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Crazy Ed: "There's no excuse for any American to have a semi-automatic weapon"
Fox News Channel (no link) | 7/22/12 | Rendell

Posted on 07/22/2012 2:28:13 PM PDT by pabianice

Ed Rendell on Fox remarking on the Colorado shooting. The gunman had an "automatic assault weapon that fired a hundred rounds without reloading" and "he only stopped using it when it jammed" and "it was only the cowardice of Congress that allows these assault weapons to be available to the public."

Crazy Ed: just ranting the vote-losing idiocy that Liberals won't say for themselves before an election.


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To: pabianice
"There's no excuse for any American to have a semi-automatic weapon"

Perhaps the government should lead by example.

51 posted on 07/22/2012 3:25:29 PM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: pabianice

The gangs and bikers(democrats) will always have automatic assault weapon outlawed or not..


52 posted on 07/22/2012 3:26:18 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: CaptainK
I know that’s a rare occurrence, but when it hits close to home it’s not easy to put in the back of your mind.

FRiend, guns are nothing but a tool, not unlike a hammer, screwdriver or a knife.

All can be deadly weapons in the wrong hands but once you learn how to use them they become very useful.

I can understand your reticence, and I am sorry for your loss, but your Aunt could have used any one of the tools I mentioned to accomplish the same thing.

The best way to understand a tool is to be trained in it's use, you gain confidence and peace of mind knowing you can use it properly.

It is up to you, you don't have to exercise the right, but some day you might be glad you did.

53 posted on 07/22/2012 3:29:19 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Vendome

There’s no reason for DHS to have 450,000,000 rounds of .40 cal ammunition, is there? /s


54 posted on 07/22/2012 3:29:29 PM PDT by GunsAndBibles (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: pabianice

Yes there are reasons for citizens to own semi-auto firearms. One of the major reasons to to protect us from imbeciles like Crazy Ed and his ilk should they come into power ... kinda like now


55 posted on 07/22/2012 3:47:17 PM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June28 2012)
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To: philman_36

I use Winchester AA light trap loads for the house gun, 7 1/2-8 shot. At across-the-living-room ranges, it’s wicked bout excessive penetration is not a problem. (I live in an apartment building)


56 posted on 07/22/2012 3:48:27 PM PDT by JayVee (Joseph)
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To: philman_36
00 buck gets my vote.

Thanks, I try to read about this issues and as you can imagine there are numerous opinions.

I guess I'll have to go out and do my own testing on the matter.

Seems to me, either load would be devastating at close range though.

I've seen some advocate heavy bird shot for indoor defense, lots of opinions out there.

57 posted on 07/22/2012 3:52:33 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
“What is better for home defense?

#4 or 00 buck?

I don't have through the wall concerns so which is better for total stooping power? “

Its a toss up at ranges inside a home. I have fired both and they are both devastating. #00 = 9 .32cal balls. #4 = 28 pellets. They also are loud. Your ears would ring for hours but your target would be destroyed.

58 posted on 07/22/2012 3:53:48 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
You could also modify bird shot to a “cut” shell or a “wax” shell (homemade Glaser)
59 posted on 07/22/2012 3:58:34 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: philman_36
BTW, I didn’t mean to sound dismissive of your opinion, I've read many of your posts and would never discount what you have to say ;)
60 posted on 07/22/2012 4:04:45 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: pabianice

I offer no excuses. I have “several”.


61 posted on 07/22/2012 4:05:36 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Polynikes
They also are loud. Your ears would ring for hours but your target would be destroyed.

Thanks...that would be a great excuse to give to the cops after they show up.....I can't hear you....I want a lawyer please.

62 posted on 07/22/2012 4:08:20 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: pabianice

What Sgt. Shultz and Co. really want is take away the right to own ANY gun, not just semi-autos.

The phony ‘outrage’ over ownership of high-powered guns is a ploy to focus attention away from what these idiots really desire - a total ban on all privately-owned firearms.


63 posted on 07/22/2012 4:09:36 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Worst. President. Ever.)
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To: pabianice

Liberals like Ed are my reason for having semi-automatic rifles. They want to disarm this country for a reason and it has nothing to do with Aurora or Columbine or Virginia Tech.


