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Do you feel sorry for the poor?

Posted on 07/24/2012 5:38:52 PM PDT by sagar

Am I the only one who feels utter and total contempt for the so called poor? This is the most free, by far, any country in the history of the world, and yet we have these scum-sucking parasites that have not taken advantage of it, instead they cannot take care of themselves, their children, nor their elderly.

When I see a poor person, I am filled with disgust. How can this individual(or group of individuals) live like this and not feel that they have the opportunity just in front of them that the rest of the world would kill for?

My contempt level is pretty high for the poor parasites, but it reaches epic proportions for those that are poor and obese! How can they even live like it? Do they have no dignity? No shame?

America is wasted on them. In fact, America is now dying under their weight.

Sorry for the rant.


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To: sagar

Congratulations. You’ve just invited Karma into your home and your life. Good luck


51 posted on 07/24/2012 6:15:36 PM PDT by ebersole
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To: sagar
I think I know what you're saying and I have some empathy with what you say. Generalizations imply exceptions; not all the poor are scum suckers.

Anecdote, and we all have one: we have a nice market here and I went there the other day towards the end of the pay period to buy a bag of frozen onion rings and a bag of tenderloins to deep fry. My internal debate on that trip was whether or not to splurge on nice buns or opt for the regular. I wagered out the rest of the week's expenses and got the high-end with the sesame seeds. At the checkout, you guess it, was one of the scum-sucking poor with a cart, yes, a cart, of fresh-wrapped butcher packages with who knows how many steaks and loins and this and that. She whips out her LINK card, pays, and walks to a newer model car than mine.

Like I said, I empathize but I'll trim my brush to paint smaller lines.
52 posted on 07/24/2012 6:15:43 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I think you may have misunderstood my post. I called for the clean up isle 6 times 3 because I felt that the poster may have been cut from the same cloth as the devil and wear the mark. He or she sounds like it anyway.

I am not rich in material either, but I am rich, very rich, because Jesus loves me.


53 posted on 07/24/2012 6:17:31 PM PDT by Chong
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To: sagar
Actually, I do feel sorry for the poor. But I feel much more sorry for you. The poor are only poor in material things, but you seem to be bereft of any compassion and humility. You poor man, I will say a prayer tonight for you.
54 posted on 07/24/2012 6:20:45 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: sagar

You seem to be blessed to have so many poor around you; for through those you are tested and hopefully found worthy one day.


55 posted on 07/24/2012 6:21:12 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Chong
Sorry if I misunderstood your post (I make mistakes regularly).

I was just afraid that the OP might be in delicate place and might soon be lost forever.

Hear me OP...get with the program!

56 posted on 07/24/2012 6:22:19 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: sagar

Blame LBJ’s “Great Society”. When the guvmint made it more profitable for poor women to kick out kid after kid and have the taxpayers pay for them instead of the fathers, it was the beginning of the welfare state we know now.


57 posted on 07/24/2012 6:23:14 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: sagar
It depends on the poor. There's one class of poor, like the Vietnamese boat people when they first arrived. These are good people who are just temporarily lacking in funds due to misfortune, but who will fix that and become middle-class in a few years.

Then there's the underclass, the class of people who are content to live off charity and crime, have no interest in bettering themselves, or doing anything that look like work. They can starve for all I care, and the world would be better off.

58 posted on 07/24/2012 6:23:34 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: MrEdd

Totally agreed - many, if not most people reading this are one or two pieces of bad luck (including totally unpredictable and unpreventable medical conditions) from being “poor”.


59 posted on 07/24/2012 6:25:03 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: sagar

I was taught not to feel sorry for myself so no.


60 posted on 07/24/2012 6:26:25 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Damned if I do, Damned if I don't. Damn it, I will!)
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To: sagar

DO you think I like being poor? Listen you dip *hit, I busted my butt for many years, got hurt on a military deployment, now live on a pittance of retirement (less than 24k/yr of which I pay little less than 5k for medical insurance). Funny though, once a white man is over the age of 50, no one will hire. I do not take handouts from the government, yes I do qualify but I flat out refuse.
Oh...BTW...not all of us poor people are fat.KMA


61 posted on 07/24/2012 6:27:09 PM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: dfwgator
I assume you haven't been on any of the Indian Reservations lately.
That is poor. That is poor caused by the Federal Government. Every time I go on a res. I want to go to Washington and strangle the 545 people that are responsible for this.
That is poor.
62 posted on 07/24/2012 6:27:23 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: dfwgator
Haitians are poor, we have no poor in this country.

