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Grammar sticklers may have OCD
The Web of Language Blog ^ | Sun, 24 Jun 2012 | By Dennis Baron

Posted on 07/28/2012 8:48:38 PM PDT by garjog

t used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people’s grammar were just plain annoying. Now there’s evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS.

Maybe you’ve heard of the grammar gene—its technical name is the FOXP2 gene—which may be responsible for a variety of grammatical ills, such as the inability to construct compound/complex sentences or to effectively deploy the passive voice. Now there’s evidence that a variant of that gene, FOXP2.1, may actually cause us to obsessively correct other people’s grammar, or should that be, to correct their grammar obsessively? The discovery of this gene, alongside new evidence from fMRI scans of brains exposed to real-time grammatical errors, has led some scientists to predict that soon we may be able to find a cure for GPS, for many sufferers a debilitating, off-putting, sociopathic syndrome.

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Listening to Zappa play Apostrophe, I am reminded that the main component of our language is call and response.
It is the basic element in any language.
English is special because of all it’s nuances that allow us to convey philosophical data.
Math is a language that allows us to convey technical data.

Having said that, I believe most of us get the gist of a conversation even if the comma is misplaced.

When a decimal point is misplaced it is a huge error of exponential proportions but even then, most of us get the gist of it.


51 posted on 07/28/2012 10:14:19 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Revolting cat!
Feed me, Seymore!

-PJ

52 posted on 07/28/2012 10:14:42 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It doesn't come naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

> I’m shocked that some people don’t know the difference
> between ‘their’,’there’ and ‘they’re’.

And “thar” as is “Thar she blows!”


53 posted on 07/28/2012 10:17:53 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: relictele

Teachers cannot teach what they, themselves, have never learned. Our teens and young adults are part of a lost generation. They can text and tweet but cannot legibly write a paragraph punctuated correctly containing complete words which are spelled correctly.


54 posted on 07/28/2012 10:20:24 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Jyotishi

Thar is a fine word!


55 posted on 07/28/2012 10:25:15 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: garjog

My pet peeve is the expression “pet peeve”!


56 posted on 07/28/2012 10:27:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Jyotishi

BTW I don’t understand folks who object to “sangwich”

Its just an Italian American colloquialism.


57 posted on 07/28/2012 10:27:35 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: garjog

The book Punctuate it Right is always at my desk. As for correcting grammar,.the Brits have a solid case against us Yanks.


58 posted on 07/28/2012 10:30:15 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Yeah right!
Dem cockney rejects got it awwright! LOL


59 posted on 07/28/2012 10:34:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

> BTW I don’t understand folks who object to “sangwich”

What are you in for?

Convicts from nearly any racial and ethnic background are
now commonly found using this particular word.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?defid=907380&term=Sangwich


60 posted on 07/28/2012 10:34:30 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: garjog

It’s not OCD. It’s CDO.
Alphabetical.
As it should be.


61 posted on 07/28/2012 10:37:18 PM PDT by llevrok (2012 : Elect Adults)
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To: Nik Naym

I used to have a neighbor who had this bumper sticker on her car:

“Smile! It makes people wonder what your up too.”

Yes, it was spelled that way.


62 posted on 07/28/2012 10:38:19 PM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I think I have a manual on the Kings English.
Hold on a tick, I’ll just pop out and get it from the boot of me car.


63 posted on 07/28/2012 10:39:10 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: par4
But it beats having the company put out something that sound like it was written by a 6th grader....

My former employer had a pile of flyers made for a major medical trade show that had the large print heading:
"YOUR DIGITALS SOLUTION"

The disgruntled sales staff and I had a good laugh about it since we had all figured out what a crooked bunch of idiots we were working for and started looking for better jobs at better companies. Had we not already been thoroughly disgusted by this sort of incompetence that infected the company from the president down, we would have never let the flyers come out of the box.

64 posted on 07/28/2012 10:41:05 PM PDT by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Jyotishi
It's common with the old timers were I grew up.
They are good sangwiches too!


