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Severed Hands Discovered in Ancient Egypt Palace
LiveScience ^ | August 10th, 2012 | Owen Jarus

Posted on 08/12/2012 6:57:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

A team of archaeologists excavating a palace in the ancient city of Avaris, in Egypt, has made a gruesome discovery.

The archaeologists have unearthed the skeletons of 16 human hands buried in four pits. Two of the pits, located in front of what is believed to be a throne room, hold one hand each. Two other pits, constructed at a slightly later time in an outer space of the palace, contain the 14 remaining hands.

They are all right hands; there are no lefts.

"Most of the hands are quite large and some of them are very large," Manfred Bietak, project and field director of the excavations, told LiveScience.

The finds, made in the Nile Delta northeast of Cairo, date back about 3,600 years to a time when the Hyksos... a location known today as Tell el-Daba. At the time the hands were buried, the palace was being used by one of the Hyksos rulers, King Khayan...

The hands appear to be the first physical evidence of a practice attested to in ancient Egyptian writing and art, in which a soldier would present the cut-off right hand of an enemy in exchange for gold... a practice undertaken by both the Hyksos and the Egyptians.

One account is written on the tomb wall of Ahmose, son of Ibana, an Egyptian fighting in a campaign against the Hyksos...

Scientists are not certain who started this gruesome tradition. No records of the practice have been found in the Hyksos' likely homeland of northern Canaan, Bietak said..

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ahmose; ancientegypt; avaris; catastrophism; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; hyksos; kingkhayan; manfredbietak; telleldaba
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A severed right hand discovered in front of a Hyksos palace at Avaris (modern-day Tell el-Daba). It would have been chopped off and presented to the king (or a subordinate) in exchange for gold. This discovery is the first archaeological evidence of the practice. At the time they were buried, about 3,600 years ago, the palace was being used by King Khayan. The Hyksos were a people believed to be from northern Canaan, they controlled part of Egypt and made their capital at Avaris on the Nile Delta. CREDIT: Photo by Axel Krause

Severed Hands Discovered in Ancient Egypt Palace

1 posted on 08/12/2012 6:57:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
Give 'em a hand!


2 posted on 08/12/2012 7:02:34 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Vulcan?


3 posted on 08/12/2012 7:03:24 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
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4 posted on 08/12/2012 7:07:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield!

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


5 posted on 08/12/2012 7:08:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Most of the hands are quite large and some of them are very large."

"There were giants in the earth in those days."

6 posted on 08/12/2012 7:08:21 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Kirkwood

Fascinating.


7 posted on 08/12/2012 7:10:05 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: Lazamataz; Kirkwood

And after the meal, they enjoyed a dessert of lady fingers.


8 posted on 08/12/2012 7:11:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

So the enemy became a bunch of lefties. Seems things never change.


9 posted on 08/12/2012 7:13:18 AM PDT by Track9 (Ego undermines moral courage.)
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To: Track9

:’)


10 posted on 08/12/2012 7:26:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Does “some of them were quite large” mean within the normal range or abnormal? I wish they’d give some dimensions.


11 posted on 08/12/2012 7:31:10 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SunkenCiv


12 posted on 08/12/2012 7:32:59 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hands or scalps, the spoils of war. Not as creepy as shrunken heads.


13 posted on 08/12/2012 7:35:30 AM PDT by Ditter
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14 posted on 08/12/2012 7:36:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ditter

:’) Not too sure about that! :’D


15 posted on 08/12/2012 7:39:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: little jeremiah

If actually from the Hyksos era (iow, has the biological material been RC dated?), it will be interesting if the ethnicity of the hands will be IDed from genetic material.


16 posted on 08/12/2012 7:42:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

There must have been a glut of hands as the market for them bottomed out.


17 posted on 08/12/2012 7:51:08 AM PDT by bgill
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To: SunkenCiv

Perhaps from a later Muslim occupation?


18 posted on 08/12/2012 7:55:44 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: bgill

From a different view point....Maybe they were thieves...I believe custom to cut off hands of a thief is still part of Arab/Muslim/etc law. Maybe this was a “prison” site....i.e., where they buried criminals.


19 posted on 08/12/2012 7:56:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SunkenCiv
...who knew; the Addams' Family "THING" has familial relatives in the ancient times...*salute!*

20 posted on 08/12/2012 8:00:35 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: SunkenCiv
in which a soldier would present the cut-off right hand of an enemy in exchange for gold

"Cross my palm ... with palm!"

21 posted on 08/12/2012 8:01:08 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SunkenCiv; mikrofon; Charles Henrickson
in which a soldier would present the cut-off right hand of an enemy in exchange for gold

The original Digital Age.

