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Don't EVER Do This!
Life Experience | July 29, 2012 | By Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 07/29/2012 5:51:06 PM PDT by Lazamataz

DO NOT EVER DO THIS.

I met a fellow about 7 years ago in the rooms of Narcotics Anonymous. He was getting cleaned up; so was I. We became fast friends. Soon, I was helping him out, and he was helping me.

Sometimes I loaned him money -- a lot -- and sometimes he loaned it to me. Once, I loaned him my car for some jobn interviews. Everything went well.

He contacted me recently and asked if I could rent him a car. "Why can't you rent it?" I asked. Well, he had a valid license but not a physical copy of it. Sure, I replied. I can do it.

I rented the car for him from Enterprise. He paid for the whole deal, including the extended insurance (which I demanded he do). Four days pass, the car needs to be returned or re-rented. No problem, he comes with more money and we re-rent it. Four more days pass, and I contact him. No answers. I call him all day. No answers. Now I am getting worried.

I go to where his last address was, and his girlfriend answers (also in the program of recovery) and she says he moved out some time back. She hints he's returned to using. Now I am getting REALLY worried.

I call and call and call. The next day, I go to Enterprise, and they inform me that because he is an unauthorised driver, no coverage will be afforded me under the insurance. I may be 100% civilly liable. They instruct me to report the car stolen. I call Chamblee police, and an officer comes. Police are always suspicious, and this one is too, telling me "my story does not add up" (but it did! It is what happened!) and informing me that I could and would be charged with a FELONY (Theft by Conversion) if the car is not returned by nightfall.

The guy is still not answering. I might be in SERIOUS trouble for being an idiot -- not for truly being a criminal.

The next day he answers, finally. Tells me not to panic, that the car is fine. I tell him HE and I will BOTH be charged with a felony and that we may be already. He shrugs it off ... "No big deal. I've had felonies before."

Yeah, a comment like that, he's definitely using again.

He promises to get the car to me. I wait at home, calling every fifteen minutes. Excuse after excuse on why he's not there yet. Finally, he stops answering again. Oh crap.

A day passes, I'm reaching out to my 12 step friends to locate him. One person saw him in an apartment complex. I stake it out for a while. No luck.

Another day passes. Enterprise calls me, they tell me they haven't issued a warrant yet, but this will be the final day.

So I start thinking like an addict. I was one, I know how they think. The only interest they (used to be me, too) have is their next hit. BINGO. I text him that I will offer him 100's in cash to bring the car back.

Suddenly he calls. He's willing. I tell him to meet me at my place of employment, where there are armed security guards. He pulls in, he's got 2 friends with him. Hmmm. I lure him out of the car by putting the cash on the ground. He gets out, I get in and order the friends out. The dude says, "Aren't you at least going to drive us somewhere?" Hell no. I'm in sight of armed guards right now, this is where they get out. I let them know they need to leave. I wave to the security guards, they wave back. They had no idea what was going on, but the wave convinced the hoodlums to leave.

This was the most terrifying week I have had in a long time. I was certain I was going to be jailed, with little prospect of an immediate bond, and a loss of job, and a felony accusation that my attorney told me was likely to stick.

All because I was too nice, too naive, and just plain stupid.

Don't let anything like this happen to you. I aged about 5 years.


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To: Lazamataz

DAYUM!

Glad you figured your way out of that one.

The next time you’re feeling kindhearted to a stray cat person (long story behind that appellation), call your friendly neighborhood cynical freedomposter, I’ll set you straight. And it won’t cost a bunch of rental days from Enterprise! Maybe just a lunch and a bubble tea on Buford Highway.

BTW, I just went tonight for the first time to a Szechuan place a few miles north of the Perimeter that was awesome! A good friend’s daughter’s boyfriend is Chinese, one of his family’s favorites. Place was really busy, and maybe 6-8 white people in the place.


101 posted on 07/29/2012 6:56:00 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I think it's accurate to say, if your past were different, you probably would never have crossed paths with this good fellow in the first place, Laz.

