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Texas high school to open $60M football stadium
AP ^ | August 30, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 08/30/2012 1:56:51 PM PDT by C19fan

Call it the palace of high school football: A gleaming $60 million facility with seats for 18,000 roaring fans, a 38-foot-wide high-definition video screen, corporate sponsors and a towering upper deck. Welcome to the new home of Eagles Football. As school districts across the country struggle to retain teachers, replace outdated textbooks and keep class sizes from ballooning, the wealthy, burgeoning Dallas suburb of Allen is preparing to christen its new stadium with a sold-out Friday night matchup against defending state champions Southlake Carroll.

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To: 1rudeboy

That’s a separate point and also valid.
I don’t know what the TX State Constitution says on such matters.

But I do know that the US Constitution doesn’t have anything in there about subsidizing High School football stadiums.


101 posted on 08/30/2012 5:26:52 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: dfwgator
Remember the last Dallas Super Bowl?

Seems like the GB packers trained in the Southlake Carroll HS stadium, and thought that it was a better facility than what they trained in.

102 posted on 08/30/2012 5:30:59 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: 1rudeboy
“I am simply amused by ostensible conservatives supporting a facility that the authorities themselves admit they cannot fund.”

I find it amusing that an “ostensible” conservative would have any problem with local folks voting to fund whatever they want. I can assure you ten years from now the good local Texans are much more likely to pass another bond issue to improve the facility than cry about “excesive” funding Texans are like that.

I think you are a bit bored with nothing to watch on the tube tonight as I cant believe any conservative would really care how local taxpayers vote to spend their own money...a lib on the other hand would have plenty of problems with it...

103 posted on 08/30/2012 5:34:30 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: 1rudeboy
You said this:

a facility that the authorities themselves admit they cannot fund.

They said this:

"Our intention is not to recoup the money it cost to build the stadium,"... Carroll said. "It's not practical to say we'll get that money back. (But) the revenue we receive from the stadium will far exceed the cost of operating it." Carroll said extra revenue from stadium operations will go into the district general fund.

That they will not recoup the costs of the stadium, I agreed with you they said that, you don't have to repost it again. I said that you are wrong that they don't believe they can fund the running of the stadium, which is not what they said. They believe they will be able to do that. The 60 million will not be recouped, at least in any timeframe that anyone normally investing would expect it to come back in, but it will provide some non-monetary benefits to the community and those benefits will extend beyond just those on the Football team.
104 posted on 08/30/2012 5:37:28 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: montanajoe
...a lib on the other hand would have plenty of problems with it....

I'll remember that, in case you and I ever find ourselves discussing "stimulus" packages. /s

105 posted on 08/30/2012 5:52:11 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: freedumb2003
As anew Texan, may I ask one question:

WHY?

As Louis Armstrong once said when someone asked him to describe Jazz "If you have to ask, you'll never understand the answer."

106 posted on 08/30/2012 5:58:31 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 ("You can either limit growth or limit government. We choose to limit government." Paul Ryan.)
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To: Leo58; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Re: That’s what I call having your priorities in order.

Of course, we built a state-of-the-art breweries for both fine spirits and beer... before we turned the first spade of dirt on Eagle Stadium.

Now, that is having your priorities in order... isn't it?

Sure is, Bendy... sure is!

When I look down from space, Bend, I can see both... but then again, I may be seeing double as Happy Hour up here is an all day affair--

What, Bender... no state-of-the-art shooting range?

Of course, they have a shooting and skeet range, Clint... Bendy had both built under the stadium parking lot.

Thanks, Sarah, now... you want another beer?

Bendy, here in Spain they combine a winery, Nunnary and bull fighting ring... that you can get do just about anything there just as long as it is done in black & white.

I was going to film my next black & white master piece, Nuns there, Michael Caine in Spain, but Google posted me... in color. That destroyed all my creditability... as an authentic 'Auteur' film director!

Here to that new high school library... Bend!

Yeah, Dean, but before we build that it we need to build a fine cigar factory... complete with a bevy 18-year old virgins to roll the Churchills and Gran Coronas on their well toned, tanned thighs.

107 posted on 08/30/2012 5:59:13 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: 1rudeboy

“The school district decided to build it in a down economy, knowing full well it will never recoup the costs”

That’s fine if that’s what the local taxpayers want to take out of their own personal funds. Anyone is free to invest their own personal money into a losing investment if they so wish. They voted on it at the LOCAL level. That’s SMALL GOVERNMENT in action.

But I would bet that’s not the whole story and other people are subsidizing this who didn’t get a chance to vote on it. I’ll keep digging.


