Skip to comments.Open Note To Askel5 from Laz
Posted on 09/26/2012 6:42:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz
For many years, I thought you were a bit of a nut. A very INTELLIGENT nut, but a nut nonetheless. Your constant harping about Gramscian politics was, to my mind, weird a little paranoid.
It turns out you were one hundred percent right. The move to destroy America has been very below-the-surface, highly organized, and extremely effective ... and the model has been, indeed, Antonio Gramsci's.
From the work Notes on Saul Alinsky and Neo-Marxism:
Remember that the primary influence for Obama's strategy comes from Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals." With that in mind..."Alinsky's tactics were based, not on Stalin's revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci's transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.
Like Alinsky, Mikhail Gorbachev followed Gramsci, not Lenin. In fact, Gramsci aroused Stalins's wrath by suggesting that Lenin's revolutionary plan wouldn't work in the West. Instead the primary assault would be on Biblical absolutes and Christian values, which must be crushed as a social force before the new face of Communism could rise and flourish. Malachi Martin gave us a progress report:
"By 1985, the influence of traditional Christian philosophy in the West was weak and negligible.... Gramsci's master strategy was now feasible. Humanly speaking, it was no longer too tall an order to strip large majorities of men and women in the West of those last vestiges that remained to them of Christianity's transcendent God."
This excerpt is the bread-and-meat section that tells me that you were prescient and well-versed in the tactics of our enemy. If there is any excuse on my part, I have only one: That which Matt Bracken refers to as the 'normality bias'. I am biased, as are most, to believe things will 'stay normal' and to discount sweeping conspiracies.
But I have awoken. Is it too late, I do not know. Can one man make a difference, I am unsure. Will it get much worse in America, absolutely.
So, this is an open letter to you to acknowledge my being incorrect, you being correct, and to ask you what a nation does to unwind this horrifying and seemingly inexorable push to Marxist/Fascist control.
You’re not going to ping him?
Store food, guns and gold.
Trav, this woman is a Ayn Rand-level thinker, and perhaps she might have some ideas on how to start the process of counterinfiltration.
Trav, I get the sense -- erroneously or not -- that you believe the war can be waged with information and (reluctantly) application of direct pressure.
I'm coming to the conclusion that, though information and memes are crucial, that this is, in fact, a spiritual fight. This is a God thing. The things that God tells us to do in the various commandments, et. al., also turn out to make a stronger US and a stronger NATION.
Witness the devolution of the military, in which gays now want to have sex in full view of other soldiers in the barracks. This is but one indication of what this truly is -- a moral war. A war of spirituality.
Current Communist Goals :
(as per "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen)
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
Don’t forget the ammo!
interesting post. Others have mention Gramsci here also.
“Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci’s transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.”
it is also interesting, that the same discussion occurs in Islam.
Al-Qada and the Muslim Brotherhood, have the same goals.
just different methods.
and as with Gramsci, the gradual infiltration,
is vastly more dangerous.
Antonio Gramsci links for those Freepers who want to know more:
The attack has been on our moral standing as a nation.
Great post, great thread. Already.
Her. Askel5 is a rather attractive lady who's eyes, at first, appeared a little too intense. But then you discover the reason her eyes burn so, is that she is top 0.00001% intelligence and she is passionate about freedom.
I did ping her when my message was fully crafted.....
She was right and your right. It’s a God thing. But I think it’s too late. It’s over. Biblically there are many warnings and many examples of what befalls countries that embrace God and then reject him. Our country, as a government and as a culture, has rejected God.
There’s no nice way to put it. There’s no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. There’s no happy ending for conservatism in the US. It’s over. Our country will fall for it’s rejection of the Lord. Physical or economic captivity is in the forecast.
But there is good news. As a God thing, the return of Jesus Christ will occur. Christ will return and establish a true, one world, peaceful government and will physically rule over all nations and teach us how we’re supposed to live.
I knew you from days at Washington DC. I knew you were correct. I wish we could sit down and have lunch like the old days. Take care where ever you are.
Obama pushed through school funded by the Saudi’s.