That is the money quote.

We have great misery in this country.

However, anyone who can look at the general conditions in even the proud rural poor of the Dominican Republic, and then look at the family of four in this country receiving food stamps and housing assistance, and can then tell me that we have poverty in this country - that person is a person with a serious personal integrity problem.

63 posted on 07/24/2012 6:27:31 PM PDT by Castlebar
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To: The Antiyuppie

“Poor” in this country means welfare checks, food stamps, Section 8 housing vouchers. Give me a break. The “poor” in this country are driving around in leased BMWs and have a few color TVs in their house. Thanks to the great welfare state started by LBJ.


64 posted on 07/24/2012 6:27:52 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: sagar

If we were at full employment and jobs were plentiful, you’re attitude would still be wrong but at least understandable.

But we are at almost 25% unemployment. You really think 1 in 4 people want to mooch off the system instead of have a decent job? Right now there aren’t jobs and so your attitude is completely contemptable.

What you really need to do is go to an onliine bible site, like blueletterbible.com and do a word search on “poor and needy” and just “poor”. Contrast God’s attitude towards the poor with your own, and you will begin to understand just how far off base you really are.


65 posted on 07/24/2012 6:28:17 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: sagar

You all should note that sagar said the “so called” poor. I agree with him/her that the poorest Americans are richer than most of the rest of the world.

I believe he is meaning the ones taking advantage of the system and therefore bringing the rest of us (who used to be middle class) down to their level. that ticks me off.

I do not hold anything against anyone who is truly unable to work, but unfortunately, there seem to be more people who are unwilling to work rather than unable to these days.


66 posted on 07/24/2012 6:30:07 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RoosterRedux
Until we are united with Him...we are poor indeed. ,P>FRiend, I agree with you in that context.

My point is that you can't equate the poor of Christ's time with the poor that live in a "free" society.

We've become a Nation of belittling successful people as being "the rulers and Kings"< that's not right.

Yes there are some who for whatever reason are debilitated and deserve our Christian support, it's just that it has gotten way out of hand.

For example, how is poverty defined in this Country?

Read this: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/09/understanding-poverty-in-the-united-states-surprising-facts-about-americas-poor

Believe me, I think Christians and other humble Americans have an obligation to those who are truly in need, I do not believe it is the roll of the Government to do it.

I want to also thank you for your generous reply, yours is how FR should be.

67 posted on 07/24/2012 6:30:21 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: sagar

Deut. 15:11: There will always be some in the land who are poor. That is why I am commanding you to share freely with the poor and with other Israelites in need. (NLT)

God doesn’t seem to have different rules for “the poor” and “the needy”, and “I am commanding you to share freely” doesn’t have a lot of wiggle room in it. God knows the difference - I’ll do my part and let Him sort ‘em out.


68 posted on 07/24/2012 6:33:00 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: sagar

Well, I was going to say something, but FReeepers pretty much have things covered.

God cares about the poor. Get a concordance and look up the references to the word “poor”. It’s a sobering experience. Or read the book of Amos in the Old Testament.

That’s not to excuse laziness or other bad character traits, but, as someone mentioned, being overly critical of the poor is definitely painting with way too broad of a brush.

By the way, very proud of most FReepers right now.


69 posted on 07/24/2012 6:33:05 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Mitt Romney is a handbasket driver. I refuse to ride.)
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To: sagar

Our socialized society has created a new class of poor.

The middle class, who do not qualify for any programs, but have substantially less expendable income than the ‘poor’.

In order to start a business in most professions, the regulatory costs nearly mandate a $250k income in order to clear about a $75k income, if one is lucky, and with substantial risk of greater liability.

Meanwhile, the poor who give up on ownership can live twice as well with less risk than the middle class.

The poor might reorient their relationships to more favorably receive program benefits, and I don’t envy their predicament, ....but I see so very many poor, with new homes, new cars, part time jobs, and spare time, while I observe the middle class driving 20 year old economy cars/trucks, working overtime, paying for insurance and still in debt with medical and older homes not presently in compliance with modern codes.

I don’t see any middle class going to midnight movies, but I do see lots of ‘poor’ class partying from sundown to sunup, sleeping till noon, with middle class not partying, waking before dawn and turning in after they get home from work.