108 posted on 08/30/2012 6:01:13 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne

I wouldn’t worry too much about it . . . no one’s minds will be changed (nor do I care if they are not). I simply wanted to see if there are any fiscal conservatives among Texas HS football fans.


109 posted on 08/30/2012 6:04:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
"wasteful government spending"

This was a LOCAL decision, affecting the LOCAL voters and their school. As far as I'm concerned, LOCAL elections take care of those who WASTE tax dollars from LOCAL people....they're not spending the tax dollars of people who are not involved/don't live there.

I have been to MANY Southern Football events, and those people LIVE for it.

I'm not impressed with wimpy supposed-sports like soccer, or other unpopular festivities masquerading as "sports".

110 posted on 08/30/2012 6:13:31 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: traditional1
...they're not spending the tax dollars of people who are not involved/don't live there.
Valid point, even if you must be an optimist to believe it.

I have been to MANY Southern Football events, and those people LIVE for it.
Complete non-sequitur.

I'm not impressed with wimpy supposed-sports like soccer, or other unpopular festivities masquerading as "sports".
Even worse of one.

111 posted on 08/30/2012 6:19:12 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: C19fan

Here we go:

The city [of Allen] is applying for a federal grant to develop transit strategies to get people from elsewhere to their retail and hotel jobs. (other stuff in the requests for Federal grants)

http://www.cityofallen.org/DocumentCenter/Home/View/1707


112 posted on 08/30/2012 6:41:02 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: 1rudeboy

You can bet if the local people voted to tax themselves to build bike trails and bike lanes or a bus system, the tea party small government types would be apoplectic about it. Nevermind that government on the city or county level is just about as “small government” as you can get.


113 posted on 08/30/2012 6:45:24 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: okie01
Olney and Burkburnett met and the officiating was so bad the Burk fans attacked the officials after the game. Burk was prohibited from playing a high school the next year..1962 so they played a Junior College schedule using the open spots on the JC schedules, and went undefeated.

We played Lawton Eisenhower, Altus, and Duncan before entering into the district with Brownwood, Stephenville, Iowa Park, and Vernon. You cannot tell me the Okie boys don't play just as hard. Our coach had the longest winning streak in Oklahoma HS football at Lindsay back in the early 60's.

114 posted on 08/30/2012 7:27:42 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: cdga5for4
I played Lacrosse for the University of Tennessee but it was unfunded by the school. I played Texas HS football in the 60’s and when I went to UTK the Lacrosse Team recruited me. I loved playing with sticks and in shorts and being able to knock the bejesus out of folks.
115 posted on 08/30/2012 7:32:46 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: ronnyquest
What business does a high school have using taxpayer funds for this?

The taxpayers approved it.

116 posted on 08/30/2012 7:36:17 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: shadeaud

What is an ISD?


117 posted on 08/30/2012 8:01:47 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: vetvetdoug
You cannot tell me the Okie boys don't play just as hard.

I wouldn't. I was one of them. Up in northern Oklahoma in the fifties. Class C it was at the time.

And, during an away game, you could've laid an artillery barrage on downtown Medford...and hit nobody.

I imagine it was much the same at Burkburnett.

118 posted on 08/30/2012 8:32:05 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: huldah1776

ISD=Independent School District.


119 posted on 08/30/2012 11:56:32 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: Bender2
Ain't no ones bidness but theirs Texans love their football
Let Texans be Texans I say.

Now about those free tickets Bend...

120 posted on 08/31/2012 4:39:11 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: jessduntno

“What’s wrong with the people in an area spending money on football, if it’s theirs?”

Nothing at all. If anything they provide a public service - folks who don’t want their local tax dollars flushed down the toilet will stay far away.


121 posted on 08/31/2012 5:16:17 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Re: Now about... those free tickets Bend

Put on some clothes... big!

And the ticket are in the mail... along with some of my Jewish friends and Obama's kept promises to anyone besides unions or folks who gave his campaign big money--

122 posted on 08/31/2012 5:17:17 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: huldah1776
Re: What is an ISD?

Independent School District

123 posted on 08/31/2012 5:26:39 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Lorianne
You can bet if the local people voted to tax themselves to build bike trails and bike lanes or a bus system, the tea party small government types would be apoplectic about it.

Even at half the price.

124 posted on 08/31/2012 5:38:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Well, no. Being against federal matching grants would fit with the tea party small government mantra.

But you can bet if the federal matching funds are for roads or other things they want, there will be not a wimper about “small government”.

