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The man that is helping to produce strong conservatives. On radio for 52 years!
fhu ^ | 09/16/12 | fabian

Posted on 09/16/2012 11:52:44 AM PDT by fabian

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To: Elsie

You feel free to have it your way...have a nice life!


661 posted on 09/30/2012 8:10:09 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: Elsie

I haven’t judged anything..calling you what you are. Maybe someday you will come out of that stupidity...who knows?


662 posted on 09/30/2012 8:11:54 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: Elsie

He was exaggerating to make a valid point which you judged wrongly because you guys use the bible as your base/source of faith.


663 posted on 09/30/2012 8:13:42 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian
Sorry, I couldn’t help it..but honestly you guys are so bible smart that you are stupid!


The Bible makes us stupid, and the voice on the radio makes you a genius...your "greater wisdom" is rejected because everyone, other than Roy and yourself, are so stupid. Oh, and reading Scripture is what took away our brains, right?

If only we hadn't read the Bible... then we'd be following your "wisdom", we'd obey you, just like you'd obey Roy...

Wow...I guess then you could be Mini-Roy



1 Corinthians 1


18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: 20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. 26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”

664 posted on 09/30/2012 8:57:16 PM PDT by Tuanedge (The Buffalo hates the Tiger, but the Tiger loves the Buffalo.)
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"...you judged wrongly because you guys use the bible as your base/source of faith..."


Mini-Roy just dropped another one of those illuminating gems of wisdom again...didn't want anyone to miss it ;^)

665 posted on 09/30/2012 9:25:34 PM PDT by Tuanedge (The Buffalo hates the Tiger, but the Tiger loves the Buffalo.)
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To: Tuanedge
"...you judged wrongly because you guys use the bible as your base/source of faith..."

I accept this indictment as a badge of honor! It is far better to have the divinely-inspired, God-breathed every word, Holy Scriptures for a base than the meager ruminations of a fallible man bent on exalting his own presumed high holy self. Let me see....Roy Masters or Almighty God? Almighty God, Creator and sustainer of all that is or ever will be or an octogenarian full of his own vinegar? Not much of a contest, if you ask me. ;o)

666 posted on 09/30/2012 10:33:09 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: fabian
Maybe someday you will come out of that stupidity...who knows?

Can't defend, so you call names and judge: how pathetic.

667 posted on 10/01/2012 4:26:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
He was exaggerating to make a valid point which you judged wrongly because you guys use the bible as your base/source of faith.

Oh?

He was?

Well, since you claim that the sentence was NOT gotten from a first hand source, and that it is somehow being misinterpreted, and that YOU have to explain what he REALLY means; perhaps YOU would be kind enough to give the JURY some evidence that what YOU say is to be believed.

Got the book YOURSELF with the sentence in it?

Take a PICTURE of the page and post it here; THEN the lurkers will have something to JUDGE whether YOUR statements are true.

Otherwise they will dismiss YOUR claims, unsourced as they are; in favor of Daniel (etal) claims that ARE sourced.


Here is how I have done such a thing in the past....




668 posted on 10/01/2012 4:33:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums; Tennessee Nana

Why should ANYone listen to YOU; as it is EVIDENT that your stupidity has earned YOU the number of the BEAST in this thread!

(Sorry Nana....)


669 posted on 10/01/2012 4:35:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; boatbums

Oops. Which is why its probably not good to extend the use and meaning of such numbers outside of their biblical context. People with “bad” addresses, thirteenth floors of buildings. All nonsense. Just sayin ...

Peace,

SR


670 posted on 10/01/2012 6:11:11 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: fabian; boatbums; Tuanedge; Elsie

you judged wrongly because you guys use the bible as your base/source of faith.
________________________________________

Do Christians know that this is how Mormon Willard feels about their Christian beliefs ???


671 posted on 10/01/2012 6:29:27 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

This ex-Mormon certainly does.

I kinda have a thing about mind bending cults now, dont cha know...


672 posted on 10/01/2012 6:42:39 AM PDT by Tuanedge (The Buffalo hates the Tiger, but the Tiger loves the Buffalo.)
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To: Elsie; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; HossB86; wmfights; ...

