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North Carolina cheated and prospered, now it's time for reckoning
cbssports.com ^ | 8/14/12 | Gregg Doyel

Posted on 08/15/2012 11:56:11 AM PDT by KingOfVagabonds

The free ride is over for North Carolina. It was good while it lasted -- but why it lasted so long, I can't say. It's astounding, how this academic scandal could go on for so many years and help so many UNC athletes without being stopped.

....How many athletes were given free grades from the Department of African and Afro-American Studies? We don't know.

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It seems passing an Afro-American studies class is much too hard to do on your own...athletes need the grades given to them.
1 posted on 08/15/2012 11:56:16 AM PDT by KingOfVagabonds
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....How many athletes were given free grades from the Department of African and Afro-American Studies?

...I would argue that getting free grades does constitute an education in "african-American studies"

2 posted on 08/15/2012 12:02:33 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: KingOfVagabonds
From the comments section:
To anybody out there yelling "cheaters, punish them now!", think about it. If you attended a Univeristy or place of higher education you most likely cheated during your tenure there too. Any time you asked your friend for their answers for an assignment, or the answers to a test they took earlier in the day, borrowed a paper, used an unauthorized cheat sheet, or in today's age used your book for an online test when you weren't supposed to, you cheated and could have been kicked out of school.
I never did any of that. Ever. Sounds to me like someone who wants to rationalize his own history of cheating.
3 posted on 08/15/2012 12:03:14 PM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: KingOfVagabonds

As a UNC grad I am not surprised that the football team took easy courses, that takes place everywhere, but Academic fraud is embarressing.

To try to link this with the basketball team without any real proof is unacceptable.


4 posted on 08/15/2012 12:04:10 PM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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To: ghost of nixon

“...I would argue that getting free grades does constitute an education in “african-American studies”

Indeed.


5 posted on 08/15/2012 12:06:00 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: ghost of nixon

“...I would argue that getting free grades does constitute an education in “african-American studies”

Beautiful!

(and too often it’s followed up with a lifetime of similar ‘continuing studies’ lol!)


6 posted on 08/15/2012 12:06:19 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: ghost of nixon

...I would argue that getting free grades does constitute an education in “african-American studies”


Never thought of that...pretty brilliant.


7 posted on 08/15/2012 12:06:44 PM PDT by KingOfVagabonds
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To: KingOfVagabonds

Getting an A in a class that doesn’t exist? Typical.

I remember listing to the radio back in the 90’s. Some NC student had fallen below the required average and had to take a summer course to be eligible to play........

Golf Appreciation! Golf Appreciation? That’s a college course????? Bet he got an A in that one.


8 posted on 08/15/2012 12:07:55 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Perdogg
To try to link this with the basketball team without any real proof is unacceptable.

From the article

UNC records showed "basketball players had also enrolled. In two of the classes, the sole enrollee was a basketball player."

9 posted on 08/15/2012 12:08:14 PM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: KingOfVagabonds

Hopefully when the education bubble pops, many such useless diploma mills will close, and much of college sports will be eliminated as well.


10 posted on 08/15/2012 12:11:34 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Perdogg
Academic fraud is embarressing.

Ain't it, though.

11 posted on 08/15/2012 12:11:34 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ghost of nixon

>>...I would argue that getting free grades does constitute an education in “african-American studies”<<

I suggest that white athletes declare their major in “white boys and thangs.”


12 posted on 08/15/2012 12:11:54 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo could bring back literal slavery with chains and still he will get 85+% of the black vote)
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To: KingOfVagabonds

In a way, this is worse than Penn State since it created a competitive advantage.

Am I outraged by these allegations? Of course not. I save my outrage for what happened at Penn State.


13 posted on 08/15/2012 12:13:48 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: kevkrom; ABG(anybody but Gore); aft_lizard; Archie Bunker on steroids; Auntbee; Bad~Rodeo; ...
I saw that, but there is no proof that it was a conspiracy by the basketball to commit academic fraud. However, if there is investigation and one is discovered, I will be the first to call for punishment.
14 posted on 08/15/2012 12:17:51 PM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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To: Perdogg

There have been some BBall players linked to it. Some during Championship years.

