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Why classic albums are selling more than new ones
Boston Herald ^ | Thursday, August 2, 2012 | Jed Gottlieb

Posted on 08/05/2012 1:17:42 PM PDT by Olog-hai

… In the first half of 2012, catalog albums—the industry’s term for discs released more than 18 months ago—sold 76.6 million units. New albums tallied 73.9 units. It’s a narrow victory, but the margin will increase slowly, steadily over time. New will never top old again. …

There is a simple, straightforward reason so many catalog titles dot Billboard’s album charts this summer: price cuts.

Labels and retailers have slashed prices on catalog releases, making them, on average, $5 cheaper than new releases. This has had a dramatic effect. Phil Collins couldn’t be less hip, but last week, when Amazon’s MP3 store cut Collins’ “…Hits” to 99 cents, Mr. Sussudio popped in at No. 6, ahead of such contemporary stars as One Direction, Chris Brown and Maroon 5 on the Billboard 200. …

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1 posted on 08/05/2012 1:17:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

vinyl rules.


2 posted on 08/05/2012 1:18:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: Olog-hai

Because what passes for music today sucks.....not saying that good music isn’t being made today, but you have to seek it out, but as far as the music that is popular, it blows.

My 10-year old son is totally hooked on classic rock, more than once he said to me, “Dad, you’re so lucky that you had good music in your day.” I agree 100%.


3 posted on 08/05/2012 1:21:35 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: the invisib1e hand

I’m with you there, even though I’ve never owned a linear tracking turntable or anything else so fancy.

Analog original recordings rule too.


4 posted on 08/05/2012 1:28:52 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: dfwgator

“Everything that can be invented HAS been invented.” Charles H. Duell, U.S. Commissioner of Patents, in 1899.

“Every good song and every good movie and every good book that can be written HAS been written.” Me, 2012


5 posted on 08/05/2012 1:29:00 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To my kin & former friends: Don't contact me if you still love obama- We got nothing to talk about)
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To: Olog-hai

The music died when disco was born.


6 posted on 08/05/2012 1:30:56 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: bmwcyle

“Rock n Roll’s been going downhill ever since Buddy Holly died.”


7 posted on 08/05/2012 1:32:03 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Olog-hai
There is a simple, straightforward reason so many catalog titles dot Billboard’s album charts this summer: price cuts.

The reason is quality.

8 posted on 08/05/2012 1:33:11 PM PDT by Poison Pill (Take your silver lining and SHOVE IT!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
What songs of the past 15 years are memorable?

I can only think of two:

How often have you heard either of these songs on the radio in - say - the last five years?

9 posted on 08/05/2012 1:33:41 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom

100 years from now, they will still be playing The Beatles.

What songs from the last 20 years will they be playing 100 years from now?


10 posted on 08/05/2012 1:35:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Olog-hai
Led Zeppelin versus Lady Gaga...it is to laugh.

All the great riffs have been done but there are still plenty left out there that suck and they are not being wasted.

11 posted on 08/05/2012 1:35:53 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obamacare like all Marxist fails, outlaws redress before creating it's demand.")
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To: Terry Mross

But this guy hit the nail on the head....albeit 169 years too early:

Ref: Patent Office Commissioner, Henry Ellsworth’s 1843 report to Congress. In it Ellsworth states, “The advancement of the arts, from year to year, taxes our credulity and seems to presage the arrival of that period when human improvement must end.”

We’re now there.


12 posted on 08/05/2012 1:37:54 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To my kin & former friends: Don't contact me if you still love obama- We got nothing to talk about)
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To: Olog-hai

RUSH was at number 1 on amazon the other day due to the 99 cent sale thing - with their album that just came out this summer - “Clockwork Angels”. Great music - available on vinyl as well.

I think a lot of the sales figures are due to folks just buying 1 or 2 digital songs. Heck, lots of groups are just putting out 1 or 2 songs. (Rush did that two years ago, and the two songs were precursors to the new album).

I think it is pretty hard for the artists to make any money just selling music nowadays.


13 posted on 08/05/2012 1:38:11 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Olog-hai
Bands that had real stage presence, they could play instruments and took delight in their skill, people in the band actually wrote their own songs, the people who sang really, really sang well (better than they danced -- which used to be the point of being the singer). Music used to have some real notes behind it -- now, in many cases, it's just a jungle beat while someone wails at high volume and tries to be Whitney Houston, or someone like that.

I blame Michael Jackson and Madonna. They got to be hugely successful by emphasizing all the wrong things.

14 posted on 08/05/2012 1:39:57 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: dfwgator

“John Milner”, owner of the “bitchinist car in the valley”.


15 posted on 08/05/2012 1:41:09 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To my kin & former friends: Don't contact me if you still love obama- We got nothing to talk about)
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To: Steely Tom

“...on the radio...”

What is this thing “radio” that you speak of?


16 posted on 08/05/2012 1:41:09 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Olog-hai

I’m sorry, I really don’t want to pay an outrageous price for a song I sort of like and 7-12 songs I hate, then watch liberal artists live like kings on my money and mock me from their lofty heights.

I’ll keep my money.