Big Bush and his New World Order. The Bush ties to the House Of Saud.
The rise and permitting of radical islam.
The marginalization of an ever increasing number of Americans.
When they killed Kennedy the wheels started rolling ever faster.
And now the plan devised by the global elites is coming together.
BUT, if you have hung around a group of highly intelligent people who have discussed this at length for the last upteen years, there is no surprise.
I have had a bad chest and head cold for a few days, and I can’t wrap my mind around any deep or clear thinking. It just won’t go there.
Thanks, Laz, for posting this piece. I quite agree that this is a long-haul struggle that is more on the spiritual plane than the physical.
I did enjoy and learn from her posts from day 1. She was always up against the Freeper mindset that labored under two large misconceptions.
1). Our federal government would never do THAT to us.
2). If our federal government were to do THAT to us, our friends on TV would tell us so.
Good one Laz.
Some back when you can. This is huge. I’m speaking to some brainiacs and spiritual giants who are helping me clarify these thoughts. There may be a counterinsurgency effort we can take that will A) surprise you B) annoy you C) make you leave the conversation doubting my effectiveness, but hopefully D) bring you around to embrace the method.
Laz, you may want to check this out, too. Beck is all over this like white on rice:
The "New World Order" is of communist domination. Red China, A Soviet comeback and, thanks to the POS in charge, a "fundamentally transformed" Marxist US.
Your comment: Her. Askel5 is a rather attractive lady who's eyes, at first, appeared a little too intense. But then you discover the reason her eyes burn so, is that she is top 0.00001% intelligence and she is passionate about freedom.
...reminds me of what I told her one night as we were all sitting during a break in the jazz music group downtown. I told her laughingly that she needed to understand that she sometimes came across on the Internet as a Valkyrie or an avenging Mother Superior on armored horseback swinging a broadsword -- a later day Joan of Arc.
I think she responded that I came across too damn grandfatherly or words to that effect and I told her that it was intentional.
She is a 100% quality person and I am proud to call her a true friend.
Askel5 last post on FR was in Jan. 2012.
Askel5 home page....
If you have an in-real-life pointer and connection to her, please get her attention to this thread. Her input on the forum and her input on the thread are crucial. I’ve learned to respect and defer to the experts, and Askel is, indeed, one.
Communist Party USA had a slogan out for 2008 titled "Revolt with a Vote"
Dynamic Magazine Spring 2008 Double Issue!
Spring 2008, Issue 18
by Dynamic Committee, 30.04.2008 14:57
Author: YCLUSA [Young Communist League USA]
First published 04/30/2008 16:09 by (article_topic_desc)
Dynamic is the magazine of the Young Communist League USA. It includes art, politics, and culture written by youth, for youth.
The 2008 Spring Double issues includes articles about the youth impact on the 2008 elections, youth participation in unions, the writer's strike and its impact on a family that struggled through it, and much more!
Once on the site, click "youth impact" for article:
LINK NO LONGER VALID
Paul told us as much 2000 years ago. We struggle not with flesh and blood..... and we still have not learned the lesson.
I hope our nation comes to its collective senses and turns back to God, but I honestly do not see it happening. Store food and guns if you think it will help, but I think the only way through is to run to the shelter of Jesus Christ. He is my strength and shield, and I rely totally on His mercy and provision. LOOK UP
I'm inviting her to step up her participation and to help us. Especially morons like me who discounted her words before, but now realize she had the truth the entire time.
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek"-- BARACK OBAMA
After the election....
A Landslide Mandate For Change
A breakthrough election
Congratulations on an extraordinary history making election!
We can think back with pride to decades of hard work toward our strategic goal of a big enough, broad enough and united enough labor and all-peoples movement that could overcome the ultra-right blockage to all progress. That all peoples movement has come to life, it is dynamic and it has the potential to keep growing.
The election of Barack Obama and a strengthened Congress creates new conditions in our country. There is now the possibility to shift gears and move forward. This new day requires us to further develop our tactics in order to continue to deepen and broaden labor and peoples unity.