The NCAA vacated the Final Four Memphis played in b/c Rose cheated on an SAT in Highschool (and was even cleared by the NCAA before Memphis signed Him). We shall see if they use the same standard.


15 posted on 08/15/2012 12:20:33 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: kevkrom

Hear, hear! Sounds like the “I wouldn’t trust anybody who DIDN’T use drugs during college” Bravo Sierra the libs have been handing out for 25 years. Heaven forbid we all get along on our own merit...


16 posted on 08/15/2012 12:21:42 PM PDT by jagusafr
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To: KingOfVagabonds

See what we have here? We have evidence not only of grades being given to athletes for at least a decade — but also that UNC academic support staff steered athletes to those classes. This can’t be dismissed as the rogue actions of a man named Julius Nyang’oro, the embattled former head of the Department of African and Afro-American Studies. If it was just him, well, that could be explained away to a certain extent. The school would be vulnerable to NCAA sanctions, but one man running amok? That’s not horrible.

What actually happened at North Carolina?

This is horrible.

Academic advisers steering athletes to Nyang’oro’s department. Athletes staying eligible by getting grades in some classes that didn’t even exist. Athletes who played football and men’s basketball.

Did any players on those NCAA championship teams attend bogus classes? According to the News & Observer, almost 67 percent of the students in those 54 classes were athletes. Most played football, but the newspaper reported that UNC records showed “basketball players had also enrolled. In two of the classes, the sole enrollee was a basketball player.”

but were not limited to — academic fraud. The NCAA poked around, found some stuff, but didn’t find this.

The NCAA didn’t find 54 bogus classes from 2007-11, or the unknown number of classes dating to 2001, filled mostly by UNC athletes. The NCAA hasn’t uttered a peep in recent days about these new allegations, either. Neither has the school. Not Roy Williams. Not anybody. The biggest response has been the creation of a website attacking the Raleigh reporter who is all over this story, including the Julius Peppers revelations. The website was created by a man named Carl Carey. Julius Peppers’ agent? A man named Carl Carey.


17 posted on 08/15/2012 12:24:02 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Perdogg

Oh I agree that nothing’s proven yet, but it seems clear the problems predated Butch Davis... the scope may be a different issue.


18 posted on 08/15/2012 12:24:26 PM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: KingOfVagabonds

Crush them like they are trying to do to Penn State.


19 posted on 08/15/2012 12:25:13 PM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: freedumb2003
I suggest that white athletes declare their major in “white boys and thangs.”

Now there's no need to inject race into this scandal. The writers of this article took great pains not to mention it, neither should you. In fact, the silence is deafening as everyone tiptoes around the obvious.

Give it time, and the media will round up the usual Mormon suspects...

20 posted on 08/15/2012 12:26:44 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: KingOfVagabonds

Alleged Julius Peppers transcript could lead to more North Carolina trouble

If an academic transcript recently uncovered belongs to former North Carolina two-sport standout Julius Peppers and is not a test transcript as the university says, the academic scandal that has plagued North Carolina could get even worse, according to the Raleigh, N.C. News & Observer.

The newspaper published a 2001 transcript that the university said was fake, but a possible partial transcript that is allegedly Peppers’ was posted Sunday night on an N.C. State bulletin board and is nearly identical to the fake one.

The main issue is that two of the classes—AFAM 070, an African-American Seminar class—show up on the transcript four times as no-show classes. Those classes—54 similar cases were investigated by UNC and deemed “aberrant”—presumably just took place from 2007 to 2011. If those classes were being used to help athletes remain eligible for further back, more trouble could be on the way for North Carolina.

Nine of the 10 classes in which Peppers earned a B-plus, B or B-minus that could’ve helped ensure his eligibility came in the AFAM department where he was majoring, according to the possible transcript. Three were listed as independent study classes, another problem area cited in the school’s probe for a lack of supervision of work — often a research paper — performed by students.

The possible transcript lists a 1.824 GPA, beginning with classes during the summer of 1998 and finishing in the fall of 2001 during Peppers’ last year on the football field for the Tar Heels under first-year coach John Bunting. The link lacked grades for five classes in summer and fall 2001 terms.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-08-13/north-carolina-tar-heels-julius-peppers-academic-scandal-transcript


21 posted on 08/15/2012 12:28:23 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: KingOfVagabonds

http://philoofalexandria.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/151-lwezc-em-156.jpg

Julius Nyang’oro, Chair of the Department of African and Afro-American Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, is under investigation for “teaching” courses that never met.

