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Researchers find evidence of ritual use of ‘black drink’ at Cahokia
Heritage Daily ^ | 8-7-2012

Posted on 08/08/2012 5:53:39 AM PDT by Renfield

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Residents of Cahokia, a massive pre-Columbian settlement near the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers, consumed “Black Drink ” from special pottery vessels like this one.

1 posted on 08/08/2012 5:53:51 AM PDT by Renfield
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2 posted on 08/08/2012 5:55:54 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


3 posted on 08/08/2012 5:59:39 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield
near the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers

Perfect spot if you're looking for widespread trade. You could trade with a 3rd of the continent from such a position. Add a day's portage and you could cover the great lakes region as well.
4 posted on 08/08/2012 6:10:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Renfield

Pre-Colombian Starbucks?

Caution, don’t try this one at home. Holly berries probably won’t kill you, but they are toxic enough to make you sick.


5 posted on 08/08/2012 6:12:15 AM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: Renfield
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6 posted on 08/08/2012 6:13:57 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: newheart

You don’t brew the berries, just the tender new leaves. Every year when the Robins migrate through they gorge on the berries.


7 posted on 08/08/2012 6:16:07 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Renfield

“archaeologists are at a loss to explain the sudden emergence of Greater Cahokia”

No question: they were “coffee achievers”


8 posted on 08/08/2012 6:20:16 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: cripplecreek

Indeed. Also the Ohio River was another trade superhighway, with short portages to Lake Erie and the rivers that fed into the Atlantic.

I’m convinced that Europeans arrived here during the American “Dark Ages”—the occupation of barbarian tribes after the fall of a great civilization or complex of civilizations. Cahokia was its Rome, and its lingering vestiges were seen by De Soto and others in the historical Mississippian populations in the Southeast.

The Lenape had legends of a great civilization to the West, the Alligewi, who they and the Iroquois teamed up to destroy.


9 posted on 08/08/2012 6:29:19 AM PDT by Claud
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You don’t brew the berries,

I know. You are correct, but just wanted to make it clear that using the berries is not a good idea. (And, frankly, I'm not sure I'd be all that interested in the drink brewed from the leaves either.)

10 posted on 08/08/2012 6:32:16 AM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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Birds are headed for a rough winter here. The honeysuckle berries that the birds rely on during the winter have already dried up and fallen off. The bushes themselves are dying now too. The wild rose hips are like hard little rocks at this point. No wild grapes either.

I’ll put out a lot of seed and suet but I can’t save them all.


11 posted on 08/08/2012 6:38:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Not just the birds. The blackberry crop in Kentucky and Tennessee just dried up on the canes, and the bears in the mountains didn’t have anything to fatten up on this summer. Already there are reports of more bear-garbage issues than normal. A lot of bears will get into trouble this fall.


12 posted on 08/08/2012 7:00:46 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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That's not all.
Our deer and turkey populations will suffer because the acorns are small to non existent.
13 posted on 08/08/2012 7:15:38 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: cripplecreek
Do not use the HOLLY BERRIES. You must stick to the leaves. BTW, this is the North American version of the same plant family used for MATE in Uruguay/Paraguay, and is closely related in that line with the Chinese Cha/Te ~ same word, different languages ~ TEA PLANT.

These things produce large quantities of caffein.

Worth noting ~ many analysts through the centuries, starting with the first Spanish explorers on the scene, have judged Cahokia to have some contact with CHINA.

This is about as far North as you can go in a serious ship (before modern dredging techniques and the development of a system of locks and dams along the upper Mississippi and the Missouri rivers.

About 800 AD somebody ~ no one knows who ~ showed up with the Old World invention called THE BOW AND ARROW. There are no traces before that period. Many have speculated that some folks with a taste for tea showed up at the same time.

Cahokia was developed on a long occupied area, but this town grew to have about 50,000 people making it the largest city North of Mexico City. The first traces of the dominant culture (with their totemic animals, ceremonial songs, dances and so forth) showed up about 700 AD ~ there was a big spike in cultural advance for the next couple of centuries, and by 1500, although it was still in business, they got wiped out by the great hanta virus epidemic that'd swept both North and South America (coincident with but not caused by European discovery ~ this stuff killed the Europeans as well).

It was so difficult to build up populations, whether native, or African, or European, during that period (hanta virus plague) that Europeans focused their efforts on mostly the offshore islands.

Finally, some time in the late 1500s things opened up a bit in South and Central America, and even in North America.

By the mid 1600s the plague had returned to North America but Europeans were too engaged in the 30 years war to much care. Major development didn't begin again until the late 1600s ~ first Bacon's Rebellion, the Pequot War, and a couple of other things demonstrated dissatisfaction with the Old Order of private development companies, and both led directly to the imposition of Crown Colonies on all the English claimed areas (and some of the French and Spanish claims as well).

In the meantime ~ mid 1500 to late 1600s there were some brave souls who were undoubtedly naturally immune to cholera, undulent fever, influenza, black plague, typhod, typhus and maybe a dozen other common ailments found in the then American heartland

They left some markers of their own behind as they did surveys and inventories of resources.

14 posted on 08/08/2012 7:28:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Renfield

Yeah I hadn’t thought about the blackberries but I’m guessing there are none here either. I’ve got a full grown hickory tree in the yard losing all its leaves now.

There are no ground feeding insect eaters around much now because the ground is so dry that earthworms aren’t near the surface.


15 posted on 08/08/2012 7:31:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: newheart

yes but were they Fair Trade holly leaves?


16 posted on 08/08/2012 8:12:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

LOL.
I doubt if holly is on the WTO’s list of things needing fair trade certification.

On the other hand, I don’t consider vomiting, extreme sweating and diarrhea to be a very “fair trade” just for a caffeine buzz.


17 posted on 08/08/2012 8:28:39 AM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: zot; SeraphimApprentice; Hurtgen; Interesting Times

“Coffee & tea” ping.


18 posted on 08/08/2012 8:38:31 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Renfield
This drink, a dark tea made from the roasted leaves of the Yaupon holly (ilex vomitoria) contains caffeine.

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A species name like that would sorta tip you off.

19 posted on 08/08/2012 8:43:00 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: newheart

You don’t have to make it strong. With moderate brewing it’s pretty good.


20 posted on 08/08/2012 9:08:16 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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