole series of loathsome acts at Penn State.
The university deserves the coming suspension and lawsuits...


45 posted on 07/13/2012 1:37:53 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The NCAA needs to come out immediately and offer any current Penn State players to transfer to other Division I schools without having to sit out a year.


46 posted on 07/13/2012 1:39:00 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Responsibility2nd

47 posted on 07/13/2012 1:40:12 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: PA BOOKENDS

Joe Pa’s character was revealed to all because of his orchestration of the Sandusky cover-up. Don’t say he didn’t make the decision; everyone knew that Paterno ran Penn State and that crossing him would end anyone’s job at the school.

I never cared for him, especially when Alabama was screwed over twice in three years in football games by refs beholden to Paterno.

He cared more about his public image than a bunch of boys being sexually brutalized. NOTHING can offset that even in the slightest degree.

Jim Boeheim, of Syracuse, is no better than Paterno because he had to know Bernie Fine was molesting boys, too. Even worse is that people at ESPN knew what was going on in the Syracuse basketball program and did nothing because so many of them are graduates from the ‘Cuse and wanted to protect their school.


48 posted on 07/13/2012 1:41:13 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: dfwgator

they seem to be pooh-poohing the report so far, supporting their cult of personality, joe tse tung


49 posted on 07/13/2012 1:42:04 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: PA BOOKENDS

This whole affair is an affirmation of the whole concept of “original sin”. Man is inherently evil - all of us - and except for the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, none can be saved.

But God, through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, forgives us of our sins.

And if God can forgive Joe Paterno, and Jerry Sandusky as well, if they choose (or chose) to accept His grace, it is not my place to offer any further judgement.

What they did was sinful, God will either forgive or demand payment, it is not for me to decide.

The justice system will mete out justice for those involved while they are here on earth. Again, unless I am asked to be a party to the trials, it is not for me to decide.

I believe that God will extend his arms to all involved in this sordid affair. He can, in fact, make all things whole and right, and bring healing where required as well as forgiveness. I pray that all those involved can find the help and healing that they need.


50 posted on 07/13/2012 1:44:31 PM PDT by fteuph
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