Skip to comments.I'm conservative (oh yea uh-huh) and pro-gay marriage and I want your ZOT!
Posted on 08/03/2012 4:19:35 PM PDT by agooga
Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, agnostic AND supporter of gay-marriage is not always easy. I usually take a lot of heat from both sides, and I'm used to that.
With the Chick-Fil-A situation, I see both sides of the issue. I support CFA and I support the idea of gay marriage. What I don't support are the tactics used by the left to bully, intimidate, mock, deride and create false narratives to achieve their goal.
I'm angry at the left for creating hatred. I see and hear a lot of it because I have so many gay and liberal friends, and I hate to see them so angry and hateful, and I hate to see them putting out all of that negativity into the world. I feel like it's pollution, seeping out of their mouths and fingertips, spreading and touching us all. I feel like it's hurting us all. I know it's hurting me.
Sometimes I try to explain this to them. I have many Christian friends who are for traditional marriage, and I RESPECT their point of view. I acknowledge the fact that thousands of years of customs and tradition, millions of years of evolution, and various types of traditional upbringing and church doctrine has deeply encoded the idea of man/woman relationships and man/woman marriage on almost all of us. Some of us have been able and willing to make the leap to their side and accept the gay lifestyle as valid, but many of us have not.
My pro-gay friends equate the gay rights struggle with the cvil rights struggle, and there are SOME parallels, but not as many as they would think. Slavery, segregation and other forms of racial discrimination were actually encoded in the laws of the time. There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people-- the issue is simply that there are no laws that specifically countenance gay people, and the right to gay marriage.
Is there prejudice from some in the hetero community? Yes. Is this prejudice based on a belief in one's intellectual or physical superiority? No. It's based on an IDEA, essentially. It's often based on the principle of morality. Traditionalists think that gay people are "doing something wrong" or "doing something that is unnatural." Some heteros think that gay people choose this lifestyle and believe they can change themselves-- but choose not to as an act of rebellion. This is not true.
Gayness is imprinted, in my opinion, just as anti-gayness is imprinted. Neither are clear, conscious choices that we make-- they are largely made for us by our genetics, upbringing, culture or some combination.
I ask that you not hate gay people for this reason.
But I also directly ask gay people and their supporters not to hate you and TRY to understand why traditionalists feel uncomfortable, threatened and even repulsed by the gay lifestyle. And rather than trying to push traditionalists off the edge of the cliff, I ask my pro-gay friends to try to lead these skeptics away from the cliff with respect, tolerance and compassion. So far, this plea has fallen mostly on deaf ears.
I operate under no illusions that we can wave a magic wand and heal the wounds of our nation, largely inflicted by anarcho-radical leftwing 60's retread tactics. But is it just me, or does no one understand that the more you push with brute force, the more the other side digs in it's heels to resist?
Gay marriage will likely be reality in America soon. That issue will be settled in the SCOTUS and it will be all over in a soundbite released on a Friday night before the justices go on summer vacation. I am sure of that. But we still have to live with each other.
So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you? And is it worth trying to help other people understand one another a little more? Or is it none of my (or anyone's) business?
Is this an intentional non-intentional opus, wrapped in an enigm...
“Well, I don’t know about all of that, but he’s gay Jim.”
I agree with everything you just said.
The Homosexual Population can be best described as lowfat milk - Less Than 2%.
The Homosexual Agenda is only, ever has been, and simply about one single thing:
UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO YOUNG FLESH.
No one is ever born homosexual. There is no homosexual "gene". Homosexuals are recruited, or more accurately, corrupted. And the target recruiting pool is always young flesh.
found the same.
I asked a Doc about this and he told me about all the disease, how that think film from the prostate can be cut open to fecal but the pone which stuck out was when he said about a man sticking it into fecal matter and then having a man suck it off.
He said no matter how much they think they have cleaned their penis there could be fecal matter on that and over time that causes disease
Don;t shout about equality when they ignore other kinds of sham marriage.
Don't tell me love when I can love my dog or daughter or even kids but do not want sex or marry them..
Fact is that they put their whole life around their sexual turn on , parades, proud shirts special rights for them.
It's so surreal
Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, agnostic AND supporter of gay-marriage is not always easy
***What is it with these bullshit conservatives?
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In response to GOP Proud (Queer eye and RINO guy for the TPP) ^ | Nov 14, 2010 | Jim Robinson
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:13:16 PM by Jim Robinson
There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people— the issue is simply that there are no laws that specifically countenance gay people, and the right to gay marriage.
I fully agree! ...In particular, marriage is not a ‘right’. It’s like a driver license or hunting license; dependent on meeting the individual States’ prerequisites to get approval of an application for marriage within each State. It is not a Federal issue in any way.
Thanks for your posting, as it showed a lot of thought on the matter on your part. ...I do, however, disagree with your comment that genetics plays a role in people turning to homosexuality.
I Nominate This For The New Undead Thread!
Do I Hear An Amen?
I second that demotion!
LOL. But to me more precise in their wording: Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Trans-gender (GLBT). Try GaLiBiTS. Or GLiBiTS. One of these acronyms should go viral! Yours sound funniest - but I'll go with The GLiBiTiteS. Har!
This argument is nothing more than using the heavy handed power of government to force others to do as you wish. That can not ever be described as conservative. That is CONFUSED.
What is it with the militant homosexuals? Had one on here last week that felt the need to tell me he wasn’t a “breeder”. That’s what they like to call us.