64 posted on 07/22/2012 4:12:48 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: Polynikes

Not supposed to load more than one of those type shells at a time. On the other hand, I reload 12 and 20 and have devised an effective #2 buckshot or slug round that is 2” long and works in both pumps and semis, allow the typical Mossberg pump to hold an extra shell in the mag.


65 posted on 07/22/2012 4:13:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Polynikes; Las Vegas Ron

I’d be hesitant to use a “homemade” round for home defense. Even using conventional reloads is District Attorney bait in the event that you actually have to defend yourself. 00 or #4 are both good bets. Federal markets a reduced recoil 00 buck load in their “Ranger” lineup that is a great option for home defense. Bird shot is a bad choice-penetration is very low. It produces grotesque but shallow wounds that don’t readily incapacitate the target.


66 posted on 07/22/2012 4:14:36 PM PDT by jboot
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To: Las Vegas Ron; JayVee
Tell Ron, not me.

I use Winchester AA light trap loads for the house gun, 7 1/2-8 shot. At across-the-living-room ranges, it’s wicked bout excessive penetration is not a problem. (I live in an apartment building)

Ron said he wasn't worried about wall penetration.

Seems to me, either load would be devastating at close range though.
Ultimately, that's all that matters.
One other thought to consider...though how many home invaders have it...body armor. If there's no penetration which one gives more "oomph" on impact.
Several telephone books taped about the body make cheap yet effective body armor. Tape some around a log or to a plank of wood when you go scatter gun testing to see the difference.

67 posted on 07/22/2012 4:21:25 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jboot; Polynikes
Federal markets a reduced recoil 00 buck load in their “Ranger” lineup that is a great option for home defense.

I have a few boxes of that but have never tried it...funny they label it as "Power Shok"

I don't care who you are, 12ga's hurt to fire.

68 posted on 07/22/2012 4:27:06 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; JayVee
The following is not the way to do it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV439BStfb4
Nor is this...it's a slug!

Tape the book to a board (as if it were taped around the body or made into a taped up vest) and then shoot it with shot.

Of course a slug will go through it and skeet shooting is stupid.

69 posted on 07/22/2012 4:30:51 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
BTW, I didn’t mean to sound dismissive of your opinion...
I didn't take it that you were being dismissive.
Let me know how your phone book test comes out if you decide to do it.
It gives good empirical evidence.
70 posted on 07/22/2012 4:38:19 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ouderkirk
Second amendment protections were put into place so that citizens could shoot agents of an oppressive government...not deer.

Right!!!! And if America is not careful, it will happen.

71 posted on 07/22/2012 4:38:51 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: jwalsh07

“Well, if I needed an excuse I can think of three right off the top of my head. James Holmes types, gangsta thugs and jihadists come to mind.”

Yes. If there had been just one armed patriot in the audience, the death count would be much less now. I understand there was a “no firearms” sign outside the theater. Great. A snapshot of America if guns were to be banned. The good guys won’t have ‘em, and the evildoers will ignore the law and overpower the good guys.


72 posted on 07/22/2012 4:47:07 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I’d recommend 7 1/2s or 9s - skeet shot. Spreads fast. tears the living h_ll out of anything up to 20 yards but will not penetrate walls to kill neighbors. Shotguns are the best house defense weapon made.


73 posted on 07/22/2012 4:47:37 PM PDT by Chainmail (Warfare is too serious to be left to the amateurs)
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To: GunsAndBibles

Don’t know. They barely have more than me. /s


74 posted on 07/22/2012 4:47:49 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: philman_36

Here’s a good one I found while looking at your posted links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNILUy7mMKE&feature=related


75 posted on 07/22/2012 4:49:45 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I don't care who you are, 12ga's hurt to fire.

Yep! For home, this is my choice...

20 gauge and #4 buckshot.
Still shoots 00 buck, easier on the body to shoot and shorter than a full butt stock for handling in close quarters.
No Man's Land 20 gauge #4 buckshot impacting 20% ballistic gelatin HIGH RESOLUTION

Another thing is varying rounds.
5 shots (without one in chamber)...bird shot, bird shot, buckshot, buckshot, slug.
You can vary the loading pattern as you choose and fire as the threat applies.

