Skip to comments.Advice Regarding Akin (honey vs vinegar)
Posted on 08/22/2012 7:49:08 AM PDT by Kolath
My advice, for what it's worth, to conservatives and Republicans desperate to see Todd Akin off the ballot in Missouri: You've made your point. You've bewailed and denounced and threatened. Now it's time to hearken to the words of Lincoln, in his great Temperance Address, delivered on Washington's birthday in 1842 in Springfield, Illinois, addressing the fervent and fervid temperance advocates of his timebut also the fervent and fervid of all times:
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Akin pulled a really stupid mistake. He apologized. He should withdraw as soon as that idiot D (Hank Johnson) who worried about Guam tipping over quits because of his stupidity. And there are so many more examples of stupid statements by Ds.
It would seem that these days politics is not about persuasion but about bullying. More and more we don’t say, “I disagree” with someone. We call them an idiot or a moron. Maybe the point is to turn as many voters as possible off so that the extremes can own the stage. I don’t know.
This assumes a reasonable man. Akin is not. He is deeply delusional.
Sorry, but a mistake is Biden calling this the 20th Century. The use of "legitimate" rape, was a mistake. I'm sure he meant "actual" rape (as opposed to, perhaps, statutory rape.) So far, I'm with you. But throwing in a ridiculous medical opinion that a woman who is raped somehow shuts down her reproductive system to avoid pregnancy is an espousal of a belief that is clearly erroneous. Furthermore, it plays right into the left's phony attacks about the right's war on women. He needs to go.
Unfortunately, this entire episode has taken every ones eyes off the prize. That being, the defeat of Mother McCaskill and her co-conspirator, the Imposter from Mombasa.
It's only because the GOP is flooding their collective Depends about what the media will think of them that this is an issue at all.
Exactly. Akin is living in his own delusional world. Bet he actually thinks the republic can’t survive without him. We somehow muddled along after the death of George Washington, etc., but without the wisdom of Akin....
Exhibit A of why normal citizens hate politicians.
All I know is that I oppose abortion no matter how ham handed I state it and I will never back down from the truth that matters.
It is worth absolutely nothing, so...don't bother.
I'm tired of this argument already. The MSM is going to cover for Biden and every other lib who says something stupid. The sooner we recognize that and deal with it, the better. Whining about it, or demanding "fairness" isn't going to solve a thing.
This is Agincourt. We are outnumbered and out-armored, but we do have the longbow. The sooner we stop crying about the enemy's advantages, start adapting our tactics to our strengths, exploit our enemy's weaknesses and more carefully choose the terrain on which we fight, the better off we'll be.
Akin, wielding a pocket knife and wearing little more than an "I'm with stupid" T-Shirt, charged headlong into a rank of mounted men-at-arms. He's toast. We need to write him off and fight smarter than he did.
At least he didn’t rape a 17 year old boy like that one D-bag democrat Representative who is in office right now.
Akin is a good man and is surrounded by good people —
I know this: I’ve been persuaded more by people who came along side me and spoken to me kindly than by bullies who threatened me.
Kristol isn’t giving bad advice.
Akin is a good man and is surrounded by good people True!
He made it through the primary with help from the left and an open primary that allowed Democrat crossover voting. Open primaries are an invitation to political mischief.
If I may offer a small bit of advice to Republicans and conservatives in Missouri, if Akin stays vote for him. If Akin goes, vote for whomever takes his place. Don’t split your ticket, and don’t self-destruct. This is not a year that any of us can afford to cut off our nose to spite our face. This is, I believe, the most critical election in the history of this nation, and we can’t afford to send a complete moron like Claire McCaskill back to Obama’s Washington, even if it means replacing her with someone who is so passionate about saving human life he thinks the stress caused by rape would cause a woman’s reproductive system to shut down. And his use of the word “legitimate,” ...sheeeesh, unbelievable, but still no reason for the Republican Party to turn up the heat while sitting in the frying pan.
Most publically advising Akin to withdraw have said their piece and now are moving on and not remaining in the dem’s game plan of diversion and smear.
The man made amends and stood his ground, something that has long been needed to be SOP within the GOP. No conservative, regardless of the degree, is ever going to win over dems sympathy or friendship. its high time everyone recognize that fact.