Something like that normally wouldn’t offend me, but they use it with such contempt.
Those idiots don't even realize that if not for "breeders", their stupid moronic asses wouldn't even exist. They would still be an egg or a squiggly spermatozoa looking at the wrong end.
Bwahahaha! Post of the day! That was awesome.
tossed aside on a motel room floor in a feces covered condom
Bad summation. Agnostics don't "doubt God", they are just not sure. Atheists are the those who "doubt" a supreme being. Most of us agnostics hope for something behind the "big bang". Nobody knows, no matter what is written in words by various prophets. I personally believe in "divine design".
As for you chemical theory including procreation, well, humans have emotions, including empathy and sympathy. Those two emotions alone should be enough to not do unwarranted harm to others. I'm not sure there is a Biblical god (again, there may be), but I have enough empathy as to not want harm on others and also because I don't want the same harm to come to me or my loved ones.
Whether we came from a microbe in the seas, or from a tree in a garden, or from the microbe that was designed to evolve, my feelings wish no harm on others, unless they "trespass" on my superior species rights. And yes, we are superior no matter how we got here.
Yes, I can be an agnostic and still see what works for civilization. I firmly support Christians and Jews (except liberals) and the State of Israel. I served 11 years in the US Navy during the "cold war" to defend Israel and other peace-loving nations. I am 62 years old and I know what works and what doesn't for mankind. Age provides perspective.
You”re a G_d damn iodiotic moronic imbicile if you believe your own screed.
You”re a G_d damn iodiotic moronic imbicile if you believe your own screed.
>> supporter of gay-marriage
>> There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people
So in your idiotic, juvenile sense of fairness, you’ll support the persecution of those that refuse to partake and service the affairs of homosexuals?
Understanding is a whole lot different than rolling over and letting the Constitution be taken over and trashed by those who find a "right" for any society-destroying perversion. I prefer the old adage, "Love the sinner, hate the sin"; you can love and even respect those who are "different", but you don't have to buy into the crap that they're just as moral and upstanding as the next guy. If you were really a "hard core Constitutinalist", you would not condone the attitudes and movements that are designed to pervert and negate the Constitution.
I didnt invent it. It is going viral ;-)
The leftist trash are merely trying to redirect attention to the sideshow of gay marriage, much the same way that they redirected attention from Clinton’s actual crimes onto Monica’s blue dress.
So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you?Yeah. I want the two minutes of my life back I spent reading your crap!
If you decide to come back and read the replies, I suggest you read this http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm first. Pay attention to #s 18 - 26. The commies have taken over your mind.
Lacrew, you’ve got every single point of the gay issue 100% correct.
By the way...I still believe that it’s a mental disorder, and that they’re born that way.
The really big decisions are reserved for you brainy types. I’ll just continue to blather and pontificate about whirled peas and global economics lol! (Nobody listens anyway, so why not think big?)
How’s it going? Still enjoying your new home? How’s the Bride? (That’s in order of appearance, not importance.)
As ever, you’re onto something there, Mr. Civilizations!
Well, lessee... The Bride will be graduating and returning to open arms next Friday.
The older stepdaughter’s birthday is today, and I’m treating her to a nice dinner tonight.
We had an issue with a leaking A/C pipe in the walls, and we’ve got drywall being laid up and painted this weekend.
We’re watching the weather here, with two named tropical storms and another one warming up in the bullpen. More hurricane parties...
Sodom and Gomorrah
That is like saying many Christians are for the Bible. If someone is actually a Christian (meaning they have read the Bible and understand and follow it); they recognize night and day, wet and dry; and recognize what marriage means.
Not much to debate, you are or aren't.
“Uh oh, youve been told on by someone above me...”
Welcome to FR, a pro-God CONSERVATIVE website.
I see that you are unfamiliar with what a Conservative is.
FR is NOT a liberal debating society.
If you have a problem with this, perhaps you should address your concerns to the site owner?
Or perhaps you just like to whine about idiot pro-Homo trolls getting banned.
Graduating?????? Please do tell!!!!!!!!!!!
The Bride is about to graduate from the Police Academy. She is a serving JPO (Juvenile Probation Officer) and as such she’s an Officer of the Court. When she graduates, she’ll get her badge and credentials. I’m so proud of her I could explode!
Please offer her our congratulations!
My kids are now 18 and 20. I used to create homeschool lessons from these posts.
If I tried to do that now, the only thing they would learn that the correct response to an argument is to tell people to go to hell and to ban them.
Weve lost something wonderful.
You are learning . Never stop learning Marie .
I know we just past a full moon and are due for a blue one at end of month..
but really is that why everyone going off the deep end?
You can choose what hole you want to stick your peg into, one is evil, one is natural.”
We disagree. Some people are born with 11 toes, some are born gay (IMHO). Doesn’t make any of them normal, but I do believe some people are born gay. Remember before being gay was so popular - and the term was ‘in the closet’. Even when there were enormous social presure against it, some people could not help themselves. Some people with OCD wash their hands until they’re chapped. Some people really can’t control themselves.
....being gay is still a disorder, though. And, like other mental disorders, there is a possibility of treatment.
I know that I am late to the party, but your post makes it clear that you have not core values. Most of your screed is clearly note thought about with any logic. You are emotional based and your post shows it...
Good riddance, well deserved zot!
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