17 posted on 08/05/2012 1:47:07 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: the invisib1e hand
vinyl rules.

Two words: Antique Stores. Last weekend I took the Mrs. out to do her favorite thing: antique shopping. It was payback for her going to the Paul Rogers/Lynyrd Skynyrd concert a few weeks ago.

One of the antiqe shops we walked into had 20+ boxes of old albums. I spent more than 2 hours going through about half of them, and pulled out 40+ vinyl albums - all in reconditionable/cleanable/playable conditions that I wanted.

Classics from Boston, Queen, Peter Frampton (Frampton Comes Alive, standard issue when I was in high school) Paul Rogers, Queen, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, Uriah Heep, UFO (an album I lost during a move years ago..) and more.

Cost: $2 each. Ran them through the record cleaner and test played them all. Near perfect on my recently repaired Micro Seiki turntable.

I've heard Vinyl is outselling CD's in parts of Europe now, seems to be a resurgence in vinyl albums.

18 posted on 08/05/2012 1:47:48 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: 21twelve

To some extent, we’ve gone “back to the future” with downloads being the new 45s, and albums becoming irrelevant. It took Sgt Pepper’s to make the album king.


19 posted on 08/05/2012 1:47:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator

I was about to say something similar. I believe the phrase is “forward to the past” though . . .


20 posted on 08/05/2012 1:50:45 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: dfwgator

“Rock n Roll’s been going downhill ever since Buddy Holly died.”
I have to agree. Not much attention has ever been applied to the beautiful doowop music made by the black rnb groups of the 50’s. I’m not addressing the top 100 records played over and over again on the popular AM bands; but the groups that never made the crossover to white audiences because of racial concerns. Vinyl and pre vinyl 78 rpm discs, made for something collectable, IMO unlike the compact disk.


21 posted on 08/05/2012 1:51:21 PM PDT by duckman (Dr Ben Carlson: Vision Not Division.)
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To: 21twelve

The music business killed the music business. remember all the bands and music coming out daily in the 60’s and 70’s until the record companies pick and chose who would live or die


23 posted on 08/05/2012 1:52:56 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I have “The Who at the Isle of Wight” from 1970 on DVD.....the stage was just the four of them....no pyrotechnics, no fancy light shows.....and it totally blows away anything else I’d ever seen....because the four of them were at the top of their game in their respective instruments, and their stage presence, they were the show, not the effects.


24 posted on 08/05/2012 1:53:12 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Olog-hai
For you youngsters out there, just in case you missed it, this one is highly recommended. One of the few albums in recorded history with absolutely no loser tracks.

Amazon Link


25 posted on 08/05/2012 1:54:20 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: GBT1945
Rock died when your looks became more important than your music.

Video Killed the Radio Star.

26 posted on 08/05/2012 1:54:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Happy Rain

A few years ago one of my friends kids gave me a ride and was surprised that I like the Led Zep he was playing in his car. He had no idea when it was recorded. I told him his dad and had listened to the same album on 8 track in my ‘68 Cuda.


27 posted on 08/05/2012 1:54:38 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: duckman

Zappa hit it on the head, in the 70s, the Record Companies got taken over by the former hippies, turned young hipsters who thought that because they were young and hip, they knew what music was cool and what wasn’t, as opposed to the old cigar-chomping guys in the 60s, who would go, “Let’s take a chance, and see what happens.”


28 posted on 08/05/2012 1:59:09 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator
100 years from now, they will still be playing The Beatles.

What songs from the last 20 years will they be playing 100 years from now?

Zero, I'll wager. Goes double for "Rap."

"Classic" stations play music from 30-45 years ago.

There are no "Classic grunge" stations to the best of my knowledge.

How often do you hear Nirvana - or any other gen-X music - played on any radio station, "Classic" or otherwise?

Smashing Pumpkins, Counting Crows, Hootie and the Blowfish, Nickelback, The Gin Blossoms... nobody gives a ripe f*rt for any of them any more. Know why? Cause they're garbage, that's why.

29 posted on 08/05/2012 2:00:59 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom

We are running out of bands that can fill stadiums, I think U2 may very well be the last band able to do so.


30 posted on 08/05/2012 2:05:31 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Olog-hai

Me and my Youngest daughter 14 now are hooked on Pink Floyd their old stuff and up to the 94 Division Bell. Music nowadays sucks. Dark Side of the Moon is still one of the top selling albums.


31 posted on 08/05/2012 2:08:57 PM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: duckman
I was an opening act for The Five Satins, The Sherelles, Johnny Maestro and The Brooklyn Bridge,and a hand full of others.

I always marveled at their work ethic. It was never fame. It was putting out the music.

A lot of people thought Johnny Maestro was a snob. He wasn't. He was a very shy person. On stage, he commanded. Go figure.

32 posted on 08/05/2012 2:11:55 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (If Obama was any more thin skinned, he'd have a receptacle end: Dennis Miller)
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To: Steely Tom

The Beatles are dead. Pink Floyd keeps going and going, as a classic group. Not together any more but their albums and Roger Waters Wall tour are still selling like mad. The Wall tour has been the highest attended tour in the last 3 years. He is 68 yrs old and he still gets up there and runs around the stage and throws a hell of a show. No Disrespect to you.


