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Texas high school to open $60M football stadium
AP ^ | August 30, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 08/30/2012 1:56:51 PM PDT by C19fan

Call it the palace of high school football: A gleaming $60 million facility with seats for 18,000 roaring fans, a 38-foot-wide high-definition video screen, corporate sponsors and a towering upper deck. Welcome to the new home of Eagles Football. As school districts across the country struggle to retain teachers, replace outdated textbooks and keep class sizes from ballooning, the wealthy, burgeoning Dallas suburb of Allen is preparing to christen its new stadium with a sold-out Friday night matchup against defending state champions Southlake Carroll.

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To: C19fan

I wish my college had a $60MM football stadium!


51 posted on 08/30/2012 3:02:48 PM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: C19fan

Having grown up in that area I can say that there is a lot wealth in North Texas and the people don’t mind spending it. The boom in the 1980’s was tremendous and Dallas and its suburbs grew like crazy.

That was one thing I really like about where I live presently - its like you’ve gone back 20 years in time compared to the fast-moving DFW Metroplex.


52 posted on 08/30/2012 3:16:58 PM PDT by Gasshog (Myth the Magic RINO for President! Because the lesser of two evils is still evil?)
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To: 1rudeboy

Texas High School football is everything here! FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS!! Can’t wait!


53 posted on 08/30/2012 3:20:44 PM PDT by NativeTxn
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To: C19fan
Mind you this was built by issuing voter approved bonds not alumni and boosters donating money. I come from an area where high school football means nothing. I understand HS football in Texas is huge but still I am shaking my head.

Standard Operating Procedure in Texas.

Allen is just north of -- and is the 21st century version of -- Plano, where I lived during the 70's and 80's.

When I arrived, Plano was the AA champion; several years of growth later, they were the AAA champion -- for several years. Then, soon after, they were competing for the AAAA state title. Which they won, soon enough.

To maintain that winning streak, the town voted for a bond issue that -- rather than split the town into two high schools -- created two Grade 9-10 schools and one massive Grade 11-12 school. My son graduated in a class of 2,200, for example.

The express purpose was to maintain a winning football team that could challenge for the state title, year after year. And, at the same time, keep the entire community focussed around that school's success.

It worked.

As an aside, the three best football games I ever saw at any level were in the 1977 Plano championship run. Others on this board will recall them: Quarter-finals: Plano 29, at Highland Park, 28 (miraculously coming back from a 0-28 deficit in the 4th quarter); Plano 3, Odessa Permian 0 (at Lubbock, in an icy north wind...the FG was in the first series...and, with the wind, bounced over the goalpost). And, finally, I had the pleasure of seeing the Plano Wildcats win a state title against the Port Neches-Groves Indians ("Hot boudin. Cold cous cous. C'mon Indians, poosh, poosh, poosh!") before 70,000 rabid fans at Cowboys Stadium.

Yeah, H.S. football in Texas is serious business. And a lot of fun. Everybody should experience it.

54 posted on 08/30/2012 3:23:48 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: jessduntno
What’s wrong with the people in an area spending money on football, if it’s theirs?

You make an excellent point.

It's not unlike the taxpayers in Erie County, NY [Buffalo] who, not only built Rich Stadium, but who continue to approve the spending of hundreds of millions more each decade or so to improve it. Democracy rules; but that doesn't mean it's not stupid.

55 posted on 08/30/2012 3:24:28 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Without economic freedom, no other form of freedom can have material meaning.)
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To: NativeTxn

I will insist, I have nothing against HS football, or Texas. I simply am noting that the taxpayers in this jurisdiction “approved” a white elephant.


56 posted on 08/30/2012 3:24:35 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ronnyquest
Soon after, they will begin clamoring that they need donations and new taxes to keep the art and music programs alive. Freakin’ unbelievable.

The football program will have the art and music programs rolling in dough.

It's a fact.

57 posted on 08/30/2012 3:25:30 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
Again, from the article:

The school district decided to build it in a down economy, knowing full well it will never recoup the costs.

58 posted on 08/30/2012 3:33:08 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: okie01

The thing is, the Plano High Schools share the stadium, this stadium is for one school.


59 posted on 08/30/2012 3:33:33 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: cdga5for4
Which "Professional" Lacrosse teams are drafting?

LOL

60 posted on 08/30/2012 3:33:36 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: vetvetdoug
I played for a smaller 3A team (Allen and The Dragons I think are 5A) in Texas in 69’ and 70’. Only one time did we play for a crowd smaller than 5000. Our ISD has revenue from oil wells. As a matter of fact, they ended up slant drilling a well right underneath the football field.

