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Walmart --- Can They Be Stopped? (vanity)
October 10, 2012 | me

Posted on 10/10/2012 8:09:47 AM PDT by Beowulf

Does any one have any experience or insight into fighting Walmart expansion that they would be willing to share?


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KEYWORDS: retail; vanity; walmart
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To: 1rudeboy
I could care lees about a retail store location. My problem is with the K Street-Walmart-China complex.

And to answer your question: no, it does not make sense to oppose the construction of a retail location in order to prevent off-shoring

That wasn't my question. Seems Free Trade lovers sacrifice their spine on the gloBULL alter of stateless/borderless greed.

101 posted on 10/10/2012 11:54:51 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Free Trade lovers sacrifice their spine on the gloBULL alter of stateless/borderless greed

Excellent slogan to put on the sandwich-board when you go to the zoning commission meeting. Let me know how that works out for you.

102 posted on 10/10/2012 11:59:56 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: central_va; 1rudeboy

It is not the cost of our labor (at least not only this) that determines the jobs go out of country. It is the overall cost to do business. Over taxation and regulation is what really makes the products cheaper to create in other countries.


103 posted on 10/10/2012 12:02:41 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Dan Nunn
You don't get to pick and choose how you want the economy to work...

Sure you do - to a limited extent - in a free country you can choose where to spend your money.

104 posted on 10/10/2012 12:03:34 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Ratman83

Most people understand that . . . emphasis on “most.”


105 posted on 10/10/2012 12:05:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: steelyourfaith

I’m wondering if that haggis fast food restaurant is still there on the Dale Mabry a couple blocks south of the stadium.


106 posted on 10/10/2012 12:09:18 PM PDT by prairie dog
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To: 1rudeboy

In this country I do not think most understand it, Look at the way people vote.


107 posted on 10/10/2012 12:09:49 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

I should have been more specific. I meant “most” people on FR.


108 posted on 10/10/2012 12:12:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

That I could go with.


109 posted on 10/10/2012 12:27:58 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Beowulf

Walmarts are good for the economy.


110 posted on 10/10/2012 1:19:51 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Ratman83

If EVERY regulation and tax on manufacturing were removed, all of them, it would not even slow done the de-industrialization of the USA. Nobody in the USA can compete with billions of people that will work for 2 dollars a day. There is enough labor in China to supply the entire world’s labor at pennies on the dollar.


111 posted on 10/10/2012 1:26:36 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Walmarts are good for the economy.

Unemployed people, that used to work in US factories, now collect govt. benefits financed by fiat currency borrowed from communists to spend at WalFart on Chinese produced products. Clearly this is not sustainable.

112 posted on 10/10/2012 1:30:03 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Beowulf

Buy the land.


113 posted on 10/10/2012 1:41:41 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Maceman

Where do you have go go to see those “people of WalMart” people? I’ve never seen anyone remotely like that in any WalMart I’ve been in.


114 posted on 10/10/2012 1:47:03 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: TheBattman
You should shop over at the Walmart Grocery on Champions Blvd in Rogers, AR. They have a quality of meat that their other stores don't have.
2” thick steaks, rib eyes to die for, slabs of salmon, huge lobsters at prices no different than their other stores.

But then they are just across the street from some of the finest gated community homes in the NW Arkansas area. They are just South of the new Traffic Circle near Pinnacle Hills, south of the John Q Hammonds center

Open to everyone, including a po’boy like me.

115 posted on 10/10/2012 1:49:20 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ratman83; 1rudeboy

Corporations, for the last 100 years, have been undermining states rights clamoring and lobbying for “national” laws and regulations instead of the “hodgepodge” of 50 local laws and regulations. Well they got their way, the republic is dead and they helped create the Federal Monster we live with today. Now corporations, having decided to ditch the US worker for a few pennies on the dollar, use these same “national” regulations as a fig leaf to sell out American Industry. No heros here.


116 posted on 10/10/2012 1:57:21 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Fresh Wind

The women that go to the Wal-Mart where I shop are smokin’ hot. Even the ones with kids. And no, I won’t tell you where it is located. My secret.