Today it seems those still ranting against Akin are mostly here on FR. Surprised? NO!
There are 15 other Senate seats up for grabs. How are they doing???
That breaks it down why his comment was so bad.
What makes it even worse is that it was totally and absolutely unneccesary to make such a comment. It served NO PURPOSE, doesn’t help the pro-Life cause, instead it hurts the cause.
Those who are pro-Life are hurting the cause by supporting this man. Yes, I know he recanted about biology claim as well. But the damage is done and as a very pro-Life person I wasn’t convinced. Seemed like he was just saving his skin.
At best, he comes across as a buffoon with a big mouth. How many more of those do we need in Congress.
At worst, he comes across as a witch hunter ... if the woman is pregnant, then she must not have been “legitimately” raped.
“The use of “legitimate” rape, was a mistake. I’m sure he meant “actual” rape (as opposed to, perhaps, statutory rape.)”
My take on what he was trying to convey:
“Legitimate rape”: Someone who forcibly performs intimate relations with an unwilling participant.
“Illegitimate rape”: Some bimbo who lays down, spreads her legs, has consensual intimate relations, gets pregnant then CLAIMS rape in order to get a free abortion.
You are right about that.
“Exactly. Akin is living in his own delusional world.”
The comment Akin said about “the whole thing shuts down”:
He was actually using information from some doctor who claims that that is the case. It wasn’t simply Akin’s opinion.
True that “the whole thing shuts down”? I have no idea. Just informing you. Don’t shoot the messenger. :-)
There was a post about it yesterday on another of the many Akin threads.
“legitimate, ...sheeeesh, unbelievable,”
Please see Post # 25.
It’s amazing to me how all you people who didn’t even know Todd Akin’s name 2 days ago now know him so well that they can comment on his mental capability, his “delusions”, his irrationality...... you know what you guys, I lived in his district for a long time and I know him very well. Here’s who he is:
He is a God-loving, God-fearing strong conservative who always votes his values. He is active in the Homeschool community and he is a pro-life hero. In other words.... he is exactly what we as Conservatives want.....he ain’t no RINO.
He made a big mistake by not having a pat answer prepared ahead of time for the question that he had to know that every single liberal journalist/commentator was going to ask. This is inexcusable.... all he had to do to beat Claire McCaskill was to be breathing and not screw up.
I love Todd.... I voted for him. In my mind he needs to step down because the media (the same media who won’t let the voters know that BO voted “present” rather than support the “Born Alive Infant Act” in Illinois) will not let this go and they’ll mischaracterize this every which way from Sunday in order to make him look evil.
As far as you amateur psychologists out there, ease up on him.... he still has time to do the right thing.
You are being pragmatic, which is the ONLY way to look at this. though there are many here who prefer to be idealistic, and that just gets you SQUAT as far as achieving conservative goals. i am sick to death of moans about the DOUBLE STANDARD. it is a fact of LIFE, put on your big girl/boy pants and just DEAL with it. we have to be bigger, faster, stronger and smarter bc that’s what it means to be a conservative.
“I would like to hear him state WHY he thought it to be true”
He was using the information he got from a doctor who holds the opinion/theory that a female’s reproductive system does shut down during rape.
Does a female’s reproductive system shut down during rape? I have no idea. Just trying to answer your question. The post about the doctor was on one of the Akin threads yesterday.
That was my take on what Akin meant by “legitimate,” but still..., its a dark, twisting, muddy road to take when political enemies from all sides have mined the way.
The problem is the whole GOP having a nationwide case of the hysterical vapours when
(1) that only magnifies a one-day story into a multi-week story and
(2) what Akin said would change only a tiny handful of votes. Nearly everyone who would be offended by his comment is a diehard McCaskill/Obama voter already.
Thanks — good site.
Akin still up 47% to 44%
And looks like a good chance of picking up 6 other seats.
Don't think so, unless all of the people offended here on FR are diehard McCaskill/Obama voters. What he said was so offensive, particularly the part about female reproductive defense mechanisms that he is radioactive. He has been repudiated by a wide spectrum of Republican spokespersons, cut off from national funding and asked not to attend the Republican National Convention. He is effectively running an insurgent campaign independent of the Republican party and is being used by the Democrats to hurt not only his own Senatorial race, but also other races and the chance to take the Senate and revive the Democrat War on Women meme.