Moving on to some deeper analysis and aspects, which needs more development:

The way it works is that you begin with rapping Roy, following his mesmerizing meditation, and gain esoteric understanding, and while you may see things in the Bible that you “awaken” you to that hidden knowledge, and see things as confirming it, this is not by normal exegesis in which you pay attention to context, grammar, genre, etc, but is a revelation knowledge, in which you are the supreme authority on truth, and after you have really arrived you can throw the Bible away.

Masters denies that remembering and treasuring the words of the Bible in the heart means they have the word of God in their heart, as while Masters says that the Bible can awaken you to esoteric understanding under his meditation, yet it is the revelation knowledge that he gets, the understanding that is awakened in my mind, and the bond with that spirit of awakening is what is holy with me,” not the physical Bible, and “the Scriptures are just words on a page,” and “I can take that Bible to the toilet with me and use it in the same way as anything else.” (ibid, Walter Martin takes on Roy Masters min. 12:30-34)

In this Masters makes a critical error, as he reasons that since the pages which conveys truth is material, and and language is not then it is not holy, sanctified, set apart, and to be treated with reverence, but only the truth is contains and awakens one to is holy. However, as i pointed out before, even the presence of one believer in a marriage sanctifies a family. (1Cor. 7:14)

And consistent with Masters understanding, one can say that since the human body is simply made protoplasm, it need not be treated with special respect, but only the things it contains.

Giving him more rope, Masters states that “you cannot analyze language and find understanding in it,” which, along with consideration of genre and context, is part of understanding what people say in everyday life as well as what the Bible is doctrinally saying. And while by so doing we get a deeper understanding of God and the fulness of meaning, yet under Masters this is denigrated for the actual words are only a sound, or noise, and instead the Bible only “awakens” you to an understanding through his mind-numbing meditation, heretofore described by him.

Scan the Scriptures for understanding. BUT NEVER STUDY OR BE ABSORBED IN MERE WORDS..” (The Satan Principle, p. 100).

What comes from thinking builds pride, but what comes out of neutral realizing awareness [the state of innocence or holiness] is holy.” ( How to Control Your Emotions, p. 84)

His words, in response to the charge that he is his own standard, is that, “the standard is not the Bible, the standard is what the Bible awakens to me in my own heart.” (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waltermartindotcom/2011/06/05/walter-martin-takes-on-roy-masters.mp3, min. 36:53-57) in which he detaches his conscious mind from his “imagination,” including daily thinking and living.

“Not the words on a page, not the sounds of a language,” but when you understand what the words are saying, when you understand what the knowledge is saying, you leave the knowledge behind, you leave the printed word behind and you have life.” as this understanding is a “wordless word” and when that happens, “there is the beginning of salvation.” “The Bible you read says ‘the letter kills,’ the words on a page, they kill you; if you involve yourself in words you move away from understanding.” ibid. min. 12:40-13:35)

Here Masters makes a false dichotomy between consideration of the actual words of Scripture in prayerful consideration of their meaning, and understanding of them.

Certainly there are secondary meanings to Scripture, and God can apply any text to any situation, but the doctrinal meaning is critical and is not realized apart from exegetical consideration, including of the very words themselves, such as seen by the Lords question in Mtt. 22:

“While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions. “ (Matthew 22:41-46)

And which focus upon the meaning of words SR also pointed out in other texts.

And which is seen in this description of an ongoing dialog between a Christian and a so-called Jehovah’s Witness:http://tektonticker.blogspot.com/2012/09/my-time-with-jws.html

However, Masters, as them, denies the Deity of Christ, and as they, supposes that “One’ must refer to an absolute unity of one person, versus Being, and rejects analysis of words which play a part of this doctrine.

Masters often has justified his rejection of textual analysis of language in determining the meaning of words - versus the revelation understanding which Scripture can “awaken” one to as attained thru his meditation - by reasoning that you do not know for sure such things as whether the events in the Bible took place, etc, and thus you are the supreme judge of truth. Provided of course that you esoterically realize it thru his meditation.