The African and Afro-American Studies program has been at the core of questions surrounding academic fraud involving UNC football players.

An internal university probe released this month uncovered 54 classes within the department in which there was little or no indication of instruction. The review also found at least 10 cases of unauthorized grade changes involving students who did not complete their work.

Football and basketball players made up 39 percent of students in the questionable classes, but the university has said there was no evidence of a scheme to steer student athletes to easy classes to help maintain their eligibility.

Nyang’oro, 57, a former department chairman, is retiring effective July 1. The professor, whose annual salary is $159,000, has not responded to The News & Observer’s requests for comment.

The university’s review covered 2007-11 and showed that Nyang’oro was the instructor of record for 45 of the 54 suspect classes.

He received $12,000 for the 2011 summer school course, called Blacks in North Carolina, that should have involved classroom lectures, research papers and exams. But Nyang’oro did not hold classes or require tests; students instead were assigned to do a final paper from their own research on one or two black leaders from the state.

University officials said last week that had they known the course was taught as an independent study, the professor would not have been paid.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/05/15/3239721/district-attorney-asks-sbi-to.html#storylink=cpy


22 posted on 08/15/2012 12:31:11 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: KingOfVagabonds

Death penalty needed for the athletic programs. Worse than Penn State because athletes and academic departments were involved.


23 posted on 08/15/2012 12:33:05 PM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: kevkrom
I have an undergraduate business degree from UNC. I transferred in from another University in the UNC system.

I remember how difficult it was my first year there. I got a D on a history paper because I misspelled three words. The history professor, he was a professor not a don, told me that during World War II he wrote reports for a sergeant who told him he was not allowed to use nouns until he was more proficient with verbs, LOL!

24 posted on 08/15/2012 12:33:34 PM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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To: ex-snook

It happens at every school. Plus there is no way in hell the NCAA would kill the UNC Basketball program.


25 posted on 08/15/2012 12:35:01 PM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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To: kevkrom

Exactly.

I saw examples of this being taken for granted, but was always too stubborn and proud (arrogant?) to participate myself.

BTW, a culture of cheating is even more ubiquitous in much of the third world. 10 years ago 3000 Indian law students rioted when stopped from cheating. They demanded a return to “normal” procedures.

http://rense.com/general38/banon.htm


26 posted on 08/15/2012 12:36:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: kevkrom
To anybody out there yelling "cheaters, punish them now!", think about it. If you attended a Univeristy or place of higher education you most likely cheated during your tenure there too. Any time you asked your friend for their answers for an assignment, or the answers to a test they took earlier in the day, borrowed a paper, used an unauthorized cheat sheet, or in today's age used your book for an online test when you weren't supposed to, you cheated and could have been kicked out of school.

I never did any of that when I was in school. Never. I'd have rather flunked on my own than passed by cheating. I certainly hope this is not the new standard in this country!

27 posted on 08/15/2012 12:37:24 PM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama...got that?)
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To: Perdogg
Many UNC-AAS questions remain, including: Are Roy Williams and Butch Davis being unfairly targeted?


The scope of the UNC academic scandal continues to widen as national outlets are finally catching onto the story. Many of these stories are linked in this entry from yesterday. If you missed it, please take a moment to catch up on the recent developments concerning the UNC faculty’s request for an independent investigation given its collective (and reasonable, we might add) concern that the school has not been completely forthcoming or even diligent in its own investigation and reporting of the scope of potential academic misconduct.

As is the case with many North Carolinians, many of us Wolfpackers and SFN contributors are married to UNC alumnae. (Perhaps it’s just part of their narcissism that makes them forget we steal their women.) Just yesterday, the latest edition of the UNC alumni association magazine, The Carolina Review, was sent to some of our homes. (Thanks!)

In it is a surprisingly somewhat fair assessment of the most recent developments in Chapel Hill surrounding UNC’s African and Afro-American Studies curriculum (AAS) and that department’s connection to academic fraud involving UNC athletes. The piece mostly recaps the press releases. It by no means blazes any trails. That’s certainly understandable since this is, well, the official UNC alumni association publication.