65 posted on 07/28/2012 10:42:05 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: cynwoody

I have no need for sexual function and haven’t for decades.


66 posted on 07/28/2012 10:42:59 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: ottbmare
Or we could just be conservative traditionalists who hate to see this rich, beautiful, powerful language and the culture it represents consistently degraded by the victims of the government school system.

I am a product of Catholic schools and have a reasonably decent command of the language - but it will invariably be my 14 year old daughter who will catch my occasional errors....and she is one of your so called "victims."

67 posted on 07/28/2012 10:45:00 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Jyotishi

I have never heard of this term being associated with prison.


68 posted on 07/28/2012 10:46:25 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Nik Naym
And let us not forget the constant annoying misuse of “effect” and “affect”.

Guilty as charged! I ALWAYS have a problem with those two words. It drives me crazy because I know I should not have such a problem.

69 posted on 07/28/2012 10:47:29 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: garjog
The people who attempt to correct ones grammar while misspelling it 'grammer' are the most amusing to me.

And no, I don't have OCD. Nor do I have OCD.. I really dont.

70 posted on 07/28/2012 10:52:06 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Proud to have been beat up and shot by the late Paul Gomez. RIP, 'Gnomez'.)
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To: mylife

Dang! What is that called? Where can I get one??????


71 posted on 07/28/2012 10:52:24 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1285 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Gabz
It drives me crazy because I know I should not have such a problem.

It seems you certainly are affected LoL

Just teasing!

72 posted on 07/28/2012 10:52:41 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: null and void

Oh that’s just a mortadella and provolone.


73 posted on 07/28/2012 10:54:09 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

The principal approves of this principle.


74 posted on 07/28/2012 10:55:06 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Proud to have been beat up and shot by the late Paul Gomez. RIP, 'Gnomez'.)
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To: null and void
Baloney sangwich ☺
75 posted on 07/28/2012 10:59:00 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Don’t toy with me when there is food involved.


76 posted on 07/28/2012 11:01:01 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1285 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Grams A
Our teens and young adults are part of a lost generation. They can text and tweet but cannot legibly write a paragraph punctuated correctly containing complete words which are spelled correctly.

You don't know the teenagers I know. It can be rather embarrassing when a 14yo corrects your spelling, grammar, or punctuation. It doesn't happen all that often - but enough for me to take special care if I am having an online conversation with any of them.

77 posted on 07/28/2012 11:07:53 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: null and void

Honestly, its just a baloney sangwich.
Not like the stuff they serve today.
Real mortadella and provolone on a toasted bread.

My Mother would send us all off with fried bologna and cheese sangwiches all the time.

Pop demanded it.

It was a lowly sangwich but good.
Though they are made with mustard, We learned early on that pizza sauce made it better,and that iS the way I like mine.

The Mortadella and provolone is a staple in Sao Paulo, Brazil.


78 posted on 07/28/2012 11:13:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

LOL!! Good one!


79 posted on 07/28/2012 11:14:43 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

That’s just what young adults do.

She is just stretching her wings and giving you a gentle jibe.


80 posted on 07/28/2012 11:16:21 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

It’s not just my own daughter - I’ve had some of her friends do it as well - they also do it to their own parents. It can be amusing when the “moms” are having a thread going and the kids start chiming in correcting our errors!


81 posted on 07/28/2012 11:21:20 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz
I wish I could find Sir John Guilgud's reading of this of this.

The Remarkable Rocket.

Wilde had a tremendous wit and mastery of language.

82 posted on 07/28/2012 11:24:06 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Gabz
I wish I could find Sir John Guilgud's reading of this.

The Remarkable Rocket.

Wilde had a tremendous wit and mastery of language.

83 posted on 07/28/2012 11:24:50 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: garjog

Cute article. :-)

Both my eldest son and I must be afflicted with the condition. I can’t wait to show him this article. ;-)


84 posted on 07/28/2012 11:48:05 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Gabz

I can relate. My 16-year-old son corrects me when I’m speaking. I used to proofread and write, but I didn’t walk around correcting people when they were speaking. These kids sure keep us on our toes, though, don’t they?