33 posted on 08/05/2012 2:12:32 PM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: Olog-hai

Bad taste lives forever!


34 posted on 08/05/2012 2:14:01 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: dfwgator
We are running out of bands that can fill stadiums, I think U2 may very well be the last band able to do so.

Steely Dan can pack a room with millionaires.

35 posted on 08/05/2012 2:15:12 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Olog-hai

You still can find some great music if you look hard enough.
This for example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7czlanjaObs


36 posted on 08/05/2012 2:19:06 PM PDT by SonnyBubba
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To: Steely Tom

37 posted on 08/05/2012 2:20:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: usconservative

I’ve been listening lately (and re-listening) to Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.

An album that consistently makes it into the top 25 of the greatest RNR albums ever pretty much whoever is putting the list together.

And no matter what comes out as “music” these days, Ziggy will probably still be in the top 25 100 years from now.


38 posted on 08/05/2012 2:24:26 PM PDT by djf (The barbarian hordes will ALWAYS outnumber the clean-shaven. And they vote.)
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To: InterceptPoint
Carole King - Tapestry (1971) Original Album Full
39 posted on 08/05/2012 2:24:50 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: CrazyIvan
I remember the 8- I bought a cassete playing 8 track insert for my GT6 stereo...

Wanna whole lotta...(click)...love, wanna whole lot of...

And when the tape fouled all that time spent to wind it back up tight...

...ah memories.

40 posted on 08/05/2012 2:25:18 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obamacare like all Marxist fails, outlaws redress before creating it's demand.")
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To: Olog-hai

When I was in college and even for some time after, I thought “I will always love rock ‘n roll...”. Then came disco, grunge, rap and whatever passes for hit music today.
I have switched my allegance to Texas country - great music, great artists and great fans.

I still love rock, especially the old vinyl. Thanks goodness for yard sales and Goodwill for helping me replace many of the favorites that I tossed off of the back of the wagon during one of my many moves - easier to move those new fangled CD’s than vinyl.....

Two of my sons - both in their 30’s - are vinyl collectors. Much of theirs is of newer indie bands - plus you get cover art!


41 posted on 08/05/2012 2:27:06 PM PDT by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: dfwgator
My 10-year old son is totally hooked on classic rock, more than once he said to me, “Dad, you’re so lucky that you had good music in your day.” I agree 100%.

Ditto. It's been all downhill since the Kingston Trio.

42 posted on 08/05/2012 2:38:55 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx
It's been all downhill since the Kingston Trio.

It's been all downhill since Rudy Vallee.


43 posted on 08/05/2012 2:43:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Steely Tom
How often do you hear Nirvana - or any other gen-X music - played on any radio station, "Classic" or otherwise?

I hear Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. regularly on my local "modern" rock station. I laugh when this call this stuff modern. It's 20 years old!

Anyways, I'm done with CDs and radio. I'm done with buying music. I've discovered Pandora and that's all I listen to. I type in the bands that I like and Pandora creates my own radio station (with not only the bands I selected but other bands that Pandora's "music DNA" have found to be similar).

44 posted on 08/05/2012 2:46:49 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: usconservative

There’s a guy on the lower east side that sets up a few tables on the weekend. I’ve never seen a collection of records like this. Several versions of the same record - who knows what they are. But he’s such a complete jackass that I don’t go there anymore.


45 posted on 08/05/2012 2:47:28 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: dfwgator

I know a 12 year old kid who is really, really getting into listening to Electric Light Orchestra.

He is a pretty decent musician, and has listened to true “classical” music growing up, so this isn’t much of a stretch, I guess...but refreshing to see someone his age not buying into the Katy Perry-like crap.


46 posted on 08/05/2012 2:48:05 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: InterceptPoint
Another great album with nary a bad track:


47 posted on 08/05/2012 2:50:13 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Olog-hai

Classic albums sell well because old geezers and their poor brainwashed children, who should be listening to good contemporary stuff, and there is plenty of it, if not on the charts, the geezers and their kids keep buying the old albums or their new remixed (read: louder) versions with bonus tracks, after they bought old remixed versions with different bonus tracks, and before that cassettes and before that quadraphonic mixes, and before that...

The kids are all right, and they don’t buy albums filled as always since the invention of 33 1/3 with filler, but singles, and now they buy without having to buy the B sides, which were on Phil Spector’s and Cameo/Parker (and many others’) 45s pure garbage, when they buy today from iTunes and Amazon, and that’s how the world should work.


48 posted on 08/05/2012 2:57:36 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Drew68

Is Pandora an app?


49 posted on 08/05/2012 2:59:19 PM PDT by deadrock
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To: Focault's Pendulum

“I always marveled at their work ethic. It was never fame. It was putting out the music.”

A lot of groups also did it to attract the woman. Many were on a ego trip, they did get the chicks. BTW what was your group name?


50 posted on 08/05/2012 3:02:46 PM PDT by duckman (Dr Ben Carlson: Vision Not Division.)
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