22 posted on 08/12/2012 8:04:23 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Dig It)
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To: bgill

Screwed up manufacturing as well.


23 posted on 08/12/2012 8:04:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: martin_fierro

The gold came from the prints.


24 posted on 08/12/2012 8:06:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: JimRed; Sacajaweau

There was no Muzzie-era occupation of the site; also, the surviving texts speak of the practice of getting money for the severed right hand of a dead enemy. And in practice, if the enemy were not dead, cutting off the right hand would probably do it.


25 posted on 08/12/2012 8:09:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: skinkinthegrass

It started when Uncle Fester farted.


26 posted on 08/12/2012 8:11:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Oratam
"There were giants in the earth in those days."

My first thought too. It would be interesting if they could get a DNA sample from one of them.

27 posted on 08/12/2012 8:19:47 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: SunkenCiv
Approves.


28 posted on 08/12/2012 8:21:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Sacajaweau

There were no Muslims at that point in history. It is the Quran that teaches to cut off the right hand. The left hand is used for the toilet, and therefore, unclean. If the right hand is severed, it means the person cannot eat, as to use the left hand in a communal dish would defile the meal.

The thief is therefore an outcast in society and usually goes off somewhere to die, or live life alone and unseen, often being forced to steal to survive.


29 posted on 08/12/2012 8:42:35 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Dogs + stress = If you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it and waIlk away.)
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To: JimRed

Mohammed didn’t disgrace the earth with his presence until around 700 AD. No Muslims before then.


30 posted on 08/12/2012 8:45:07 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Dogs + stress = If you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it and waIlk away.)
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To: martin_fierro; SunkenCiv; Charles Henrickson

This practice shows the calloused disregard for life in those days, and what some would do if you didn’t knuckle under to their rule.

In this instance there were no sailors involved, as all hands would be on deck....


31 posted on 08/12/2012 8:55:17 AM PDT by mikrofon (Pharaoh never metacarpal he didn't like...)
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To: Monkey Face
I wrote Muslim/Arab....The practice of cutting off the hand of a thief precedes Mohammed and is part of the Arab culture. Mohammed just wrote it into his specs....aka...the Quran.

My whole point is these hands may be from thieves who may also be referred to as "enemies" in a broad sense. So interpreting the text correctly may be more important than we think.

32 posted on 08/12/2012 9:24:05 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: mikrofon

hey,gimme a hand here would ya?


33 posted on 08/12/2012 9:25:12 AM PDT by Craftmore
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To: SunkenCiv

These are hand-me-downs war trophies from the Pharaoh`s older brother.


34 posted on 08/12/2012 9:27:44 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (!. what??? Who knew? .)
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To: SunkenCiv

35 posted on 08/12/2012 10:22:51 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1301 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: null and void
Bloody wankers.




No...wait...

36 posted on 08/12/2012 10:35:56 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

LOL!


37 posted on 08/12/2012 10:38:10 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1301 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: mikrofon

/rimshot!


38 posted on 08/12/2012 10:40:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bunkerhill7

Nailed it.


39 posted on 08/12/2012 10:40:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: null and void

40 posted on 08/12/2012 10:42:28 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Inyo-Mono

I predict these hands will soon become ‘lost.’


41 posted on 08/12/2012 10:48:55 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: null and void

This topic has experienced a wave of popularity.


42 posted on 08/12/2012 10:51:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Ahmose took three hands and was given "gold in double measure,"

Unreported here is that his evil rebel twin, Dextrose, would lop off only the left hand of those he vanquished. Hence, the origin of the term ambidextrose! A lot of people don't know that.

43 posted on 08/12/2012 10:56:17 AM PDT by Dysart (You didn't post that. Someone else made that happen.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wait ‘til we fully come to grips with it...


44 posted on 08/12/2012 11:12:36 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1301 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Dysart

/rimshot!


45 posted on 08/12/2012 11:18:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
They are all right hands; there are no lefts.

Thou shalt not steal...

...so, they WERE Muslims before there were Muslims? ;-')

46 posted on 08/12/2012 11:45:55 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: SunkenCiv

***in which a soldier would present the cut-off right hand of an enemy in exchange for gold.***

There are wall paintings in Egypt showing baskets of cut off penes (penises?)of dead enemy soldiers.


47 posted on 08/12/2012 11:59:27 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe they used them for measuring horses.

On the other hand, you probably wouldn’t want to be the rulers right hand man.


48 posted on 08/12/2012 2:17:41 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk oMnly to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv
IN SEARCH OF AMALEK
49 posted on 08/12/2012 3:15:28 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Very interesting paper; thanks for posting the link.


50 posted on 08/12/2012 11:05:49 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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