This is why high school football is so popular in Texas. It was one of the few forms of entertainment available in oilfield towns and camps in the early 20th century. Hundreds or thousands of people would appear overnight in some desolate, remote spot, a hundred miles from any form of civilization, for the purpose of working in the oilfields. There were no movies, television or video games. All the other forms of entertainment (drinking and carousing with shady ladies) were mostly off-limits for families, so the family men played football. There may have been 20 different languages spoken in the oilfield camp, but everybody seemed to like and understand football. It was often the only thing many of these workers had in common with each other, other than the fact that they were out in the middle of nowhere, doing a hot, dirty and hazardous job. Many of these oilfield camps would form teams, and they would compete with teams from other boom towns.

Of course, many of these oilfield towns would eventually die almost as quickly as they had arisen. But the towns that survived long enough to establish schools would set up a football program as soon as they had laid the cornerstone of the school building. Friday nights in the fall became the centerpiece of the local entertainment calendar because, as much as any other reason, the local high school team gave their town a sense of community. Football, being the one thing everybody in town agreed that they liked, brought the whole town together, just as football had fostered a sense of community back when the town was an oilfield camp. Johnny's dad may have been suing Mark's dad over a business deal gone bad, and the two adults may have actively sought to avoid any social interaction with each other lest they come to blows. Yet there would be Johnny's dad and Mark's dad sitting next to each other in the stadium on a cool autumn Friday night, cheering on their sons as they played the game.

So, the simple answer to the question, "Why is high school football king in Texas?" is that the sport has, since its inception, been a part of who we as Texans are. It is part of our culture, for better or worse.

And it all goes back to what our great-grandfathers did to pass the time when they weren't laboring in the oilpatch.
61 posted on 08/30/2012 3:34:05 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: dfwgator; tpmintx
Plano and Allen are adjacent school districts in Collin County.

I frankly can't imagine that any district in Collin County has ever received a cent of Robin Hood funds -- much less Allen.

I do know for certain that none were even eligible to receive them when my wife won election to the County School Board.

62 posted on 08/30/2012 3:38:01 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: C19fan

You should see what Odessa Permian HS has, particularly when oil money is up.


63 posted on 08/30/2012 3:52:25 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: freedumb2003

If you have to ask why, it’s time to pack and go home. Just like the death penalty, some things don’t need explaining.


64 posted on 08/30/2012 3:54:37 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: okie01
1972 San Antonio Lee versus Wichita Falls High in Texas Stadium. Lee won 28-27 on the pitching arm of Tommy Kramer to Richard Osborne...both went on to college and met up playing for the Minnesota Vikings. Wichita Falls High two years ago held the Texas record for most state championships and the high school program with the most wins. I think Southlake Carroll may have tied it or surpassed it as of last year.

Stephenville, Brownwood, Odessa Permian, Abilene Cooper, LaMarque, and Lake Travis are some others but I've left out dozens of other excellent HS Texas programs that are legendary.

65 posted on 08/30/2012 3:54:57 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: OrangeHoof

>>If you have to ask why, it’s time to pack and go home. Just like the death penalty, some things don’t need explaining.<<

Hey, I can’t even understand why people give a tinker’s damn about High School at all. Those were the longest 2 years of my life, despite a few fun things along the way.

I couldn’t name a single person from then if you put a gun to my head.

College, OTOH, was a blast. I understand people’s affinity to their Alma Maters...


66 posted on 08/30/2012 3:59:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo could bring back literal slavery with chains and still he will get 97+% of the black vote)
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To: traditional1

Is that the other standard? Players being drafted? Here’s a newsflash for you: it doesn’t matter whether a player is drafted from football, lacrosse, or pinochle . . . the taxpayers of that district don’t see squat.


67 posted on 08/30/2012 3:59:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Milton Miteybad

Excellently stated.

Thanks for a good answer and a small history lesson for us all.


68 posted on 08/30/2012 4:01:40 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo could bring back literal slavery with chains and still he will get 97+% of the black vote)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

I think it’s interesting to find out differences between parts of country, cultures and generations on a particular subject. My kids didn’t have school sponsored sports until senior high. From grades 5-9 they played YMCA football. Our local fields could accommodate up to 10 games at same time, under lights with official scoreboards, paved parking lots, great food at concession areas, etc. Sponsor fees were $4,000 per team plus cost of jerseys and pants-a lot of money back then, plus all the kids paid to play. All the parents had team jerseys. Kids tried out and there were A and B teams within each grade school area. Lot of the boys went to football camps in the summer in other states. It was all about winning. Great coaches, conditioning, lots of newsprint. It was a big deal.

