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Outrage of the Week: Mom Arrested for Letting Her Kids, 11 & 7, Walk to Pizza Shop
Free Range Kids ^ | July 17, 2012 | Lenore Skenazy

Posted on 08/06/2012 9:45:49 AM PDT by Altariel

Yes, readers, it’s another case of child protective craziness. According to the Manchester, Conn. Patch, a local  mom was charged with “risk of injury to a minor and failure to appear after police say she allowed her seven-year and 11-year old children to walk down to Spruce Street to buy pizza unsupervised.”

And according to reader Bob who sent this to us, Google Maps shows that we are talking about a half-mile walk! In addition to the solidarity of outrage, please post your ideas for how to protest the idea that kids are in danger every time they do something on their own,  even something dumbfoundingly  mundane, which means also protesting any time helicopter parenting becomes the only  ”legal” way to raise our kids. – L.


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KEYWORDS: bullystate; childrearing; freerange; freerangekids; parenting
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1 posted on 08/06/2012 9:45:58 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

My parents would have been in prison for the “horrors” they made my sisters and I endure.


2 posted on 08/06/2012 9:48:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Altariel
Hillary has our back!


3 posted on 08/06/2012 9:52:21 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Altariel

Sounds like those kids are getting to play with the same toy that I got to play with when I was a kid. It’s called ‘Outside’


4 posted on 08/06/2012 9:53:15 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: Pride in the USA

Insanity.


5 posted on 08/06/2012 9:55:49 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Altariel
Yet when a little girl is snatched in broad daylight and something unthinkable happens, people will wonder why the mother allowed the child to wander around unattended.
6 posted on 08/06/2012 9:57:53 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Altariel

Don’t show up in my small town. The kids ride bikes/walk all over the place, sure they are sent to the stores/restaurant to pick up pizza or milk.

Thought they wanted kids to “get moving.” How can they do so if they get in trouble for walking outside?

Liberals are insane.


7 posted on 08/06/2012 9:58:31 AM PDT by madison10
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To: Altariel

OMG, My dad used to give me 50 cents to go to the corner store and buy him a pack of cigaretted when I was like 7 or something

and we practically LIVED in the woods across the street- I would leave in the mornign and not come home until it was dark practically...

some of the best times of my life- I LOVED walking to the store to do something for my dad


8 posted on 08/06/2012 9:58:52 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Altariel

The horror - I had to walk nearly a mile to school starting in the first grade (1958). There was no bus service at the time and we only had one car which my Dad used to get to work. By third grade, I had a bicycle and rode it without a helmet. I guess my parents were criminals.


9 posted on 08/06/2012 10:00:09 AM PDT by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, get a dog.)
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To: Altariel
she allowed her seven-year and 11-year old children to walk down to Spruce Street to buy pizza unsupervised.”

Because of political correctness, it IS dangerous for a child to walk on the street without protection. Even young college kids have become targets.

This is what we get when the moral fabric get's torn. We live in a nation of lawlessness these days. Political correctness has an excuse for every animalistic behavior one can think of. "It's not their fault. They're simply victims of the free society. "

I don't know which is worse. The danger associated with children being left alone for more than 60 seconds, or the danger of the nanny state punishing the parents for what the state itself has done. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

10 posted on 08/06/2012 10:00:49 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: wideawake
Yet when a little girl is snatched in broad daylight and something unthinkable happens, people will wonder why the mother allowed the child to wander around unattended.

Only women (of both genders) will do that. Rational people will recall that when we were that age, we had actual FREEDOM, and didn't allow occasional news stories from far-away states to cow us into denying our children their own Freedom to explore their world.

Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither, and will have neither.

11 posted on 08/06/2012 10:01:37 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Altariel

The only danger to kids these days are Liberals who protect those who would seek to harm our kids. The real “danger” to children everywhere are LIBERALS!


12 posted on 08/06/2012 10:02:57 AM PDT by Mister Anderson (Give them nothing, but take from them everything!)
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To: wideawake

That is hysteria, not data.


13 posted on 08/06/2012 10:06:04 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

My brother and I weren’t much older than that when our parents let us take an airplane trip by ourselves.

We did, however, carry our .22 rifles on board.


14 posted on 08/06/2012 10:08:44 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Teacher317

Indeed; it’s statistically more likely that the kids will be molested/abused by a family member in their own home than that a stranger will grab them on the street.


15 posted on 08/06/2012 10:08:58 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: wideawake

Sexual predators of children need to be dispatched, not out of cruelty toward them, but simply to protect children.