Not this particular fellow, no. Maybe it would be a coworker who was secretly using drugs.

And then I wouldn't have known what to do.

I neither regret my past, nor wish to shut the door on it. It proves too useful.

102 posted on 07/29/2012 6:56:20 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz
"I'm reaching out to my 12 step friends"

Didn't you learn anything from the first half of the experience?


103 posted on 07/29/2012 6:57:29 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: FreedomPoster

We can do Szechuan. I need to calm down for a few days first. Hey that’s right! It’s your treat this time! :)


104 posted on 07/29/2012 6:57:33 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: mass55th

I’ve been to Laz’s office once to pick him up to go to lunch. Without revealing any detail, I don’t think he’ll have any problems there. If he did, I would be *greatly* surprised!


105 posted on 07/29/2012 6:58:52 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: real saxophonist

Yeah, I enjoyed talking to you too. I’ve lost all my phone numbers, so we’ll need to exchange them again.


106 posted on 07/29/2012 6:58:56 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Talisker; Lazamataz

It had nothing to do with co-signing. It had to do with character evaluation. And while “trusting no one” sounds nice on paper, it makes for a pretty shitty world. So, human beings take risks on their hearts. And learn.


You can only be truly betrayed by one you care about.


107 posted on 07/29/2012 7:01:37 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: FreedomPoster

ABSOLUTELY no problems to be had at MY office. LOL! Not even if your name is Achmed. PARTICULARLY if your name is Achmed. LOL!

Oh, and that’s exactly why I insisted we to the money-for-car trade there. No issues were likely to unfold on THAT particular plot of land.


108 posted on 07/29/2012 7:02:02 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz
You had a problem and didn't like it so You changed. They had a problem and needed an excuse for their problem, mostly because the slammer loomed.

I am glad you didn't go the gutter trash way, you have interesting and humorous views on things.

109 posted on 07/29/2012 7:03:03 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: I see my hands
Didn't you learn anything from the first half of the experience?

Yes. Not to COSIGN for anyone.

110 posted on 07/29/2012 7:03:17 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

I agree you were getting a lesson here. Perhaps a reminder of the world you left behind and so that you can breathe a sigh of relief it’s no longer your life.


111 posted on 07/29/2012 7:04:04 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: gorush

Wasn’t it Mark Twain who said that if you adopt a stray dog and feed it, you’ll have a loyal friend for life? A human in the same situation may end up killing you.


112 posted on 07/29/2012 7:04:36 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Little Bill
You had a problem and didn't like it so You changed.

I changed nothing. I can't. But I did humbly ask God to change me.

113 posted on 07/29/2012 7:04:36 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz
If Jesus Christ himself returns and asks me to rent a car, I'm telling him to get his gaw-damned license and rent it himself.

I wouldn't worry about that - where he'll take you, you don't need roads.


114 posted on 07/29/2012 7:05:39 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: saywhatagain
As sad as it is, I've always been a cynic. When I was a very young lad my Father taught me to trust no one, he was a prison gard and felt trust had to be earned first.

Funny thing, one of our neighbor's was so very nice, great with kids and always wanted to go for a walk.

Harry came to the door and asked my Mother if he could take my sister for a walk but Mom knew she would have to clear it with Dad first. (and told him so)

Not a month later he was arrested for molesting little girls and spent a couple of years in the pen.

He was so lucky he didn't go to the same prison as my father, I have no doubt he never would have made it out alive.
Poor analogy? maybe, but it's all about trust.

115 posted on 07/29/2012 7:06:37 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Lazamataz
I think my implication was clear the lesson you missed is one doesn't reach out to 12 step friends.

116 posted on 07/29/2012 7:07:30 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: riri

I breathe that sigh of relief every day I wake up.


117 posted on 07/29/2012 7:07:47 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: I see my hands

No offense intended, but that’s rubbish. Those 12 step friends sometimes save my life.


118 posted on 07/29/2012 7:08:49 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

First, thank God you made it out of that situation OK.

Second, thank you for sharing your experience.