I do not believe that everyone should have a trophy and if you don’t keep score, why bother.

I also don’t have a problem with a $60 million dollar stadium providing it isn’t paid for with tax dollars and it doesn’t matter whether it’s for students or pros. If somebody wants it, they can pay for it. What irks me the most is flying into a city and having to pay for their sports complex by having an extra charge on my hotel or car rental bill.

There are lots of things that kids can try and if parents have a mind to, they can find something for their child to do where their child will be able to excel.


69 posted on 08/30/2012 4:14:17 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: 1rudeboy

I’m startled to see our resident cheerleader for everything foreign touting the game of Lacrosse. It’s as American as football. It’s Indian Ball, and not your favored variety of Indian It’s a native American game.

As far as your not being able to find football players to play water polo with you, well, maybe you shoud try the theater department.


70 posted on 08/30/2012 4:14:35 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: 1rudeboy
"I suppose I should have never played water polo . . . funny, that . . . we could never find any football players to play"

No doubt.

Most of the pocket-pool players wind up playing Lacross....

There's a REASON there's no Pro Lacrosse League in the USA.....nobody cares.

71 posted on 08/30/2012 4:15:53 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: traditional1

Again, your intent to justify wasteful government spending based on the popularity of the sport of your choice is beyond silly.


72 posted on 08/30/2012 4:19:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: C19fan

In 1965, our Texas football stadium was built for a mere 1.2 million.

Which even with inflation, pales compared to this beauty.


73 posted on 08/30/2012 4:23:18 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: 1rudeboy
I suppose I should have never played water polo . . . funny, that . . . we could never find any football players to play with us.

We tried to play water polo in My home town, but the horses kept drowning...

CC

74 posted on 08/30/2012 4:30:03 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: Celtic Conservative

The horses I work with know how to swim. Maybe you had faulty horses? ;)


75 posted on 08/30/2012 4:32:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: C19fan

It’s good to see that some of the nation’s public schools are well functioning.


76 posted on 08/30/2012 4:35:30 PM PDT by fso301
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To: dfwgator
The thing is, the Plano High Schools share the stadium, this stadium is for one school.

There have been two senior high schools in Plano only since 1981. Clark Field was built before that -- i.e., for one high school.

77 posted on 08/30/2012 4:40:47 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: 1rudeboy
If that's the case, then the taxpayers knew it -- and still approved the bond issue.

It's their choice.

78 posted on 08/30/2012 4:42:39 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: LaserJock

Yes indeed. Football is what preceeds and follows the marching band’s performance each weekend.


79 posted on 08/30/2012 4:46:01 PM PDT by rod1 (CTLY)
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To: 1rudeboy

I believe most stadiums and arenas are, from a strictly financial standpoint, losers. They can do a lot to bring a community together in various ways. The revitalization in Oklahoma City of the Bricktown area has cost a lot of money, but it has done a lot. Bringing the Thunder to town has also been huge for uniting the entire state. Normally everyone is pretty divided between OSU and OU, but everyone can get behind the Thunder.


80 posted on 08/30/2012 4:50:00 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: traditional1
Attend a Lacrosse final four. It is a little like rugby but faster and with sticks. Awesome athletes.
81 posted on 08/30/2012 4:50:13 PM PDT by rod1 (CTLY)
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To: traditional1

How many people have to attend an event to take the quotaton marks off “sports” also, why is that relevant?


82 posted on 08/30/2012 4:51:53 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: okie01
It's their choice.

So, how is that Obamacare ting going to work out for us?

83 posted on 08/30/2012 4:52:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: C19fan

Now I see why I was never a Bush fan...or a Texas fan for that matter. It sure hasn’t done them much good in college football. I understand why A&M joined the SEC, so they could be a part of a winning conference.


84 posted on 08/30/2012 4:56:19 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mr. Blonde
How many people have to attend an event to take the quotaton marks off “sports” also, why is that relevant?

Only relevant in the sense that, when the quotation marks are removed, it allows the sport to be hung around your (taxpaying) neck like an albatross.

85 posted on 08/30/2012 4:58:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: C19fan

If that’s how the taxpayerw want to waste their money ... go for it. I think it’s ridiculous.

But that city better not ask for Federal money for other stuff that they “can’t afford to pay for” themselves.