85 posted on 07/29/2012 12:07:52 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Gabz

Good for them and you. They obviously had some teachers of various types along the way who taught them well and they use this to their advantage.

I serve on the board of a small group which provides scholarships to up to ten college bound students per year. Their application must be submitted with a statement of at least one and one-half pages on why they should be chosen, what they intend to study, etc. Everything had to be handwritten. We received 63 applications this spring and accepted 8. Of those eight, only five had no spelling, punctuation or grammatical errors, were very legible and exhibited awesome written communication skills. IMO most of the remaining 55 will have to take some type of remedial classes in order to make it through their course work.

We began our program 7 years ago, received only 18 the first year and wish we had had enough money to help all of them. This is a very small sampling to be sure, but we have noticed a gradual deterioration in the quality of the output from the applicants.


86 posted on 07/29/2012 12:43:47 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: mylife
I think I have a manual on the Kings English. Hold on a tick, I’ll just pop out and get it from the boot of me car.

Was that the boot or the bonnet? And is the boot the trunk or the hood, I can never remember.

87 posted on 07/29/2012 12:45:39 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: mylife
Dem cockney rejects got it awwright! LOL

You know, now that I think about it, who are those Brits to be complaining just because we can't pronounce schedule and aluminum. It's not like the rest of the time that we talk as if we have gravel in our mouths - or are those teeth rattling around that cause that?

88 posted on 07/29/2012 12:50:20 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: par4
Insure and ensure are the twins to effect and affect.

Insure only refers to the word insurance, such that you could buy. It's the difference between assure and ensure that I find difficult to teach.

89 posted on 07/29/2012 1:07:50 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Fiji Hill
I refuse to use words such as “prequel”

We should do lunch sometime. Where do you office?

(How do you like those two sentences?)

90 posted on 07/29/2012 1:46:28 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: garjog
t used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people’s grammar

Need I point out the obvious concerning the beginning of your post?

91 posted on 07/29/2012 1:48:25 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I have CDO. It’s like OCD except the letters are in the correct order.

LOL. Yes, we must put everything in the right order, mustn't we?

92 posted on 07/29/2012 1:51:36 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: goseminoles

Is it a disability? Can we get a check and free stuff for GPS?


93 posted on 07/29/2012 2:23:15 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Revolting cat!

Proactive over anticipatory would not work in certain contract law situations. “Anticipatory breach” is a well understood shorthand for a significant body of legal ideas and precedents, but if you said “proactive breach,” no legal practitioner would be sure what you were talking about.


94 posted on 07/29/2012 2:35:25 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: righttackle44
I’ve read criticism by people here at FR complaining about Black people who use Ebonics—FReepers who can barely write a clear, concise English sentence as they write their criticisms—I think the former are the Homer Simpsons of America.

I'm afraid this is a run-on sentence.

95 posted on 07/29/2012 2:48:21 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: garjog
Remember, son, a comma can mean the difference between life or death!

There, fixed it!

Regards,

96 posted on 07/29/2012 3:02:40 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Nik Naym
I am personally guilty of overuse of commas. I’m an awful writer but I at least try to use the correct words.

Urine trouble now , you caught me.

97 posted on 07/29/2012 3:07:20 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

...or then and than. Drives me nuts :) I’m fairly certain I have this disease.


98 posted on 07/29/2012 4:27:21 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: All
I purpose a problem many writers have is a lack of editing skill or taking the time to edit. (Guilty) I would imagine most errors are typos, not ignorance of sin tax or proper spelling.

I can get away with anything perceived as faulty because I own a "Creative Spelling Dictionary," witch absolves me from this bastion of English language piety and those who Lord over us with rectification and shrivitity! I yous this reference quite freakwently!

99 posted on 07/29/2012 4:57:35 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Gabz

I’m glad your daughter is so astute! Very few young people are, especially if they go to public schools, where such details are not emphasized. My current employer keeps trying to hire office help who can spell and can write English in some recognizable form, but they’re few and far between.


100 posted on 07/29/2012 5:52:38 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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