117 posted on 10/10/2012 2:00:11 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Amagi

***Walmart can be extremely devastating to the character of existing quiet, established communities and especially to Mom and Pop small businesses.***

And here is the reason why as explained to me by a teacher long before Walmart was ever founded.

A small town will have two grocery stores, two drug stores, two dress shops, two feed stores, ect, all to prove they have competition and a market economy.

However, these stores will make handshake deals under the table not to cut each other on prices so they can keep the prices HIGH in the small towns and keep the locals in economic slavery to their high prices. The city Fathers get involved and do what they can to keep real competition out of the town, and all get a cut of the profits.

Now, years later Walmart comes along and the City Fathers would do what they could to keep them out of town. So, Walmart would buy a piece of land outside the town and build anyway.
The lower prices gave the locals a chance to get more for their money so they would desert the high dollar stores in town and then the shop owners would complain how Walmart was running them out of business.

Case in point: A town near here had a company owned store in town and called it a “discount center”. No competition as Walmart was far away.

My mom shopped there all the time. One day we took her to the local Walmart and she went into reverse “Sticker Shock”
when she realized how the “discount center” was robbing the customers blind.


118 posted on 10/10/2012 2:03:48 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Beowulf

I live in Tampa...what roads are you talking about ?


119 posted on 10/10/2012 2:08:34 PM PDT by Popman (November 7th...will be a good day for America..)
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To: Leep

***1) Way to much stuff from China.Why not import more from other counties ?***

Other stores get stuff from China.
Ace hardware.
True Value.
Lowes.
Dollar Store
Dollar Tree
Dollar General
Hobby Lobby
Home Depot
Attwoods
Tractor supply Co

I went to Hobby Lobby a few days ago. I looked and looked for non-Chinese goods and after several isles I found an item, made in India. Even their art paints are made overseas, like Winsor Newton and Winton paints from England. Master’s Touch oil paint is made in China and many of their paint brushes also made in China. Their primed Canvas is made in Cambodia.


120 posted on 10/10/2012 2:13:18 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: BO Stinkss

***They found an Indian graveyard at the proposed Wal-mart site here.***

Ah ha! The old “sacred Indian Burial Ground” excuse!


121 posted on 10/10/2012 2:14:36 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Beowulf
When I visited Bentonville, AR (headquarters of Walmart), there is a Walmart every 5 feet, or so it seems. However, just a few miles north of Bentonville is the small town of Bella Vista, AR, that has no Walmart does not want a Walmart, and has successfully refused any attempts to have a Walmart.

If I were you, I'd get with the folks at Bella Vista, AR and learn their tactics to resist the growth of Walmart into their area.

122 posted on 10/10/2012 2:15:22 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

My local Wal-Mart just added groceries and expanded its beverage section. It now sells my beer at $1.77 (per 25oz can), as opposed to my local liquor store, that sells it at $2.29. I’m supposed to be loyal to the liquor store why?


123 posted on 10/10/2012 2:25:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

***Bella Vista, AR, that has no Walmart does not want a Walmart, and has successfully refused any attempts to have a Walmart. ***

Bella Vista does not need a Walmart. If they want something they can go SOUTH a couple of miles and there is the big one behind the Peale Mansion or they can go NORTH to the big one near Jane Missouri. Bella Vista is well covered under the Walmart umbrella.


124 posted on 10/10/2012 2:46:41 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Popman

He’s referring to this one:

http://www2.tbo.com/news/business/2012/oct/03/3/carrollwood-neighbors-demonstrate-against-walmart-ar-520734/


125 posted on 10/10/2012 2:51:18 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: 1rudeboy

They won’t have an answer other than “BIG CORPORATIONS” and “CHINNNNNAAAAAAAAA.”

That being said, do pay attention to some of the prices - I’ve found that Walmart is not competitive in some areas. I can get a lot of alcohol much cheaper at Walgreens than Walmart, and much more conveniently as well (as I’m sure Walgreens uses it as a loss leader to get people into their outrageously priced, but incredibly convenient stores).