70 posted on 07/24/2012 6:34:30 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: sagar

“If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered.”

-Proverbs 21:13

There are other verses in Proverbs and elsewhere in God’s Word that say essentially the same thing, in various ways.

So: yes, of course, with God’s Word as my instruction and Jesus as my example, I have sympathy and empathy for those who are truly poor.

~having said that~

There are many definitions of poverty, and just because the government *defines* someone as “poor” doesn’t mean I have to agree with their definition, or think it wise to give them handouts.

I suspect that’s what you’re getting at.


71 posted on 07/24/2012 6:35:11 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Love the cult, respect the leader, but I simply can't drink the koolaid and die.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

I want government out of the way, not only for my own sake but for the sake of the poor.

Right off the top, its a lot easier to be charitable when government leaves a little something to give. I saw what happened when John Engler became governor here in Michigan. The economy improved and a lot of “welfare bums” did choose work and a lot of them are conservatives today.


72 posted on 07/24/2012 6:38:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Thx much (in Him of course!)...


73 posted on 07/24/2012 6:41:58 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: sagar
You're just an arrogant ass.

There are people on this forum who sacrificed, who worked hard, some are vets, some near retirement, some neither of these.

They are poor now. They weren't always, some had their own businesses, but with this economy it's hard to bounce back if you have certain strikes against you like age, destroyed credit, health setbacks or the self-sustaining anchor of on-going joblessness.

Still others in this nation have not been taught how to build or cultivate opportunities. They didn't have mentors, they weren't exposed to entrepreneurial spirit.

Despite the American mythology, it isn't something anyone can do just because they're in America.

Since you have it all figured out, you tell us what to do or just SHUT UP.

74 posted on 07/24/2012 6:42:44 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Pontius Pilate 'voters' are arrogant, delusional, lilly-livered collaborators.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Back attcha FRiend.


75 posted on 07/24/2012 6:45:04 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: sagar
Hello,

When I was about 7 or 8 years old I asked my father if we we poor. You see, I had reached the age that I realized how we lived vs how most others did. Here is exactly what my beloved father told me. I have never forgotten:

“I have been broke many times in my life, but I have never been poor. Being poor is a condition of the spirit, of the soul and has nothing to do with how much money you have or do not have”.

I'll be 47 on Friday and his words still work for me...

MOgirl

76 posted on 07/24/2012 6:45:04 PM PDT by MOgirl (STAND)
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To: Fully Awake DAV

I hear you, DAV. I hear you.


77 posted on 07/24/2012 6:45:34 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: sagar

Yes in the sense that they are deprived of the sense of free will and freedom and become servants early on.

no in the sense that they become leeches and parasites on TJE taxpayer.


78 posted on 07/24/2012 6:47:18 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: MOgirl

Personally I think there are great advantages in growing up poor. I’ve found that I don’t really want for much and going without isn’t as stressful for me as it is for a lot of people.

Poor folks are often the ultimate preppers.


79 posted on 07/24/2012 6:51:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: sagar

“Am I the only one who feels utter and total contempt for the so called poor? This is the most free, by far, any country in the history of the world, and yet we have these scum-sucking parasites that have not taken advantage of it, instead they cannot take care of themselves, their children, nor their elderly.
When I see a poor person, I am filled with disgust. How can this individual(or group of individuals) live like this and not feel that they have the opportunity just in front of them that the rest of the world would kill for?”

Well, sir, welcome to the Ebeneezer club.

But — it might be worth your while to hone a sharp instinct so that you may distinguish between the “deserving poor”, and those “undeserving”.

There is a clear distinction to be drawn between those who warrant contempt for situations of their own making, and others who have, through no fault of their own, fallen on hard times.

There, but for fortune...


80 posted on 07/24/2012 6:52:28 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: newzjunkey; sagar

Good post, newzjunkey; I agree with you.

I am pretty sure that this character sagar is ON something or OUT of something that he/she SHOULD be taking as we speak; blue pill, red pill, whatever. (No, I don’t mean to make light of any mental disease and if I have offended anyone by it, I apologize in advance.)

PS: I emigrated to this ONCE great country of ours from where I was born, but have yet to find the streets paved of gold. Where are they? Please share? Yes, sagar, it IS sarcasm.


81 posted on 07/24/2012 6:54:30 PM PDT by Chong
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To: Paradox

What you said.