However, in reality, while every man must judge for himself what truth is, this is not through Masters occultist meditation with its looking thru your forehead as it were, and finding you hand rising, and cold shivers and becoming one with the universe, etc., but primarily by prayerful study of Scripture (once one finds trust in it warranted due to evidence), which entails consideration of context, genre, etc. to understand its doctrinal meaning, and while how it applies to your situation does not determine doctrine, or what is truth.

Nor is the reader of Scripture the supreme authority on truth, as though he were infallible, even though he must at some point judge for himself what is right, but the words God are, (Mt. 4:4; Jn. 17:17) with the Scriptures being the assured word of God (2Tim. 3:16) by which truth claims are both tested and established. (Is. 8:20; Acts 17:11; 18:28; 28:23)

This does mean different interpretations can and do result, yet this is limited, and amidst the core salvific gospel essentials, which are critical to conversion and realizing the unity of the Spirit, (Acts 10:34-43; Eph. 4:3-6; 1Cor. 12:13; 15:1-4), the denial of which divides Christianity from most cults.

And God has also given the church administration, that of pastors to oversee the flock, (Acts 20:28; Rm. 12:8; Eph. 4:11; Heb. 13:17; 1Pt. 5:1,2) and teachers with the gift of teaching, (Rm. 12:7) which works to foster unity, and limit the degree in which believers can disagree beyond core truths.

But which Masters denigrates:

“If you need the church you’re not well.” ((tape “The Mystery of Golgotha”)

The Church is supposed to teach you to go within yourself and to be a whole person and not need the Church. (Tape No. 20, “The Sayings of Jesus—Right Tradition”)

Through true belief you acquire a new nature from within that does not require any external reinforcement by church attendance, study or ritual—ever. (How to Conquer Suffering Without Doctors, p. 191)

But in reality he has effectively set himself up as a type of pope. For many men and churches have sought to deal with the problem of disunity and different interpretations by asserting they are assuredly infallible, or uniquely enlightened to teach with authority equal or above Scripture, but who are not reliant upon or manifest Scriptural warrant.

And while Masters effectively but erroneously teaches that souls are the supreme authorities on truth under his meditation, in reality he is the supreme authority on how to realize this truth, and on more, and if one disagrees with him, at least in principal matters and even as a result of meditation, it must be disallowed.

And while leaders claiming assured veracity does work unity, it is inferior in quality to that which depends upon the Spirit doing so as a result of personal seeking of God and faith in the gospel, resulting in a unity founded upon a shared, Scripture based conversion and relationship with the risen Lord Jesus.

Moreover, in reality, looking to one teacher or church office as assuredly faithful interpreters does not solve the problem of different interpretations, as it moves the problem of interpretation to that of interpreting the interpreter, and even as to when they have given an infallible type interpretation. And as seen in churches which hold to the sola ecclesia (the church is the supreme authority on truth) model, this does not prevent divisions both formal or informal.

But as said, while the interpretive office has its Scriptural place, and while each individual at some point must judge for himself what truth is and what warrants trust (including if it be his church), Scripture is the only transcendent material source that we as evangelicals Christians see as being Divinely established as being of God, due to their manifest enduring Heavenly qualities and power, and by faith in it the church as the born again body of Christ has endured (being founded upon the O.T. Scriptures: Lk. 24:44; Rm. 1:2; 16:25,26).

And the fruits of which is not that of cultic bondage to defend a Masters-type teacher to the point where even valid documented material is dismissed as fabrications.

And like true men of God, these writings are wholly inspired of God even if men do not recognize it as such, though like as with true men of God, they are supposed to be affirmed to be so by men based upon their continuing qualities.

And thus the Scriptures which Masters sometimes invokes have continued to be established from generation to generation because their enduring qualities, but which are realized by faith in and obedience to its words and what they doctrinally and personally teach. But which does not sanction the means of Masters, with the occultic, looking, as it were, thru your forehead type of meditation which the monologue of Masters mesmerizes men and women with.


673 posted on 10/01/2012 7:43:41 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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674 posted on 10/01/2012 12:02:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian; Elsie; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; HossB86; wmfights; ...

One thing is for sure - the zombies would starve to death at a Masters convention - no brains present.


675 posted on 10/01/2012 12:53:49 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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