Just some other things to consider.

76 posted on 07/22/2012 4:56:43 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Good empirical evidence, even with a slug.
See how the multiple layers was effective at stopping the slug.
And the phone book at the end was thin.
You ever seen how thick a Houston phone book is?
77 posted on 07/22/2012 5:04:36 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: theBuckwheat
. . . only a few would have been denied . . .

Can you name the 'few' that would have been denied?

78 posted on 07/22/2012 5:05:40 PM PDT by Misterioso (They tried to get me to hate white people, but someone would always come along and spoil it. - Monk)
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To: philman_36
You can vary the loading pattern as you choose and fire as the threat applies.

I dunno, I prefer kill rounds and as many as I can load and have available.

I used to have a Mossy and a Stoeger P-350, both with 18" barrels before I lost them in that tragic Lake Mead boating incident.

Before that, I was thinking about a pistol grip for at least one of them.

79 posted on 07/22/2012 5:08:20 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: philman_36
You ever seen how thick a Houston phone book is?

Okay, where's the "that's racist kid"

LOL!!

80 posted on 07/22/2012 5:13:08 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I dunno, I prefer kill rounds and as many as I can load and have available.
Then forget about shot. Slugs are the surest way to get that. Not much stands up to slugs.
Again, JMO.
81 posted on 07/22/2012 5:15:16 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Okay, where's the "that's racist kid"
1600 Penn. Ave, DC
82 posted on 07/22/2012 5:17:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Then forget about shot. Slugs are the surest way to get that. Not much stands up to slugs.

I hear that, but in a dark house while maybe still shaking off some sleepiness, would a little spread be a good thing?

A slug requires a definitive hit....but otoh, any hit would be quite debilitating and shocking to the perp.

A lot to consider for a unique situation, I hope and pray neither you or I have to face it.

I guess the best plan is a general one, loads that take all into account and address them in the best, most effective way in a general scenario.

83 posted on 07/22/2012 5:24:09 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: philman_36
1600 Penn. Ave, DC

LOL!!!

Gotta run FRiend, take care....still loling....

84 posted on 07/22/2012 5:26:18 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: pabianice

Then Ed should step up and disarm his security detail.

Then I’ll listen to him talk about cowardice.


85 posted on 07/22/2012 5:29:09 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I hear that, but in a dark house while maybe still shaking off some sleepiness, would a little spread be a good thing?
That's why I suggested a variety of rounds with increasing lethality. I wouldn't even bother with bird shot. Buckshot (2-3) and slugs (remainder).

A lot to consider for a unique situation, I hope and pray neither you or I have to face it.
Yes, it is and nor do I.

I guess the best plan is a general one, loads that take all into account and address them in the best, most effective way in a general scenario.
Being mentally prepared is a big step. Even though you don't want to have to think about it you must.

86 posted on 07/22/2012 5:36:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: trapped_in_LA
Actually there is no reason for cops to have anything more than a revolver and a pump action shotgun. Anything more than that is just encouraging them to act in an irresponsible way which we have no end of examples thanks to the internet.

Well, I always believed that if there is such a law, then no one should be allowed, that includes police and military too. We might have to reissue the old M1903's and Krag rifles.
87 posted on 07/22/2012 5:38:04 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Gotta run FRiend, take care
You too, FRiend.

....still loling....
/lounge lizard {;^)

88 posted on 07/22/2012 5:42:11 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

There is an excuse for an American having a semi-automatic weapon. I want one to protect myself, my family, and anyone else who may need my help in protecting them. And, it’s my right to have one. That’s all the excuse one needs.


89 posted on 07/22/2012 5:48:38 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: philman_36

Looks a lot like a Mossberg 500 a very good friend of mine has, 12 ga, 20 inch barrel, but with a sling that comes across the belly and around the elbow of the triggering arm to help control and absorb the recoil. Works well with 00 buck and slugs. His preference is to alternate the two. I have fired it numerous times. A perp coming through the front door doesn’t have a chance.