There is, however, a most interesting tidbit of information provided therein that SFN has yet to see elsewhere despite what has become an onslaught of media coverage in recent days and weeks. The latest hit coming from NBC.

Specifically, the Carolina Alumni Review points out that Dr. Nyang’oro, the professor (and department head) at the center of the AAS athletic scandal, was employed by the University as a faculty member in 1988. Nyang’oro became the chair of the curriculum at issue in 1992. The Carolina Alumni Review also points out that Nyang’oro was the *first* and *only* department head.

As a matter of deduction, that means that African American Studies as a curriculum was created in 1992 when Nyang’oro was designated the first and only chair.

In 1992-1993, the University of North Carolina basketball team won the NCAA Men’s Basketball National Championship in New Orleans finishing the year with an impressive 34-4 record.

UNC’s roster for the 1992-1993 team can be viewed here. However, below is a clip from that link for your convenience:

Roster
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Scott Cherry Sr 6-4 G
George Lynch Sr 6-7 F *
Henrik Rodl Sr 6-7 F/G
Travis Stephenson Sr 6-6 F
Matt Wenstrom Sr 7-1 C
Eric Montross Jr 7-0 C *
Derrick Phelps Jr 6-4 G *
Brian Reese Jr 6-6 F *
Kevin Salvadori Jr 7-0 F
Pat Sullivan Jr 6-8 F
Pearce Landry So 6-5 G
Donald Williams So 6-3 G *
Dante Calabria Fr 6-4 G
Larry Davis Fr 6-1 G
Ed Geth Fr 6-9 F

As you will see, the starting line up for the 1993 National Champion Tar Heels consisted of George Lynch, Brian Reese, Donald Williams, Derrick Phelps, and Eric Montross.

Before we move forward, a disclaimer: In the not-so-distant past, SFN was able to peruse old UNC Basketball Media Guides. For some reason we are having trouble relocating those online. But at that point, we were able to determine from UNC’s own publications the curriculum/majors of many of the former UNC basketball players.

The curriculum majors/minors for that group based on our best collected information and belief are as follows:


Lynch (Sr): African American Studies
Reese (Jr): Communications (minor in African American Studies)
D. Williams (So): African American Studies
Phelps (Jr): African American Studies
Montross (Jr): Communications

It seems worth pointing out that in the first year a curriculum for African American Studies existed at UNC (1992) 4 of 5 members of the starting lineup of the National Championship Basketball team immediately majored/minored in the brand new curriculum with Dr. Nyang’oro at the helm. In just one year, an almost entire team happened to migrate to one particular, and brand new, curriculum?

Amazing.

Perhaps even more amazing is that some of these players were juniors and seniors when the curriculum was created!

There are so many side stories to this “coincidence.”

1) Roy Williams was in Kansas for the 1992/1993 season and for a decade thereafter.
2) Donald Williams was an NC State commitment only to finally sign with Dean Smith and the Tar Heels.
3) Not long thereafter Jerry Stackhouse, a lifelong Wolfpack fan, also signed with UNC.
4) Stackhouse, brace yourself, also purportedly majored in African American Studies.

So many questions remain in light of The Big Lead and other national outlets starting to put pressure on the basketball program’s connection to AAS. If you haven’t read the story by the Big Lead linked above, you should immediately. It raises some great points and great questions, but does it even encompass the entire picture given the information above?

Just starting from 2003-04 the Big Lead provides this tidbit and data:

So in 2009, a year before the scandal went public, the academic adviser to the basketball team – a team which had a history of players who majored in African and Afro-American Studies – left UNC, as did a longtime administrator in that department. Since the departures of Walden and Crowder, records obtained by the News & Observer (click here for the UNC academic info PDF) show a dramatic drop in athletes majoring in African and Afro-American Studies. We specifically looked at the basketball team’s numbers in that major from when Roy Williams took over in 2003-2004, and here are the numbers we found (African & Afro-American majors/players who had chosen a major):

2003-04 AA 5/13
2004-05 AA 7/13 < —- Won NCAA title.
2005-06 AA 3/11
2006-07 AA 3/15
2007-08 AA 2/12
2008-09 AA 1/16 2009-10 AA 0/10
2010-11 AA 0/8
2011-12 AA 0/9

There is little doubt to the objective observer that many questions remain unanswered. The scope of the investigation perhaps cannot be broad enough to truly get to the bottom of the questions that linger surrounding the UNC athletic department.

