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Beyond Giving Every Kid A Trophy... Playing to Lose! (Vanity)
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Posted on 09/21/2012 3:01:27 AM PDT by MacMattico

I feel really bad for my niece. Last year, she made her school's competitive Varsity Volleyball team as a Freshman, plays club, and has already been looked at by college scouts. A sports scholarship would really help her family out.

Here's the thing: she's stuck at this school and they've recently changed their "focus in sports" to one of where everybody gets to play. My niece was an excellent OH (outside hitter), but other kids want to play outside hitter, so she doesn't play that position much anymore. She's very tall and can play middle well, but that's not always fair to the short kids. Last year, in one game, she scored the first 16 points serving. But now they've changed her serve so it's not as hard and more returnable. Needless to say the team hasn't won a game and probably won't. She's not progressing, and this could affect club try outs. The changing of her serve and spike have made her regress in her play, the entire family agrees. It's really a travesty. They are teaching the team how NOT to be competitive; no fall team at her school has a winning record, most have not won a game. But all players play and there are 18 people on the Volleyball team!

How can this school just up and decide in one year competition isn't important and only participation is? The last game I had to ask the coach "Why are people playing in positions they have no clue how to play?" I was told because they wanted to play there, and could learn. WTH? That's what practice is for!

Where she lives you can't play club without playing on your school team first. The club team she played on last year won up and down the East coast, she started, but they've screwed her skills up so much she may not make the team. No one can set properly, it's a mess. Starters from last year have quit. Her parents don't have the money to move or send her to private school. I feel horrible for her, she's worked so hard. My sister doesn't want to say anything to the coach or school for fear of her not playing at all or not getting a recommendation for club.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Sports
KEYWORDS: competition; lose; volleyball; win
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To: MacMattico
What happened to intramural teams? I remember some lunch hour leagues for basketball and a couple other sports. They players stunk (if they were good they would be on JV or varsity), but they had fun.
21 posted on 09/21/2012 5:13:13 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Her club team is great. Her school team wants “safe” serves, “safe” spikes and she’s not getting much practice for club time when they can’t even set the ball to her.


22 posted on 09/21/2012 5:13:25 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico
Where she lives you can't play club without playing on your school team first.

This is probably the real problem. I understand the club teams probably do this so they're accused of poaching players from school teams, but if this is going to be the school team trend then they need to reconsider this policy.

Fact is, for the school teams, you gotta play by the school's rules, no matter how asinine they are. With club teams, if a club starts shifting their focus to the point where they're hurting player development, then the good players are going to leave for another club if they can find one). That's the free market.

23 posted on 09/21/2012 5:15:38 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: old and tired

She’s a sophomore that’s been on V since last year.


24 posted on 09/21/2012 5:16:20 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

This is the result of the entitlement society, pure and simple. As a caveat, I may be reading too much into it, having limited knowledge of the situation.

There are two wrong lessons being taught from this, to both your niece, and the kids who replaced her. The kids who replaced her are taught that it doesn’t matter if they are not as good, or don’t work as hard, that all they need to do is want to play, and they entitled to get a spot that they don’t necessarily deserve. Your niece is being taught that all her hard work and commitment doesn’t count for anything, and that those who don’t is equally eligible for a spot on the team. Big failure on the coach’s side.

My context is from this...I helped coach the local high school’s summer baseball team, and we had the same situation, parents of a kid that didn’t work out at all, couldn’t hit, couldn’t catch and spent his weeks playing xbox and apparently not watching his diet, demanded equal playing time with those kids who worked out many hours 5 days a week. I refused, and the kid left the team. I was clear, that if I saw his effort and attitude improve, and saw the kid at the workouts, he would get his chance to play. The parents decided that it was unfair to expect the kid to work at his game, and that if he didn’t get playing time regardless, they would leave. And they did.

It is not a good lesson for the kids to tell them they are entitled to play just for showing up. Will they be entitled to a paycheck for just showing up at work? This is why we end up with kids who can’t read or write properly, and 50 million on food stamps. The government schools are showing them that they are entitled to graduate, spots on a team etc, and when they get in the real world and are expected to perform to earn, they can’t or won’t.


25 posted on 09/21/2012 5:16:24 AM PDT by Ironfocus (O Must Go)
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To: 9YearLurker

But they are. And a scholarship can mean the difference between going to a good school or no college at all.


26 posted on 09/21/2012 5:18:27 AM PDT by MacMattico
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there always are competitive private clubs and teams, even traveling teams

also summer camps and clinics where she can learn or sign up to coach younger kids,which also looks good on a resume

Your family needs to look harder and find one for her

Maye she needs to start a team of younger kids in elementary school to boost up their skills - this is called leadership

Talk to some of the volleyball coaches at the colleges that you say have scouted her for their recommendations

The service academies (here USNA) have summer athleitic programs in all sports and teens come from all over the uSA for them


27 posted on 09/21/2012 5:20:36 AM PDT by silverleaf
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To: MacMattico

If your niece is tall, athletic, and anywhere near as good as you thinly she is, no high school coach can screw up her chances for a college scholarship if she plays USAV club ball.