That’s what is happening in Allen too. I posted above about Federal grants they are applying for.


125 posted on 08/31/2012 7:45:32 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Drew68

Sort of. The election was not well publisized. It was held during at an off-cycle date, knowing full well turn out would be low. Iirc turn out was approximately 2000 voters, in other words low single digits.

The skrewl board new exactly what they were doing. Those who knew of the election for the most part knew exactly they were demanding the rest of the tax subsidize their bread and circuses.


126 posted on 08/31/2012 7:54:45 AM PDT by Professional Engineer
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To: C19fan

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=round+rock+football+stadium&FORM=HDRSC2


127 posted on 08/31/2012 8:00:58 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (RINO season is open. No limit. Make them extinct.)
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To: traditional1
It’s not just Texas, but ALL over the South

Nope, I have lived outside Texas in the south, and in Texas. There is a difference. There is a reason Friday Night Lights was based here.

128 posted on 08/31/2012 8:05:31 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: C19fan

Trust me... I’m still shaking my head, too. I live in Allen and pay taxes here. When I drive by that thing, I wonder how in the world this could have happened.

Kind of like the hopey/changy thing, I guess.


129 posted on 08/31/2012 10:31:05 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: C19fan

I live in Texas and I think this is insane


130 posted on 10/09/2012 11:41:01 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: jessduntno

The money belongs to the taxpayers, the school district spent it, it doesn’t belong to government


131 posted on 10/09/2012 11:42:46 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: basil

How long will it take for them to make $60 MILLION with a high school stadium?


132 posted on 10/09/2012 11:43:42 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: cdga5for4

Go SU!

Sorry, as a Syracuse fan, alumni, married to a lacrosse player I must say this every time Lacrosse is mentioned!


133 posted on 10/10/2012 1:18:23 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: traditional1
My husband played lacrosse, brother football. My brother wished our HS had offered lacrosse because he thinks it's like “football with weapons”. There's a lot of hitting, speed and athleticism. My daughter wouldn't play like dad wanted her to because in women's lacrosse there's no hitting allowed! I love football more then lacrosse, but even Jim Brown at Syracuse, who played both lacrosse and obviously football, said he liked lacrosse better and it took more skill. It is said at Syracuse that Jim Brown was one of the best lacrosse players of all time. There's obviously not much footage but we've seen him playing football, I'd love to find some video of his lacrosse days!
134 posted on 10/10/2012 1:30:59 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Lorianne

Just so you know, the City of Allen is NOT the same thing as Allen ISD. Allen ISD has it’s own board of directors and does NOT take orders from the City Council or the Mayor or City Manager (depending on the type of government which exists).

So, the City of Allen requesting grants has NOTHING to do with Allen ISD.


135 posted on 10/10/2012 2:01:33 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Milton Miteybad

Thanks for the background. My only thought is that it is way too hot to wear full FB gear in Texas, but I’m a northerner so what do I know.


136 posted on 10/10/2012 2:15:32 AM PDT by gr8eman (Ron Swanson for President!)
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To: traditional1

“It’s seen as a man-thing; as opposed to limp-wristed soccer up North, where non-athletes can “compete” in a game (not really a sport for athletes or men).”

We have hockey up here; it makes football look like a bunch of men using any pretense to repeatedly hug each other...


137 posted on 10/10/2012 2:23:52 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: C19fan

I lived in Allen, Texas around 17 years ago when my son was starting Kindergarten. They said they didn’t have the money for a Kindergarten teacher, but had the money to lay astroturf in the stadium and hire 18 more coaches. When it hit the Dallas Morning News and the local television news, they finally came up with the money for my son to have a teacher. Allen is all about football.


138 posted on 10/10/2012 2:29:31 AM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: C19fan

I’d also like to add that my eldest son played on that astroturf for the Eagles that year. When we registered him, his jaw fell to the floor when he was asked by the pretty lady doing his schedule, “Was you in health class?” He took all the honors courses they had, none of which was near the level of his regular courses in another district. My son never had to crack a book that year and claimed education in Allen to be a joke. Homeschooling my younger children became the only answer.


139 posted on 10/10/2012 2:51:11 AM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: cdga5for4
"Lacrosse is third in attendance in the NCAA behind football and basketball. It’s also the fastest growing sport in America."

Love me LAX here in West Islip on Long Island (for those that follow HS LAX...they know our Lions....)....

One of the most exciting sports there is....hard hitting with lot's of speed and finess....