82 posted on 07/24/2012 6:55:01 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: sagar

You need to be poor once. That’ll fix you up.


83 posted on 07/24/2012 6:56:02 PM PDT by donna ("...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way..." -Mitt Romney)
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To: sagar

I feel sorry for everybody including m’self, does that count.

But I feel real, real sorry for the authors of stupid vanities consisting of undeveloped thoughts.


84 posted on 07/24/2012 6:58:43 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: RoosterRedux

You are so right about poverty building character. My mother taught me the values of hard work, sacrifice, humility and honor. She also taught me that, just because a home is humble, doesn’t mean that it can’t be clean. To take joy in the little things. To value G-d and people over things. To always give your best, whatever that is, to a guest. And on and on...

Now she is accepting Social Security. She is physically broken, but she does what she can.

She did write a letter to the state gov’t telling them to please stop sending her food stamps. She told them that she had more than she needed with SS and that they should give it to someone with children.

My mother has always been ‘poor’, but she doesn’t have a bitter, cruel, angry bone in her body. She’s much richer than the OP.

I’m proud to be raised by my poor mother and I regret nothing of my childhood. Our circumstances made me a better human being and I shared those values with my two children.


85 posted on 07/24/2012 6:58:43 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: sagar

Being poor does not necessarily equate with being a freeloading parasite. There are many reasons for being poor, and believe it or not many people prefer being poor to running in the modern rat race, and they do not mooch off the system. Now the fat assed, cheeto munching, dregs of society that do nothing but work the welfare system, I share your contempt for.


86 posted on 07/24/2012 6:58:43 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: donna; sagar

donna,

sagar is already poor.


87 posted on 07/24/2012 6:58:45 PM PDT by Chong
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To: sagar
I've been financially comfortable, and I've been utterly destitute.

But I have never, at any time, been as “poor” as you appear to be, sagar.

When the SHTF, we now all know we can count on you to be utterly useless, and a burden to everyone.

Please respond to any posted reply on your lame, trolling thread.

88 posted on 07/24/2012 7:03:18 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: sagar
sounds like this guy... i hate them because they are poor
89 posted on 07/24/2012 7:05:41 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: PapaBear3625

Well put!

I’ve been broke (and how!). That’s when experience occurs.

But I’ve never been poor.


90 posted on 07/24/2012 7:06:38 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: Marie
And I am now stronger because of your and your mother's character.

God bless...keep up the fight!

91 posted on 07/24/2012 7:07:05 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: sagar

For the bums on the street who are mentally ill or physically unable to work I would say, “yes” to feeling sorry for them.

Everyone else who is able-bodied but unwilling to work because they are lazy and lack a work ethic I would say, “no.”

But government rewards the lazy both poor and rich.

“Halleluyah I’m A Bum” (1928)
by Harry “Mac” McClintock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKbIkYGsIg


92 posted on 07/24/2012 7:11:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: sagar

Which poor? There are a lot of people who are poor in this country, sometimes through no fault of their own.

If you try to take care of a sick parent and the medical bills spiral out of control, you can end up losing your house and your job.

You could be a housewife with kids whose husband turned violent after being laid off and find yourself with no place to stay and no income.

On the other hand there are crackheads and bums. They can even be President of the US. These people can be jettisoned from the planet.


93 posted on 07/24/2012 7:13:12 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: sagar
I think if you would have clarified your remarks... you would not have faced so much derision here. I work with “the poor” on a daily basis. They are the ones who call for help from 911 by for the most frequently. I have been frequently accused by my coworkers of being overly compassionate. They believe that by being overly accommodating that I encourage “the poor” of calling for nonsensical problems. Yesterday I went on over a dozen calls... ten of them were from “the poor”.

The majority of “the poor” that I see are not stupid. They are however too lazy to bother even making an attempt to clean up squalor that they live in. They are too lazy to fix themselves and their children nutritional meals despite receiving ample funds from the government to do so. They are too lazy and impatient to make an appointment to see a health care provider when they are feeling poorly. Instead they call 911 and want an ambulance to take them on a ride that they will never pay for.

They will tell you that they don't have enough money to buy the medications they were prescribed despite admitting to smoking three packs a day and being a drug addict or alcoholic. They feel perfectly justified about stealing what they want from people who they feel are more fortunate than them. Some of them would kill you for the $40 they could sell your wedding ring for.