To leave you with just a few to chew on:

- Was AAS created at UNC specifically for basketball players?

- Was UNC tipped off that people were starting to make that connection?

- How many recruits did UNC lure away from other schools with promises of easy degrees in the newly created AAS curriculum after its creation under Nyang’oro in 1992?

- Is it fair to just point a finger at Roy Williams or does academic fraud in the athletic department and University as a whole long predate his arrival?

- Did Butch Davis take the fall for a system that existed long before he, too, arrived in Chapel Hill?

- If it worked so long for basketball, why not football? (There’s a cliche about a secret and three people… it’s anecdotal, but it’s likely applicable to a secret and 5 people versus a secret and 75 people.)

- Can the true breadth of the competitive advantage be even comprehended when a coach enters a recruit’s home and speaks of ridiculously over-inflated graduation rates to a superstar’s parents eagerly wanting to hear that “Junior” will earn a degree before he suffers a blown knee?

- Now that there is an immediate trend away from AAS by UNC athletes, or at least there was in anticipation of the NCAA investigation as pointed out above, is communications the degree of choice?

- Prior to the creation of AAS, was communications the degree of choice for UNC athletes? If so, why then and why a return to that now?

The questions linger, and for now no one at UNC seems willing to open up and address them.

The 216 decision lingers, and there seems to be no slowing down to this story anytime soon.

Stay tuned, Wolfpack fans. All those years of suffering through intolerable rhetoric from holier-than-though UNC fans and friends seem poised to be repaid… and some.



28 posted on 08/15/2012 12:39:02 PM PDT by Bratch
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I have always wondered why universities don’t just give up the farce that the athletes are university students.


29 posted on 08/15/2012 12:39:42 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Perdogg

Looks like it a broader problem than just the football team. UNC fans wish it wasn’t so...

As a State fan, I can only say “karma is a b**** ain’t it?”

Go Pack!


30 posted on 08/15/2012 12:41:40 PM PDT by AskNotReceiveNot
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To: Bratch

I don’t understand what Roy Williams being “in Kansas for the 1992/1993 season and for a decade thereafter” has to do with anything. Williams was at Kansas starting in 1989.


31 posted on 08/15/2012 12:45:44 PM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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To: Perdogg

One would think that with their football players taking fake classes for fake grades they would turn in better results on the field. UNC isn’t exactly a football powerhouse.


32 posted on 08/15/2012 12:46:24 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: kevkrom

Not only that but the person is saying “Before you condemn the armed bank robber, recall you once took a dollar out of the tip jar so you could afford that 6-pack...”


33 posted on 08/15/2012 12:52:31 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (OWS = The Great American Snivel War)
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To: AskNotReceiveNot

I am not only a UNC fan, but a UNC and NCSU graduate. I know how much NC State fans envy the UNC basketball program.


34 posted on 08/15/2012 12:53:19 PM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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To: USNBandit

They were asking for trouble when they hired an ex-Miami Hurricanes coach.


35 posted on 08/15/2012 1:05:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Perdogg

The only thing I can figure out is that he is saying the program was set up while Roy was elsewhere and since he’s been on campus, and that AFTER the 2005 Championship season, participation in the classes have steadily declined.

If course, he also implies the decreasing participation could be tied to the fact that UNC became aware the AA program had become toxic.

So who knows?


36 posted on 08/15/2012 1:07:31 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: dfwgator

I brought up this point when he was hired.


37 posted on 08/15/2012 1:08:10 PM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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Since 2001? Don’t make me laugh. This scam was going on when I attended UMass in the 60s. Football heroes somehow never seemed to have to go to class or do homework, but they all got good grades as Phys Ed majors. They had their own Animal House, Kappa Sig, which threw a 24/7 party that often spilled out and ran amok into my dorm, neighboring Gorman House, when the lumbering drunken animals threw beer at us, smashed-out window screens, and roughed-up some smaller kids just for yuks. I have no reason to believe it ever stopped.


38 posted on 08/15/2012 1:10:05 PM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Bratch

There were also some basketball players who ended up in medical and dental school.