As for these facilities....if the they voted for it...so be it....don't understand why...although I do understand the passion....Friday Night lights...If I lived in TX...I'd be living it too....that be real Americana....!
140 posted on 10/10/2012 3:36:16 AM PDT by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: tpmintx

That stadium is larger than the one at my college alma mater and we’ve got an FCS (Division I-AA) championship under our belts. I know high school football is the second-biggest religious denomination in Texas behind Southern Baptist (and I’m not so sure it’s in second anymore) but a $60 million stadium seems insane, especially if it’s being funded with other school districts’ property tax money.

}:-)4


141 posted on 10/10/2012 4:13:01 AM PDT by Moose4 (...and walk away.)
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To: dfwgator
And of course now Plano is going to want one just like it, then Southlake, and on and on...

Plano already has a stadium, behind Clark High School:

John Clark Stadium

I don't know if it would cost 60 million, but it appears to be adequate.

142 posted on 10/10/2012 5:19:31 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: cardinal4
>>Having lived in Texas, I can tell you that High School Football is a rite..<<

Yep, state and county officials believe they have a “right” to confiscate taxpayer dollars to build multi-million dollar facilities such as this.

Monumental waste of dollars that could go to help our kids compete in math and sciences.

Now, before folks fire back, “it was voter approved bonds”, typically local elections such as this realize very low voter turnout and more times than not are heavily weighted with folks that have skin in the game such as teachers, coaches, developers, county supervisors, administrators.

60 million for a football stadium? Should not have happened in my opinion.

143 posted on 10/10/2012 5:27:39 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777
Allen's HS has roughly 6000 students. To an outsider, it seems ridiculous to pay $60 million. As one who lives in the Metroplex, I see why they did it, and it's not just for football. Other sports such as lacrosse and soccer can use the field, and it will be a venue that draws tournaments throughout the year, generating fees for the district.

Football is the engine that drives the train for so many extracurricular activities: cheerleading, drill team, band (Allen's band is 600+ strong).

I no longer have a problem with wealthier districts acting in their own interest. Allen ISD likely sends 40% (or more) of their local property tax dollars to poorer districts throughout Texas under the Robin Hood plan. The stadium is being funded by local taxpayers.

I've had kids in the Coppell ISD for over 15 years. Half of my property taxes are sent elsewhere. In addition to that, I've shelled out hundreds for "activity fees" for my children to participate in an extracurricular activity. These activities are expensive to run, ask any drill team or band parent.

I don't expect outsiders to understand. Just stay out of our bidness. BTW, Allen ISD is a highly rated school district academically, so they're doing something right.

144 posted on 10/10/2012 5:58:33 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: servantboy777

typically local elections such as this realize very low voter turnout and more times than not are heavily weighted with folks that have skin in the game such as teachers, coaches, developers, county supervisors, administrators.

It seems to me that the voters are searching for an excuse. They are the ones that didn’t vote. Perhaps if they took a vested interest in voting in EVERY election and not just every four years, they could have had a say in the matter. Using the excuse that the teachers, coaches etc were the only ones to vote seems very lame.


145 posted on 10/10/2012 6:17:19 AM PDT by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: kearnyirish2
"We have hockey up here"

Agree....Hockey is a MAN'S sport.

146 posted on 10/10/2012 6:59:20 AM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: C19fan

Dayton High School, TX has 1,400 students and this stadium that seats 8,500:

http://www.texasbob.com/stadium/stadium.php?id=865#.UHWD0C6dQhA


147 posted on 10/10/2012 7:27:17 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: traditional1

No Pro Lacrosse League in the USA? Nobody cares? Well a small niche do.

The indoor game http://www.nll.com/

The outdoor game http://www.majorleaguelacrosse.com/


148 posted on 10/10/2012 8:56:45 AM PDT by xp38
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To: xp38
"No Pro Lacrosse League in the USA? Nobody cares?"

ALMOST nobody cares....a gay following exists, but real men don't play Lacrosse, or soccer, for that matter.

149 posted on 10/10/2012 10:00:01 AM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: C19fan

Collin County residents have the highest medium income in the state and Collin County is one of the 25 wealthiest in the country.

Approximately 7,500 reserved, chair-back seats will be sold on a season basis each year. Officials also are reserving 5,000 seats for fans of the visiting team, 4,000 for Allen students and 1,000 for the school’s band. That leaves a mere 500 for general admission each week.

Click for a slie show of the stadium;
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/Fp7zmjL8SkKx-IX3owvweA/allen-eagle-stadium-to-open-aug-24.htm


150 posted on 10/10/2012 10:09:12 AM PDT by deport
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