However, we don’t execute people who do this anymore. Just a massive show trial and then maybe guilty or not, depending on how stupid your jury was (Casey Anthony) or smart your lawyer was.

And then of course, IF found guilty, they’re in for Life at the worst (and let out after 15-20 years). No instant hanging, as should be. No outrage by concerned parents and citizens, just more hunkering down and gasping behind fingers held to their lips.

Moral outrage and the action it used to garner is gone.


16 posted on 08/06/2012 10:10:58 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Altariel

I moved to Manchester Connecticut when I was 9 years-old. I walked a mile each way to fifth grade and never thought it was child abuse. I never even got pizza out of the deal.

Once, my mother, who had no car, asked me to walk about 3 miles to deposit an endorsed check for about $1000. I was perhaps 11 or 12. It didn’t seem heroic or abusive but I was so ignorant then I didn’t know I was being asked to do something no child should ever be expected to do. /s


17 posted on 08/06/2012 10:11:48 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: wideawake
1997-99: about 115 stranger abductions.

In 2003, 1591 children under 15 were killed in vehicle crashes.

So you should be arrested when you drive your kid.

Sources:

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/809762.pdf

18 posted on 08/06/2012 10:12:36 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Altariel

Geez, it was of course a different world back then, but in the mid-60’s I used to hop on the bus from northern New Jersey into big bad NYC and traipse around Canal Street all day looking at electro-junk before the WTC was built. I must have been 11-12 at the time.


19 posted on 08/06/2012 10:12:40 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Mr. K

My dad used to give me 50 cents to go to the corner store and buy him a pack of cigaretted when I was like 7 or something

Good God your father was a maniac. JK. First of all, today your father would have life in prision for the fact you were 7 years old and get the chair for getting cigarettes. How life has changed for the worse.


20 posted on 08/06/2012 10:14:58 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: Mister Anderson
The only danger to kids these days are Liberals who protect those who would seek to harm our kids. The real “danger” to children everywhere are LIBERALS!

Yep. When I was a kid, the far left wing radical groups weren't really heard from that much. Now that politician are protecting their perversions, the kids can't be left alone for one second. Some "social victim" will have them in the back of his van within seconds.

21 posted on 08/06/2012 10:18:44 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Altariel
Pizza is also full of sodium!!!

22 posted on 08/06/2012 10:20:54 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: wideawake

If it was just the 7 year old, a 1/2 mile is probably a bit too far, but with her 11 year old older sister? Please, this is absolute craziness..

Yes they could get snatched, but so can your 15 year old daughter or son.

I would throw this out if I were the judge, or better yet if I was the DA just refuse to put it before the grand jury. Unless there is something else going on here not reported, this is not a crime.


23 posted on 08/06/2012 10:22:24 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Altariel
Very few people take comfort in the knowledge that there is a 99.99% chance their child will not have the unthinkable happen to them.

And part of that is the very non data-driven notion that, unlike a plane crash or a deadly illness, a parent can drive themselves insane thinking: "If only I had gone with her to get the pizza. If only I had put the talk show on pause, if only I had waited to do the laundry, if only . . . "

24 posted on 08/06/2012 10:24:45 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Alas Babylon!

“Sexual predators of children need to be dispatched, not out of cruelty toward them, but simply to protect children.”

They want to protect alternative lifestyles and lock up the parents.


25 posted on 08/06/2012 10:24:56 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: cripplecreek

No kidding. When I was barely 11 (maybe when I was still 10, I can’t remember exactly when I got my horse) I used to get up in the morning on weekends and in the summer, ride off into the desert ALONE on my horse and spend all day just messing around (or until I got too tired/hot/hungry/bored. I guess anything could have happened to me, but it never did. I didn’t wear a helmet either! I did have to be home by dark.


26 posted on 08/06/2012 10:25:57 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: pierrem15
See post 24.

There is more at work here than statistics.

27 posted on 08/06/2012 10:27:24 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

“And part of that is the very non data-driven notion that, unlike a plane crash or a deadly illness, a parent can drive themselves insane thinking: “If only I had gone with her to get the pizza. If only I had put the talk show on pause, if only I had waited to do the laundry, if only . . . “ “

“If only I allowed my kids to be self-reliant and strong instead of fearful little wusses who don’t want to do anything without their parents or government’s guiding arm.”


28 posted on 08/06/2012 10:28:13 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: wideawake

While child abductions are horrible, I think a rational person will consider risk vs. probability.

The alternative: “helicopter” around your kids all day - or teach them never get out of bed - and always wear a helmet in the shower.