I could go on and on and on. I knew exactly who Sagar was talking about when I read the post. I treat "the poor" very compassionately while on the job, because I am not in the business of judging people; my business is helping people. But the people that expect my help the most frequently are completely irresponsible and expect everyone else to take care of them. When a responsible person is dying from a heart attack... there is a pretty good chance I will be busy tending to someone who is expecting us to arrange their second or third ambulance ride of that day so that they can get some more attention and free meds from the emergency room. When I suggest that maybe their housemate who has a car could take them all hell breaks loose because they “know their rights”.

To all the self-righteous who just went on the attack... when Sagar and I are thinking of “the poor” we are not thinking about the amount of money people are getting by on.

94 posted on 07/24/2012 7:14:14 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: sagar

What a disgusting person you are.

Stuff *does* come back to bite all of us. Are you SURE you want to even go there with this line of thinking??


95 posted on 07/24/2012 7:19:29 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Marie

Thank you!

It’s funny all that money I paid out of every check for many years, going into a 401k, max contributions. Then wake up one day to find the “market” had taken 90% of my 401k. That was my savings, now I have none. Had a great job, but my disabilities changed my employment, ruined my marriage and destroyed my family. One thing that sets me apart from many other poor folks, no booze, drugs, technology (smart phones/tablets etc.), smoking or living on the gov teet.


96 posted on 07/24/2012 7:20:35 PM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: RoosterRedux

“I’ve been rich and I’ve been poor. And when I was poor, my feet were more firmly planted on the ground...”

Back through the years
I go wonderin’ once again
Back to the seasons of my youth
I recall a box of rags that someone gave us
And how my momma put the rags to use

There were rags of many colors
Every piece was small
And I didn’t have a coat
And it was way down in the fall
Momma sewed the rags together
Sewin’ every piece with love
She made my coat of many colors
That I was so proud of

As she sewed, she told a story
From the bible, she had read
About a coat of many colors
Joseph wore and then she said
Perhaps this coat will bring you
Good luck and happiness
And I just couldn’t wait to wear it
And momma blessed it with a kiss

My coat of many colors
That my momma made for me
Made only from rags
But I wore it so proudly
Although we had no money
I was rich as I could be
In my coat of many colors
My momma made for me

So with patches on my britches
Holes in both my shoes
In my coat of many colors
I hurried off to school
Just to find the others laughing
And making fun of me
In my coat of many colors
My momma made for me

And oh I couldn’t understand it
For I felt I was rich
And I told them of the love
My momma sewed in every stitch
And I told ‘em all the story
Momma told me while she sewed
And how my coat of many colors
Was worth more than all their clothes

But they didn’t understand it
And I tried to make them see
That one is only poor
Only if they choose to be
Now I know we had no money
But I was rich as I could be
In my coat of many colors
My momma made for me
Made just for me...

“Coat Of Many Colors”
- Dolly Parton


97 posted on 07/24/2012 7:25:09 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: nascarnation

“It was interesting to see how nicely turned out the mothers were, professional hairdos, $300 glasses, $200 shoes, iPhones, etc. Would liked to have seen what the parking lot looked like....was it Buick, Lexus, Escalades?”

That’s pretty much my parish on feed the needy schedules on Tuesdays and Fridays...

Lexus, Infiniti etc, new Nike’s , Hollister, Fitch shirts..and these mofo’s are supposed to be in dire need???


98 posted on 07/24/2012 7:36:35 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: OldPossum

“May I offer A Modest Proposal?”

A great work, I read it in college. The last few sentences probably gave people in the early 1700’s heart attacks.

You have to read the annotated version to appreciate this essay; the sheer density of the sarcasm is breathtaking. Very few works in the English language have approached these levels. No wonder he went mad.


99 posted on 07/24/2012 7:39:05 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Cvengr

“I don’t see any middle class going to midnight movies, but I do see lots of ‘poor’ class partying from sundown to sunup, sleeping till noon, with middle class not partying, waking before dawn and turning in after they get home from work.”

You know, I saw a weird phenomenon a few weeks ago when I took a very rare day off; the traffic during the day was actually heavier than it was in rush hour. During the 1980 recession, I had a job where I drove a lot during the business day. The roads basically belonged to me from 9:30 to 4:00.

So, where did these people come from? And what were they doing?


100 posted on 07/24/2012 7:44:03 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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