There are thousands of experiences that we all have had in these momentous days, some large, some small, all of which express the enormity of change in thinking and readiness for involvement that is underway and that steels us for the battles ahead.
The tears of joy we all shared as crowds gathered to watch the election results here and throughout the world dramatize the new moment we are in.
July 1, 2009...
Change is Here, Change is Coming
Sam Webb, National Chair, Communist Party, USA:
"Barack Obama told supporters that
'change has come to America' as he
claimed victory in a historic presidential election."
Liberals self-righteously wrap themselves in the mantle of public spirit. They ardently promote policies promising to deliver the poor and oppressed from their latest misery policies which can only find solution in the halls of government. But no matter what issue one examines, over the last fifty plus years, the liberal prescription has almost always been a failure.
Why is this so? Why does virtually every liberal scheme result in ever-increasing public spending while conditions seem to get continually worse? There are a number of reasons:
In short, all develop a vested interest in the programs survival. But if the result is always more and more government, of government, by government, and for government, with no solution in sight, then why do liberals always see government as the solution rather than the problem?
Similarly, liberals use government to promote legislation that imposes mandates on the private sector to provide further benefits for selected groups. But the results are even more disastrous. For example, weighing the laws or stacking the courts to favor unions may provide short term security or higher pay for unionized labor, but has ultimately resulted in the collapse of entire domestic industries.
Another example is health care. The Dems are always trying to impose backdoor socialized medicine with incremental legislation. Why do you suppose American healthcare is in such crisis? Answer: the government has already become too deeply involved. For example, many hospitals are closing their doors because they are overwhelmed with the burden of caring for indigent patients, illegal immigrants and vagrants who must, by law, be admitted like everyone else, despite the fact that they cannot pay for services. Read about it here Destroying Our Health Care. The net result is reduced availability of care for everyone, exactly the opposite of what liberals claim to want.
To further complicate things, liberal jurists and lawyers have created new theories of liability that utilize the legal system as a means to further redistribute income. This too, has resulted in higher costs and prices in affected industries, higher insurance costs, or in some cases, complete elimination of products or services.
Liberals endless pursuit of rights for different groups also does little but create increasing divisions in our society. Liberal policy pits old against young, men against women, ethnic and racial groups against one another, even American citizens against illegal aliens, all in the name of equality. The only result is anger, tension and equal misery for all.
How does any of this improve our lot?
Finally, when companies relocate overseas to avoid the high cost of unionized labor and heavy domestic regulation, liberals sarcastically excoriate them for outsourcing America. Yet, when it comes to certain domestic industries, liberals in Congress suddenly become free marketers and choose to buy from overseas contractors rather than domestic suppliers. This happened most recently with a huge military contract being outrageously awarded to the heavily subsidized European consortium, AIRBUS, over Americas own Boeing. Since liberals claim to be so determined to save the American worker, what gives?
You have to take a step further back and ask some fundamental questions. Why is the liberal public policy record one of such unmitigated disaster? I mean, even the worst batter hits one occasionally. No one bats zero. No one that is, except liberals.
Prior to the Republican takeover in Congress in 1994, Democrats had over fifty years of virtually unbroken power in Congress with substantial majorities most of the time. With all the time and money in the world trillions spent they couldnt fix a single thing, not one. Todays liberal has the same complaints, and the same old tired solutions. Can a group of smart people, studying issue after issue for years on end, with virtually unlimited resources at their command, not come up with a single policy that works? Why are they chronically incapable?
When things go bad all the time, despite the best efforts of all involved, I suggest to you something else is at work something deeper, more malevolent.
I submit to you that it is not a mistake, the failure is deliberate!
There is a method to the madness, and the method even has a name: the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It was first elucidated in the 1960s by a pair of radical leftist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven:
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis . the Cloward-Piven Strategy seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
[Part II of this article will explore those organizations created to implement the Cloward-Piven strategy and their ties to the presidential candidacy of Barack Obama.]
