Skip to comments.I'm conservative (oh yea uh-huh) and pro-gay marriage and I want your ZOT!
Posted on 08/03/2012 4:19:35 PM PDT by agooga
Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, agnostic AND supporter of gay-marriage is not always easy. I usually take a lot of heat from both sides, and I'm used to that.
With the Chick-Fil-A situation, I see both sides of the issue. I support CFA and I support the idea of gay marriage. What I don't support are the tactics used by the left to bully, intimidate, mock, deride and create false narratives to achieve their goal.
I'm angry at the left for creating hatred. I see and hear a lot of it because I have so many gay and liberal friends, and I hate to see them so angry and hateful, and I hate to see them putting out all of that negativity into the world. I feel like it's pollution, seeping out of their mouths and fingertips, spreading and touching us all. I feel like it's hurting us all. I know it's hurting me.
Sometimes I try to explain this to them. I have many Christian friends who are for traditional marriage, and I RESPECT their point of view. I acknowledge the fact that thousands of years of customs and tradition, millions of years of evolution, and various types of traditional upbringing and church doctrine has deeply encoded the idea of man/woman relationships and man/woman marriage on almost all of us. Some of us have been able and willing to make the leap to their side and accept the gay lifestyle as valid, but many of us have not.
My pro-gay friends equate the gay rights struggle with the cvil rights struggle, and there are SOME parallels, but not as many as they would think. Slavery, segregation and other forms of racial discrimination were actually encoded in the laws of the time. There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people-- the issue is simply that there are no laws that specifically countenance gay people, and the right to gay marriage.
Is there prejudice from some in the hetero community? Yes. Is this prejudice based on a belief in one's intellectual or physical superiority? No. It's based on an IDEA, essentially. It's often based on the principle of morality. Traditionalists think that gay people are "doing something wrong" or "doing something that is unnatural." Some heteros think that gay people choose this lifestyle and believe they can change themselves-- but choose not to as an act of rebellion. This is not true.
Gayness is imprinted, in my opinion, just as anti-gayness is imprinted. Neither are clear, conscious choices that we make-- they are largely made for us by our genetics, upbringing, culture or some combination.
I ask that you not hate gay people for this reason.
But I also directly ask gay people and their supporters not to hate you and TRY to understand why traditionalists feel uncomfortable, threatened and even repulsed by the gay lifestyle. And rather than trying to push traditionalists off the edge of the cliff, I ask my pro-gay friends to try to lead these skeptics away from the cliff with respect, tolerance and compassion. So far, this plea has fallen mostly on deaf ears.
I operate under no illusions that we can wave a magic wand and heal the wounds of our nation, largely inflicted by anarcho-radical leftwing 60's retread tactics. But is it just me, or does no one understand that the more you push with brute force, the more the other side digs in it's heels to resist?
Gay marriage will likely be reality in America soon. That issue will be settled in the SCOTUS and it will be all over in a soundbite released on a Friday night before the justices go on summer vacation. I am sure of that. But we still have to live with each other.
So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you? And is it worth trying to help other people understand one another a little more? Or is it none of my (or anyone's) business?
The really big decisions are reserved for you brainy types. I’ll just continue to blather and pontificate about whirled peas and global economics lol! (Nobody listens anyway, so why not think big?)
How’s it going? Still enjoying your new home? How’s the Bride? (That’s in order of appearance, not importance.)
As ever, you’re onto something there, Mr. Civilizations!
Well, lessee... The Bride will be graduating and returning to open arms next Friday.
The older stepdaughter’s birthday is today, and I’m treating her to a nice dinner tonight.
We had an issue with a leaking A/C pipe in the walls, and we’ve got drywall being laid up and painted this weekend.
We’re watching the weather here, with two named tropical storms and another one warming up in the bullpen. More hurricane parties...
Sodom and Gomorrah
That is like saying many Christians are for the Bible. If someone is actually a Christian (meaning they have read the Bible and understand and follow it); they recognize night and day, wet and dry; and recognize what marriage means.
Not much to debate, you are or aren't.
“Uh oh, youve been told on by someone above me...”
Welcome to FR, a pro-God CONSERVATIVE website.
I see that you are unfamiliar with what a Conservative is.
FR is NOT a liberal debating society.
If you have a problem with this, perhaps you should address your concerns to the site owner?
Or perhaps you just like to whine about idiot pro-Homo trolls getting banned.
Graduating?????? Please do tell!!!!!!!!!!!
The Bride is about to graduate from the Police Academy. She is a serving JPO (Juvenile Probation Officer) and as such she’s an Officer of the Court. When she graduates, she’ll get her badge and credentials. I’m so proud of her I could explode!
Please offer her our congratulations!
My kids are now 18 and 20. I used to create homeschool lessons from these posts.
If I tried to do that now, the only thing they would learn that the correct response to an argument is to tell people to go to hell and to ban them.
Weve lost something wonderful.
You are learning . Never stop learning Marie .
I know we just past a full moon and are due for a blue one at end of month..
but really is that why everyone going off the deep end?
You can choose what hole you want to stick your peg into, one is evil, one is natural.”
We disagree. Some people are born with 11 toes, some are born gay (IMHO). Doesn’t make any of them normal, but I do believe some people are born gay. Remember before being gay was so popular - and the term was ‘in the closet’. Even when there were enormous social presure against it, some people could not help themselves. Some people with OCD wash their hands until they’re chapped. Some people really can’t control themselves.
....being gay is still a disorder, though. And, like other mental disorders, there is a possibility of treatment.
I know that I am late to the party, but your post makes it clear that you have not core values. Most of your screed is clearly note thought about with any logic. You are emotional based and your post shows it...
Good riddance, well deserved zot!
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