Illegitimate rape: Some bimbo who lays down, spreads her legs, has consensual intimate relations, gets pregnant then CLAIMS rape in order to get a free abortion.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
And, if you extend Akin's analysis--that the reproductive system shuts down after a (legitimate) rape--the inference is that pregnant women who claim to have been raped are lying, because if they really had been raped, they couldn't get pregnant. It's an insult to women, an insult to medical science, and an insult to our collective intelligence.
Bottom line: the answer to the left's loaded question on abortion to us on the pro-life side of "Well, what about in the case of rape?" should not be, "Women who get raped don't get pregnant."
“And, if you extend Akin’s analysis—that the reproductive system shuts down after a (legitimate) rape—the inference is that pregnant women who claim to have been raped are lying, because if they really had been raped, they couldn’t get pregnant. It’s an insult to women, an insult to medical science, and an insult to our collective intelligence.
Bottom line: the answer to the left’s loaded question on abortion to us on the pro-life side of “Well, what about in the case of rape?” should not be, “Women who get raped don’t get pregnant.””
Everything you say is true but Akin is not ‘delusional’. He was using information from some doctor who claims that the female reproductive system shuts down during rape. True? I have no idea but it wasn’t Akin’s ‘delusional’ opinion.
There was a post on one of the Akin threads yesterday that cited the doctor’s name.
“Here’s a website started by children born out of rape. Itappears to be legit, at least to me.”
I’m not a doctor. It just seems to me that if the egg is there where it is supposed to be during ovulation, then BINGO! It is extremely difficult for me to believe that a female’s system ‘shuts down’ during rape. I was merely sharing information from yesterday’s thread. :-)
In discussing political positions one can have disagreements and still maintain a civil discourse. Akin's blunder wasn't one of policy however, it was one of biology where the facts are clear. Women cannot somehow prevent themselves from getting pregnant if they are raped. Legitimately raped or otherwise.
Since Akin believes they can, he is obviously an idiot or moron. It's true one can be civil in pointing it out, but the point must be made. He is not remotely qualified to represent anyone in congress.
Actually if an understanding of science and biology is a prerequisite for holding a position in Congress I think most of them should be turned out. Yeah, he was wrong, but most people in this country are woefully uneducated about those subjects. I’m a former biology teacher and I hear all kinds of silly things from people. Your comment that it makes him not “remotely qualified” seems quite over the top to me. I think what makes someone not “remotely qualified” is a desire to hand out tax dollars to buy votes or a belief that the government should run every aspect of our lives, or that the Federal government can force me to buy health insurance, etc. But maybe that’s just me.
They should. There are, sadly, more morons in congress than should be possible, but come on. Akin doesn't even know how babies are made. You have to admit, that is pretty dumb.
I’m sure he knows how they are made. I’m sure he heard this from someone he trusts. Lots and lots of people don’t know much about the mechanics of the human body. I used to teach sex ed as well as biology (it was part of the health curriculum). The amount of ignorance was astounding. This IS a little out there, but if your world view is against abortion and someone (I bet a doctor) tells you something like this with some sort of sciencey sounding explanation, you may think, “sure, why not.” Especially if you don’t know a lot about the subject.
I am NOT saying it’s good science. I’m saying if your tilt was toward wanting to believe that it was harder to get pregnant by rape and someone you trusted told you some mechanism that made it so, you might buy it. That’s all. This does not make him a moron. I don’t know if he is one or not. It’s hard for me to say if it’s dumb or not because as I said I have a background in this stuff, so I hate to gauge someone based on what I know. It’s just hard to judge someone based on our own knowledge base. I don’t know much about him.
But I DO know that the left is lower than low and uses underhanded tactics and we have got to start standing up to them or we will lose every single time. That’s all. And I don’t really want to fight with my fellow conservatives. We need to be united.
He’s been representing me for years and has been the prototype for what people on this website want..... a conservative first, Republican second representative.
There are doctors that say the trauma and stress that a woman undergoes during a forcible rape can do exactly what Akin said. He never said that women “can somehow prevent themselves from getting pregnant”.
His inartful use of words has cost him big time.... but stop with the denigration. He’s a good man who screwed up.
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