39 posted on 08/15/2012 1:11:52 PM PDT by Perdogg (It's time to come together for America)
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To: kcvl

40 posted on 08/15/2012 1:15:05 PM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: pabianice

I have been called worse...

I really don’t care any longer what I’m called. If that is the best they can do so be it. They have no ideas, no fixes, nothing but name calling. Fine by me...


41 posted on 08/15/2012 1:23:38 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: KingOfVagabonds
How many athletes were given free grades from the Department of African and Afro-American Studies? We don't know.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say...

Pretty much all of them?
42 posted on 08/15/2012 1:27:06 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: kevkrom
"In two of the classes, the sole enrollee was a basketball player."

He passed. Was graded on the curve.

43 posted on 08/15/2012 1:30:15 PM PDT by eCSMaster ('Nancy Pelosi is a DINGBAT.' - Gov. Sarah Palin)
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To: pabianice

I finished Tebow’s book this summer, and while I admire him as a fine Christian gentleman, he makes it pretty clear that he majored in football and academics were something you needed to do to stay in the program.


44 posted on 08/15/2012 1:32:17 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: KingOfVagabonds

Good, another Affirmative Action scam gone public, and especially satisfying in such a Leftist haven as NC.

Now let’s have some real investigative reporting and see how that klutz, Obama, wound up at Harvard, and as head of the Harvard Law Review when he never wrote anything. Then we’ll really see the seedy side of Affirmative Action and its awful consequences for our country....far worse than a crooked sports program in NC.


45 posted on 08/15/2012 1:32:31 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: kevkrom
From the article

UNC records showed "basketball players had also enrolled. In two of the classes, the sole enrollee was a basketball player."

Wonder how much the Professor(s) got paid to 'Teach' those classes?
(I bet NC taxpayers would want to know)

46 posted on 08/15/2012 1:39:55 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: KingOfVagabonds

NOTE TO SELF: Don’t consider UNC graduates for future employment opportunities. They obviously don’t take their program seriously.


47 posted on 08/15/2012 1:56:17 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: libertarian27

So if NC gets sanctioned and their wins erased from the books looks like the year they beat Michigan in the Championship is a real mess.

FWIW Michigan had their records erased because of the Fab Five mess several years ago.


48 posted on 08/15/2012 2:02:52 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: Perdogg
"As a UNC grad...is embarressing."

The Kenyan must go.

49 posted on 08/15/2012 2:41:27 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: KingOfVagabonds

Can anyone be surprised that this is happening at our colleges and universities—probably at all of them in some form or another? Can anyone place any confidence in the academic standards that are required and supposedly monitored by the NCAA? The whole thing is a facade. How about this for an example: a kid is unable to achieve the minimum GPA in high school and/or can’t make the minimum score required on the ACT/SAT. So he/she then go to a community college or a junior college for two years, miraculously become scholars, and are then admitted to a university—still without the minimum ACT/SAT score having been achieved. Does anyone believe that they suddenly began doing university type work? Dream on!

Now that they have been admitted into the university though very ill equipped to cope academically, the challenge to the university and the coaches is to keep them eligible no matter what. They must because there are extremely big bucks riding on the outcome of that challenge.

IMHO there are two simple ways to put a damper (not a complete fix though) on the insanity now dubbed college athletics. Every state legislature in this union should pass legislation that would prohibit any employee of the athletic departments in their respective states from earning more money than the president of said university or college. There is not a single college coach earning seven figures that would not do the job for six figures. Why? Because most all of them could not earn that much money in any other endeavor that they undertook.

Secondly, eliminate all recruiting—period. If a kid wants to play athletics, then he/she shops around for a university that has a need for their talent. With the technology available today, an athlete can expose untold numbers of coaches to their athletic ability with the click of a computer mouse. No need for the coaches to be running all over the country kissing 18 year old asses and making promises to parents that they know will never happen.

Another mystery is how the moms of kids coming out of broken homes and economically disadvantaged neighborhoods can seem to travel from one side of the country to the other to watch junior play his game. Also, junior many times seems to be able to afford an automobile that costs more than moms house. Go figure. And the NCAA seems to be immune to the obvious.


50 posted on 08/15/2012 2:54:00 PM PDT by Saltmeat
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