29 posted on 08/06/2012 10:28:55 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Altariel

The best protest is a jury to tell the State to go F*** itself. We ain’t your damn slaves.


30 posted on 08/06/2012 10:28:55 AM PDT by Clock King
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To: cripplecreek

I know they didn’t make you ride in the bed of pickup truck???!!!


31 posted on 08/06/2012 10:30:56 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: madison10

Heh.

When I was kiddie, 10 years old, my mom would send me to the local Mom & Pop store to pick up a six-pack of Buckhorn and a pack of Winstons when she was working in the garden, and didn’t want to stop.

Fortunately, the shop owners both knew my parents, and she always called ahead to tell them I was on my way, so it wasn’t a big deal. Good heavens, if that’d happened nowadays, my parents would be in the slammer!

Much has changed in three decades.


32 posted on 08/06/2012 10:33:25 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Altariel

Absolutely nothing wrong with it. It’s just part of growing up. Sheesh!!!


33 posted on 08/06/2012 10:34:00 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: dainbramaged

Such a difference in times. I started school in 1946 in the country. There was no school bus. Two and one-half miles to school and everybody walked. When the snow was deep I had a horse to ride. We, too, had only one car but both my parents worked. Nearest bus to the city was 4 miles and my mom walked it every morning and every night so my dad could take the car because there was no bus to where he worked. I had a scooter and roller skates but wasn’t allowed to ride a bicycle because my mom felt it wasn’t something ladies do.

In the 1960’s my kids rode their bikes everywhere and also no helmet or knee pads. They were outside all day in the summer and only came home to eat, if they had skinned a knee and needed a band-aid or if it was getting dark. Never thought to worry about them.

Now when my grandson goes out to play it’s like he’s in a suit of armor and all the neighborhood moms are out watching their kids to make sure nothing happens to them.

I think it is more difficult now for older people like me because we have lived through and seen the erosion in so many areas.


34 posted on 08/06/2012 10:37:49 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: ari-freedom

Exactly. Kids are not beyond being taught not to let a stranger approach them, not to approach a stranger, etc. I knew when I was a kid not to talk to people I didn’t know. I remember a few times people made me uncomfortable, so I just stayed away from them. Kids will never ever learn to be self sufficient or how to take care of themselves if they are never given the chance.


35 posted on 08/06/2012 10:39:30 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Altariel

This past year after school, my 10 yr. old boy and 6 year old girl was picked up by a neighbor and stayed with the neighbor from 3:30 until 5:10. The school is about half a mile away. We paid that neighbor $250 a month to do this (they have a 9 yr. old boy with Asperger’s/autism).

We are debating if we can have them walk home from school and stay home for that hour and a half by themselves. They will always an option of going over to the neighbor’s house in case something happens.

I trust my 10 year old 100% with this responsibility, and in Texas the police have said there are no laws concerning this. Of course, we still have concerns with my 6 year old daughter. And of course my greatest fear is one judgmental parent calling CPS.


36 posted on 08/06/2012 10:40:30 AM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: jonno

Or drink from the garden hose ???!!!


37 posted on 08/06/2012 10:42:44 AM PDT by onona (loving butter pecan)
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To: Grams A

My first grandson was born this spring and I feel sorry for him. He’ll likely never get to enjoy the kind of childhood I had. I realize now, mine was golden.


38 posted on 08/06/2012 10:42:49 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Altariel

My mom used to send me to the store to buy cigarettes for her and my aunt, who was often at our house, having a bit of whiskey to avoid her oddball husband.

They would have been treated like war criminals!


39 posted on 08/06/2012 10:44:40 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Seems like another Nanny State situation to me.


40 posted on 08/06/2012 11:05:34 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Grams A

we would never have come home for a skinned knee, mom or grandma might have a chore to do that didnt involve re-injuring one’s knee!


41 posted on 08/06/2012 11:10:23 AM PDT by Docbarleypop
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To: Grams A
I make my kids wear a helmet while riding a bike. Why? Because when I was a kid, I gave myself 3 separate bad concussions while on (actually off, I guess, technically...) a bike. No lingering problems (yet...thank God), but it's a simple bit of safety.

Once they're old enough to make their own informed decison on the helmet, they can decide. Probably because they'll take it off as soon as they're out of my sight, anyway. Until then, they need to wear it because I'm the Dad and I say so. :-)

That'd be about it for playing helicopter parent. I took the kids up to the family farm for summer vacation this year. Only rules were 1) Don't go in the river by yourself and 2) Stay within earshot so you'll hear when I holler for lunch (or, conversely, I'll hear if they holler for me.....)