I know someone who co-signed a loan for someone who couldn’t pay for some needed health care because the person: (a) had other financial priorities that were sort of frivolous, (b) didn’t hold down a steady job, and (c) had declared bankruptcy so was incapable of borrowing money.

The scenario you shared reminded me of the movie Parenthood (1988). It describes (among other things) a situation in which an adult ne’er-do-well son shows up on his elderly Dad’s doorstep with a bastard son from a one-night stand (I guess the mother abandoned the child, or something) and a load of gambling debt over which some shady people were demanding payment. The father said he’d lend his son the money, but on the condition the son had to commit himself to working for his father for a set number of years until it was paid off. The son agreed, the money changed hands, and then the son skipped town — for good.

Of course grandfather ended up raising the grandson.


119 posted on 07/29/2012 7:09:15 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Lazamataz

I bailed a “friend” out once because his girlfriend (they had two kids) called crying that he was in jail for domestic violence and that she takes it all back.
He only threw the phone at me, I love him!

I had known them for many years and should have known better.

I was a fool to get involved.
I never saw them or my money again.


120 posted on 07/29/2012 7:09:35 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Lazamataz

Should we log this one under lesson learned ?


121 posted on 07/29/2012 7:09:53 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: Lazamataz
NEVER, EVER, sign for someone! Tell him you`ll run him to the license bureau, maybe even loan him the license fee, NEVER SIGN your “John Hancock”! I would for my direct family but only if they are on as authorized users but NEVER anyone else.
122 posted on 07/29/2012 7:10:34 PM PDT by nomad
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To: kabumpo; Lazamataz

I hafta disagree.

Wising up is not the same as “changing.” Don’t ever become legally responsible for someone else’s actions. Lending money is one thing. Lending your legal entity is another.


123 posted on 07/29/2012 7:11:30 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Lazamataz
No surprise birthday parties.

That's just great.

Now a balloon animal making clown, 6 strippers, 4 belly dancers, 3 bartenders, a 16 piece orchestra, Hawaiian flame dancers, Elton John and a pony need to find another gig.

124 posted on 07/29/2012 7:11:37 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one
I'm pissed.

No monkeys.

125 posted on 07/29/2012 7:13:14 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

Glad you are OK. Quite an experience!


126 posted on 07/29/2012 7:13:41 PM PDT by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: Lazamataz
You should have had the police there to stop him from taking your cash too.Maybe even search him and see if he`s holding, “You`re going to jail,you shmuck!”
127 posted on 07/29/2012 7:13:55 PM PDT by nomad
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To: thecodont

So sad.
It happens all the time.


128 posted on 07/29/2012 7:14:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Should we log this one under lesson learned ?

Uh.

Yeah.

129 posted on 07/29/2012 7:15:29 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz
I have always thought the question is this:

Would this person drive 3 hours to give me a ride when I'm stranded?

If I don't know the answer then no, I don't want to rely on them and how could I count on them?

Cynic, yes. I count my real friends on one hand, and that one hand could always be counted on.

130 posted on 07/29/2012 7:16:11 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: nomad
You should have had the police there to stop him from taking your cash too.

Again, that's where my street smarts and former experience come into play. Active addicts have a sixth sense about cops. They would have SMELLED something wrong and peeled back out. Then Laz would have been in jail.

131 posted on 07/29/2012 7:18:11 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: thecodont

I saw a good film along those lines today

Room For One More (1952)

A family with three children takes in troubled orphans.

Dir: Norman Taurog Cast: Cary Grant , Betsy Drake , Lurene Tuttle .

BW-95 mins, TV-G,


132 posted on 07/29/2012 7:18:18 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: hole_n_one

Elton John and a pony !!??!!

YIKES


133 posted on 07/29/2012 7:18:30 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Lazamataz
Jesus rides beside me. He never buys any smokes
134 posted on 07/29/2012 7:18:57 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Proud to have been beat up and shot by the late Paul Gomez. RIP, 'Gnomez'.)
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To: #1CTYankee
and that one hand could always be counted on.