College coaches do not scout High school matches. I ref at big USAV juniors tournaments, and there will be so many college coaches, you can’t walk 10 feet without bumping into one.


28 posted on 09/21/2012 5:30:52 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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“And a scholarship can mean the difference between going to a good school or no college at all.”

Just out of curiosity, what does your niece want to major in at college, and what does she expect to do when she graduates ?


29 posted on 09/21/2012 6:16:03 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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So you would not mind if there were no sports at all in schools? If so, give me a freakin break.

I probably would not have went to school if it were not for sports. Competition is the very essence of life. Any sport teaches kids valuable lessons that some noncompetitive people can never understand.

30 posted on 09/21/2012 7:56:00 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: MacMattico

Anyone in this country can afford college at the level of their competence without an athletic scholarship—even if it is at the community college level.

IMO it’s too bad her family isn’t more mindful of her learning to be a good person through her team experiences than falling into the stereotype of the seeing their kid not getting enough playing time and all of that.

If she’s so good, she shouldn’t be at risk of getting bumped from the club team. And if she isn’t at risk for such, not having a great HS team isn’t a big deal.


31 posted on 09/21/2012 8:22:29 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: ohioman

I believe I learned more on my high school sports team than all my time in classes, and I’m fine with public schools fielding teams.

But when you get parents (and uncles) frothing at the mouth over playing time, things have got way out of whack. Wouldn’t bother me at all if kids’ sports teams were organized and run separate from the public schools.

Communities are great things, and they are stronger when they come together to provide positive things—even if they are outside of the public school system.

And when you’re a kid, your one certain job is to go to school—I don’t care if you have to find a club sport on your own afterwards.


32 posted on 09/21/2012 8:28:21 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

I think the US is the only country where so much emphasis is put on high school sports.

In most countries, they have Athletic Clubs for youngsters to play. Look at English soccer, the pro teams actually represent Athletic Clubs, which field teams in different sports, they have their own youth teams to develop young players, generally if you want to play sports, you go through the local Athletic Club....perhaps decoupling athletics from education would be the way to go.


33 posted on 09/21/2012 8:37:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: old and tired
Sometimes, a coach will make a player seem to go backwards to improve basic form and essentially relearn the skill the proper way. It looks like the coach is hurting the kid's ability, and the kid inevitably feels that way, but ultimately, the promising player will become better for the back to basics play.

If that's the case, the coach really needs to let the player know why this is being done. You may be completely correct but, without the player knowing the reason for these moves, a lot of confusion and animosity is sure to result. (While my coaching experience is extremely limited, I have used the "go backwards a little to go forward better" approach a few times.)

34 posted on 09/21/2012 8:50:52 AM PDT by Bob
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the coach really needs to let the player know why this is being done. You may be completely correct but, without the player knowing the reason for these moves, a lot of confusion and animosity is sure to result.

My experience is confusion and animosity result either way. I agree the kid needs to know the reason, but just because you've explained it to him (and his mom) doesn't mean the kid grasps it yet.

35 posted on 09/21/2012 8:59:43 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Ironfocus
There are two wrong lessons being taught from this, to both your niece, and the kids who replaced her. The kids who replaced her are taught that it doesn’t matter if they are not as good, or don’t work as hard, that all they need to do is want to play, and they entitled to get a spot that they don’t necessarily deserve.

All we know from this post is lesser players are being given more time. We don't know that they're not working hard or harder than the niece. Several times I've benched my best players for not showing up at practice. Or showing up and hot dogging it. And naturally their parent (inevitably a single mother) shows up screaming at me for benching her kid. I found if I explained things calmly to her, she understood. And came to back me.

36 posted on 09/21/2012 9:07:07 AM PDT by old and tired
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“I probably would not have went to school if it were not for sports”

...and your jockness shines through!


37 posted on 09/21/2012 9:15:53 AM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: dfwgator

Very true.


38 posted on 09/21/2012 9:25:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: old and tired
My experience is confusion and animosity result either way. I agree the kid needs to know the reason, but just because you've explained it to him (and his mom) doesn't mean the kid grasps it yet.

Good point. With an explanation, though, even if the kid and his mom disagree with it, at least they know that there's some reason behind what's going on. While you can't prevent problems, you do have some chance to minimize them.

39 posted on 09/21/2012 10:33:04 AM PDT by Bob
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To: PLMerite

As a sophomore, she’s not exactly sure but is interested in Civil Engineering, Geology and Architecture.


40 posted on 09/21/2012 8:40:40 PM PDT by MacMattico
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