The Complete Cloward-Piven Series
The Cloward-Piven Strategy, Part I: Manufactured Crisis
The Cloward-Piven Strategy, Part I print copy
The Cloward-Piven Strategy, Part II: Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis
The Cloward-Piven Strategy, Part II print copy
The Cloward-Piven Strategy, Part III: Conspiracy of the Lemmings
The Cloward-Piven Strategy, Part III print copy
Hate Crimes Legislation Back Door Censorship
Also see (from David Horowitz's DiscoverTheNetworks.org) ...
THE CLOWARD-PIVEN STRATEGY (CPS):
Tuesday, January 05, 2010
By Glenn Beck
Meet Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven,
authors of the Cloward-Piven strategy
"I'm going to give you a hard concept to get your arms around: It's the concept that there are people in this country who want to intentionally collapse our economic system."-Glenn Beck
Lol, sorry bout that. Thanks for the correction.
When times are hard, we instinctively turn to God.
Times have been too soft.
That will change.
Brother Laz, a great post!!!
May God have mercy on America. It’s time for sack cloth and ashes, and prayer and fasting.
She will see it. I used to have her e-mail but I am not sure where it is.
I also know where she hangs out on the internet and I will try to ping her there later today. I know that because of her strong RC faith, she ended up getting tired of the flame wars where some that did not like her here followed her around the forum badgering her and many other terrible forms of harrasment and she got damn tired of it.
There's an old sales technique. You give the prospect exactly two, maybe three choices. If you give them a dozen, they freeze.
Same thing with the presentation of your information. A long post with too much information, personally, gives me MEGO ... My Eyes Glaze Over.
Best if you gradually add the information, two points at a time.
Suggestion to you since I know your heart is good, yet your presentation is less effective. Hope you take no offense.
Welcome to the club. No, I’m not being a smart ass. I’m just saying, the more people who get it, the more chance we have of saving our country and ourselves. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter if the things that are taking place are a conspiracy or an evil collection of coincidences...the end result is the same. The liberals/democrats will destroy this country if they continue unabated. I personally believe that it will end if Republicans have their way...just that it will happen a little slower. Conservatives and patriots are the only hope.
I am former army but grew up in a marine town, so I have no hesitation saying...Semper Fi!...when it comes to saving the United States of America.
Yes, she was prescient. I miss her posts.
This is an extremely active thread and it appears she is well-loved. I do hope she returns. I would follow her leadership.
Holy Sh*t! First time I’ve ever seen this. This is scary.
Congrats on that realization. Does this mean you will once and for all eschew all that "Hitting it" mess?
Sin has always been in this world. What we have seen in my lifetime is its glorification.
Pass this on to her, then: I am darned effective at troll-squashing and covering-fire when people who are counter to the goals of conservatism are sniping at stalwarts. I don't even care if the troll is a FR Veteran. Don't mess with my fire team.
So, if Askel comes back in full-battle-gear, she can count on me to lay down suppressive fire, and fire-for-effect, on any who would harass her.
We need her here. (I cannot believe I came full circle on this lady) lol
Anyway, more respectable outfits that come to mind are Federalist Society and CATO. There are some on the spiritual front as well, even if the University of Notre Dame and the vast majority of Protestant churches are losing their way.
Good post. The battle is more one-on-one than most people realize. Get your kids thinking straight. Don't waste your time on true friendships with liberals.
Western Civilization, as currently run by liberals, is on a path to suicide. If you haven't read "Suicide of the West," find a copy and read it.
Paul told us as much 2000 years ago. We struggle not with flesh and blood..... and we still have not learned the lesson.
You are absolutely correct!
Mixed feelings. There's a certain level of amusement people get from that. I do like to stay funny too; I feel in the darker times, morale is important. I've always considered myself a bit of FR's Class Clown... so... I dunno....
.... and on the other side, I do recognize that even humor about this is, to some degree, nonspiritual. Certain FR ladies who have met me lately have been shocked (and gratified, I bet) that the "I'd Hit It" dude is all an act. So, the actual behavior has greatly improved.
That is one of the key reasons we are in this mess today. ADD (attention deficit disorder). Many folks don't want to take the time to adequately learn the ins and outs of what's going on. We've gotten intellectually lazy. As for presentation, I don't know about you, but I'll take substance over style any day.
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