Eighteen years ago I spent a weekend dove hunting with a borrowed 12 ga. I had a very painful shoulder after that weekend. But we went through several boxes of shells. It was definitely an over-dose of 12 ga. Mind you that was my first experience hunting, and before that I had never fired a 12 ga.


90 posted on 07/22/2012 5:54:40 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: pabianice

Well, Crazy Eddie, I have a couple. Are you crazy enough to come take them.......PERSONALLY??
Thank God you’re no longer the governor of my state. You likely never read the PA state constitution which reads that the right of the people to be armed ‘’shall not be questioned’’.
Of course, ‘’Eddie’’, you’re just another fat, bloated, egotistical politician with soft hands and an expanded view of your own self worth.
‘’Crazy Eddie’’, just STFU and enjoy your cushy retirement on my tax dollars. The less heard from your sorry a$$, the better.


91 posted on 07/22/2012 5:56:40 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: pabianice

Well, Crazy Eddie, I have a couple. Are you crazy enough to come take them.......PERSONALLY??
Thank God you’re no longer the governor of my state. You likely never read the PA state constitution which reads that the right of the people to be armed ‘’shall not be questioned’’.
Of course, ‘’Eddie’’, you’re just another fat, bloated, egotistical politician with soft hands and an expanded view of your own self worth.
‘’Crazy Eddie’’, just STFU and enjoy your cushy retirement on my tax dollars. The less heard from your sorry a$$, the better.


92 posted on 07/22/2012 5:56:59 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: jboot

12 Ga Federal Law Enforcement Low Recoil Tactical 00 Buck & Federal Law Enforcement Low Recoil Tactical Slugs are both available and great home defense rounds. These can be had either in Low Recoil or Standard Recoil, but the kick is somewhat more with the Standard shells. The local Sheriff’s Dept has gone to these Low Recoil shells. The punch is still there for home defense or for most law enforcement needs. Muzzle velocity is a couple hundred fps less with the low recoil rounds.


93 posted on 07/22/2012 6:16:19 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

“I hear that, but in a dark house while maybe still shaking off some sleepiness, would a little spread be a good thing?”

Put a light on that shotgun, and maybe a laser. Important you see the target, both for acquisition and for identification (might not be a bad guy). Alternate the slug with 00 and you will get the job done. The laser is an especially good idea for a pistol grip.

And btw, I believe your home defense semi-auto hand gun should have both light and laser. Many already have the mounting rail under the barrel, in front of the trigger.

In low light situations, with either the shotgun or the hand gun, it is essential that you be able to identifiy the target BEFORE you pull the trigger.


94 posted on 07/22/2012 6:29:05 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Mind you that was my first experience hunting, and before that I had never fired a 12 ga.
Did anyone even bother to show you the proper stance or tell you what to expect as far as recoil?
95 posted on 07/22/2012 6:29:05 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: evangmlw
There is an excuse for an American having a semi-automatic weapon.

Look at your choice of words. You've stepped into the gun control activist's trap without even realizing it.

There is a reason for an American having a semi-automatic weapon.

Your usage of his words gives his argument more merit.
Not ragging, just observing.

96 posted on 07/22/2012 6:34:44 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“Did anyone even bother to show you the proper stance or tell you what to expect as far as recoil?”

Yes, I was hunting with the friend who loaned me the shotgun. He went through it all with me. He was well experienced. I was okay after the first day. The second day did my shoulder in...


97 posted on 07/22/2012 6:34:56 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea; Las Vegas Ron
Always leave some lights on. Low watt hall lights, a small lamp in living spaces, kitchen sink or stove lights...whatever.
You have the added advantage that simply having some lights on in the house which are visible from the outside, even with shutters, shades or blinds, may deter a break in.
98 posted on 07/22/2012 6:44:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
The second day did my shoulder in...
A shock absorber would have been nice back then.

You just have to love technology...

Blackhawk Knoxx SpecOps Adjustable Shotgun Stock with built-in shock absorber for Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590

You can find one like it now for almost any model and from a variety of manufacturers.

99 posted on 07/22/2012 6:55:29 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Or you can be a low tech red neck and get some really good glue/epoxy and glue a gel mouse pad on the butt stock to make your own shock absorber.
100 posted on 07/22/2012 7:08:26 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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