I have found that I, too, can count on my hand.

Never seems to have a headache.

135 posted on 07/29/2012 7:19:47 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: nomad
Maybe even search him and see if he`s holding.

Oh, more experience. An addict does not move until the drugs are gone. There is no such thing as a 'holding addict' unless they are on the way back from the dope man.

Been there, done that.

136 posted on 07/29/2012 7:22:14 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: real saxophonist

If Jesus is bumming your cigs, tell him to buy his own!


137 posted on 07/29/2012 7:23:04 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: wtc911; Lazamataz
Anybody here really need to be told to never trust a junkie?

At one point in my life I did trust one. She became addicted to prescription pain killers. She lied to me, spent over a hundred grand on drugs and doctor visits. She betrayed me. She was my wife.

I mean, if you can't trust your wife, who can you trust?

I haven't trusted ANYONE since.

138 posted on 07/29/2012 7:25:37 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Lazamataz
I have been around here to long to accept that. You moved and removed yourself from the environment, you spoke about your problem and accepted responsibility for your errors, real and perceived.

Christ said “Follow Me”, when you accept Christ you accept change but the change is through you and a self examination, It really sucks to be confronted by You and Christ.

139 posted on 07/29/2012 7:27:29 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: oust the louse
The great Ronald Reagan always said: Trust but verify.

That doesn't always work.

For myself I verify BEFORE I trust.

140 posted on 07/29/2012 7:28:40 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: thecodont

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045102/


141 posted on 07/29/2012 7:30:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Lazamataz

gosh, i’m glad you didn’t end up in jail,Laz.

i think the quality of your posts might have been seriously
diminished.

hope your catching up on the the sleep you must have lost!

and well played by you there at the end of the ordeal.


142 posted on 07/29/2012 7:32:00 PM PDT by americas.best.days...
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To: Lazamataz
My favorite:

"Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company"

George Washington.

Enough said.

143 posted on 07/29/2012 7:32:03 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Lazamataz
Sorry about your bad experience; glad you got it fixed.

Now don't do dat again.

In Bill's Story, he said of the early days at his home, "...there were many failures, and an occasional heartening success." A few years later, their success rate was 50% of all newcomers, and half the remainder after a few slips. In the mid-1980s, I saw that kind of success rate. It seems to run in cycles.

For now, after 27.5 years in the program, I look around the rooms and I see dead people everywhere, with a few heartening exceptions. Those few are why we keep going.

144 posted on 07/29/2012 7:32:55 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: unixfox
I mean, if you can't trust your wife, who can you trust?

Another wife. One God selects. I keep on trying to pick women, and have discovered that my picker is BROKE.

I haven't trusted ANYONE since.

Please don't close off that hard. I will trust again. I just won't cosign. :)

145 posted on 07/29/2012 7:33:22 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

Slim’s rule #1

You can’t save people from themselves.

Slim’s rule # 2

You can’t change rule # 1.

Slim’s rule # 3

Trust is the condition necessary for betrayal to occur.

Sometimes it sux to be Slim, but that’s the way it is.


146 posted on 07/29/2012 7:33:59 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Lazamataz

Never loan a car or your wife to a friend because he will throw a rod in both of them.I’m glad things worked out well for you.had to be the scare of your life.


147 posted on 07/29/2012 7:35:02 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: listenhillary

I wouldn’t shoot,but the guy would have gotten a systematic beat-down.


148 posted on 07/29/2012 7:36:37 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Lazamataz

Glad everything worked out, but like others said, keep an eye on your back. The “friends” you refused to take somewhere, they know what you look like.

Not trying to make you paranoid, but would rather that than to hear you got hurt.

Take care.


149 posted on 07/29/2012 7:39:07 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Little Bill

You worked in The Program. You of all people should know that self-change is nearly impossible. The ONLY change that seems to have any effect is available ONLY at Step 3: Turn our will and our lives over to a power greater than ourselves.


150 posted on 07/29/2012 7:39:44 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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