Soon as both of them learn how to swim well....hopefully by next year....Rule 1 goes out the window. :-)

They had a blast. Nothing like turning a kid loose to explore all day. We're headed back up again next year.

42 posted on 08/06/2012 11:13:14 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Altariel

OH THE HORROR!! My parents would have been UNDER the jail if they were reported to the authorities today. My two sisters and I had to walk about a mile to school. The first 3/4 mile were downhill in the morning and the last 1/4 mile was uphill. We had to walk through pastures, cross a creek and then through a cornfield.

Then we got to our great uncle’s place. For a while, he had a bad billy goat that would chase us. We finally figured out the goat was scared to death of a red handkerchief on the end of a stick. We’d leave the stick at their house in the AM and at the gate to our field in the PM.

On really cold days, he would give each of us a shot of homemade wine when we headed home. He would be arrested for giving alcohol to a minor. He had several 10 - 35 gallon barrels of wine at any given time.

We had to cross a highway just before we got to the school. The only time we got to ride home, was when the creeks were too flooded for us to cross safely. We had to take our shoes and socks off many days when crossing the creek.

OH THE HORROR!! OH THE HORROR!!


43 posted on 08/06/2012 11:15:28 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (RINO season is open. No limit. Make them extinct.)
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To: Altariel

When I was 8 years old, I would walk twice a week to my swimming lessons. It was 2 1/2 miles and the pond was located in the middle of the woods. If I didn’t walk, I didn’t learn how to swim. Both parents worked!

These were the times when a village brought up a child. Everyone in town knew everyone. You could just feel the eyes on you as you walked down the street!

I’m appalled at how our world has changed and you have to fear allowing your kids out alone.

11 years old should be old enough to attend a 7 year old. I babysat at 11. How times have changed - now you have to be at least 13 and CPR certified. lol

NANNY STATE


44 posted on 08/06/2012 11:28:54 AM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: wideawake
Very few people take comfort in the knowledge that there is a 99.99% chance their child will not have the unthinkable happen to them.

Actually most people take a great deal of comfort in that.

And part of that is the very non data-driven notion that, unlike a plane crash or a deadly illness, a parent can drive themselves insane thinking: "If only I had gone with her to get the pizza. If only I had put the talk show on pause, if only I had waited to do the laundry, if only . . . "

Are you aware that you have a mental problem? That you are irrational and hysterical? That you seek to make others as irrationally hysterical - and paranoid - as you are, rather than getting help for your problem?

Actually, that means you have two mental problems - the first is that you're paranoid. The second is that you want to make everyone else as paranoid as you are.

Hmmm... but why? For political reasons? So if everyone is as paranoid as you are, they'll support more nanny state laws to strip Americans of their freedoms and lock the country down into one giant concentration camp?

Ahh, I see now. I take it back. You're not mentally disturbed at all.

You're evil.

45 posted on 08/06/2012 11:36:39 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: cripplecreek

In my little town it was common for folks to send their kids on a walk to the store for bread, milk and CIGS! Oh, the horrors...

If we were lucky, we would have a couple of pennys left over so that we could buy a jolly rancher for the walk home!


46 posted on 08/06/2012 11:37:41 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
traipse around Canal Street all day looking at electro-junk

That was one of my favorite haunts too, as a teenager, I came in from Westchester county. 42second street with all the junky little shops was another haunt.

47 posted on 08/06/2012 11:44:33 AM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: wideawake

Your child is in greater danger riding in an automobile with *you* or *anyone else* than he/she is walking two blocks to the local pizza shop.

You can choose to live in fear and paranoia, or you can choose to live in faith.


48 posted on 08/06/2012 11:53:59 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: razorback-bert

NYC always amazed me, I could just walk around all day looking at stuff and buildings. Every angle of view, whatever direction I looked, there was always something interesting to look at. I recall many times getting off the Hudson Tubes, doing Canal St, then just setting off walking north as far as my legs could go. Many times I ended up in the Columbus Circle area, up in the 60’s, with my leg muscles just burning. It was also cool because there were 3 different ways I could get into the city; Public Service Bus to the Port Authority; Hudson Tubes taking the Newark subway, and there was another way I could take the Erie Lackawanna RR which ran through my home town, Montclair NJ.


49 posted on 08/06/2012 11:58:19 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Altariel
They likely have to pay more than a Quarter for a slice and a Coke these days after that short promenade.
50 posted on 08/06/2012 11:58:26 AM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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