86 posted on 08/30/2012 4:59:22 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: jessduntno

Nothing. But I bet you wouldn’t have to dig too far to find out that Allen is receiving Federal money for other stuff.


87 posted on 08/30/2012 5:00:54 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne
But that city better not ask for Federal money for other stuff that they “can’t afford to pay for” themselves.

Why? What's the difference?

88 posted on 08/30/2012 5:01:58 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: servantboy777

Do you live in that district?

How could you not know about this?

Did you vote against the bond issue for the stadium?


89 posted on 08/30/2012 5:04:48 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: LaserJock
I prefer to think of these as marching band theaters.

Hear, hear!


90 posted on 08/30/2012 5:05:33 PM PDT by bgill
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To: 1rudeboy

I would guess that Lacrosse and Water Polo were conducted in publicly funded venues as well. Probably not in 60 million dollar venues, but funded by taxpayers as well. Like this one, at their choice as well. It may not be wise, but they were not coerced, and unlike your comparison to Obamacare, there are no constitutional questions about a school district choosing to do this.


91 posted on 08/30/2012 5:05:45 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: vetvetdoug
There are a lot of match-ups in Texas H.S. football that have reached legendary status.

I keep hearing about a semi-final game that was played in the midst of a raging blizzard, between Vernon and Phillips. Epic game that ended up in a zero-zero tie, Phillips advancing on gross yardage (by something like a bare 3 yds, as I recall).

Then, Phillips went on to win the state title.

At one time, I was given to understand by a reputable source that the unofficial total of money bet on high school football in Texas exceeded the amount bet on either college or pro football. A rancher betting a grand that the Dumas Demons would beat the spread vs the Dalhart Wolves was not unheard of.

Odds are that some of those guys sitting around the coffee shop in "The Last Picture Show's" Anarene (Archer City) on Saturday morning had lost some serious bread on the last game of the season vs Antelope (Olney).

There was even a rivalry in Central Texas (Clifton & Meridian?) that got banned because, every time the two teams met, the game ended with a knock-down, drag-out fight between the two towns. This around 1992-or-so, as I recall.

Texas high school football: Nothing like it.

I went to school and played football in Oklahoma. It was serious....but nothing like Texas.

92 posted on 08/30/2012 5:05:59 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: 1rudeboy

Huge difference between local taxes and Federal taxes.
Read the Constitution.

If LOCAL people want to tax themselves to pay for such things that fine. But if Federal money is being sent to this city which offsets this expenditure then the whole country is basically subsidizing the football stadium. I have a huge problem with that


93 posted on 08/30/2012 5:09:43 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: okie01

In my fair burg, Flower Mound, Marcus and Flower Mound High School have their own stadiums, but they’re nothing like Allen’s, that’s for sure.

And if anyone is curious, Marcus Sucks, Go Jags!


94 posted on 08/30/2012 5:09:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Mr. Blonde
I chose Obamacare as the extreme example. I am simply amused by ostensible conservatives supporting a facility that the authorities themselves admit they cannot fund.

Naturally, ten years from now, when things go south the same conservatives will be whining about "excessive" spending.

95 posted on 08/30/2012 5:10:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: C19fan

Over 19,000 showed up last week for a high school doubleheader in Cleveland at Browns Stadium. Better matchups would have drawn quite a few more.


96 posted on 08/30/2012 5:12:31 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Lorianne
Ok, State Constitution expert--when things go bad, the taxpayers of the State will be asked to bail this facility out. But wait a minute . . . the taxpayers of the State did not vote for this bond issue.

Read the Constitution. /s

97 posted on 08/30/2012 5:13:24 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: cardinal4

“Having lived in Texas, I can tell you that High School Football is a rite, not unlike Communion or a Bris!”

I’ve read that in some Texas towns with only one FM radio station if two teams are playing home games they’ll broadcast both games in stereo so listeners can fade the speakers to listen to one team or the other or both if they can handle it!


98 posted on 08/30/2012 5:16:17 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: 1rudeboy

They said the 60 mil is gone and they won’t get it back in cash, again I and they seem to think it will provide some community and cultural benefits for the city, but they will be able to run it with the revenue they make from it. They are even projecting extra money to put into the general fund for the school.


99 posted on 08/30/2012 5:20:11 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Mr. Blonde
For the third, and final, time. From the article:

The school district decided to build it in a down economy, knowing full well it will never recoup the costs.

Who would've guessed we'd have so many FR Keynesians gather on one thread?
100 posted on 08/30/2012 5:26:24 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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