But by and large, Walmart bests the competition on price.


126 posted on 10/10/2012 2:55:28 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Beowulf
Free To Choose TV


Milton Friedman's Century

127 posted on 10/10/2012 3:16:51 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: central_va

If you want to see an army of shoppers sliding their welfare cards through the reader at a check out line go to any Walmart on the first day of the month.

If it happens to fall on a Friday, the evening shopper crowd will be overwhelming.


128 posted on 10/10/2012 3:25:15 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Dan Nunn

Are you kidding.... This is a Walmart neighborhood store @ 42,000 sq ft....

Your avg reg grocery store....dollars to donuts if this was. publix grocery store going up...all you hear are crickets....

I could understand their concens if it was a super WM @ 100,000 sq ft plus which do cause traffic issues...

What a bunch of whiners ...


129 posted on 10/10/2012 4:06:08 PM PDT by Popman (November 7th...will be a good day for America..)
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To: Beowulf

There goes the property values and your quality of life. What a shame.

The nursery is going to be replaced by another business so maybe it could be worse.

You have to work on keeping the traffic for the store geared outside the neighborhood. You can also work to have them put up fencing and landscape to block the view of the store and parking lot from your neighborhood.


130 posted on 10/10/2012 4:13:18 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Popman

Great point, too bad you’re post #129!

And according to the article (which I just read), it also includes a Wawa. Anyone on the northeast coast would suggest that the original poster would be EXTREMELY LUCKY to have a Wawa going in nearby!


131 posted on 10/10/2012 4:13:23 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Dan Nunn

I watched the video first than read the article....the people in the video say it’s a super store.... They either are lying or the article is wrong because a 42,ooo sq ft grocery store actually rather small...and definitely not a super WM

....and yes you are 100 % correct about the wawa...

It will generate more traffic than the WM neighborhood store will...


132 posted on 10/10/2012 4:22:24 PM PDT by Popman (November 7th...will be a good day for America..)
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To: Rebelbase
If you want to see an army of shoppers sliding their welfare cards through the reader at a check out line go to any Walmart on the first day of the month.

Go to any store - not just walmart - on the first of the month, you will see the same thing.

133 posted on 10/10/2012 4:30:46 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Bella Vista does not need a Walmart. If they want something they can go SOUTH a couple of miles and there is the big one behind the Peale Mansion or they can go NORTH to the big one near Jane Missouri. Bella Vista is well covered under the Walmart umbrella

You miss the point. Walmart has tried to enter Bella Vista on more than one occasion and Bella Vista has successfully pushed back.

134 posted on 10/10/2012 4:31:37 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: Popman
You're absolutely right, the TBT says it's a Neighborhood Market...

Sigh. Mindless residents.

135 posted on 10/10/2012 4:50:53 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Get a different hobby, then.

Lionel and MTH trains are still made here. In fact, rocker Neil Young is a major player in Lionel.


136 posted on 10/10/2012 8:52:25 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: techrules2002

They get tax abatements because they employ a large number of new workers, both in the construction and in the operation of their superstores.

That tax revenue from those who work there offset any lost revenue from the abatement and is used as an incentive, Usually where a Wally’s opens, a Lowe’s or Home Depot follows...more jobs. MORE JOBS than the mom and pop stores ever provide, and at better benefits, too. As for the unionized groceries? They’re expensive, and when people go to Wal-Mart instead it puts another union=dominated business on notice that to survive they’ll have to somehow bust the union.

The reasons people oppose Wal-Mart are many and varied, and all bad reasons. The most odious are the NIMBY knockers who want their bucolic little areas to remain so. Well, you cannot stop progress or halt development. If you don’t like it, move somewhere else.


137 posted on 10/10/2012 8:57:52 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Sherman Logan

If you know history you’d know the 16th Amendment was never properly ratified by the senate.

There were a lot of shenanigans with Massachusetts that no one ever brings up.


138 posted on 10/10/2012 8:58:01 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: LearsFool

The business of America is business.

Period.

Local control ended April 9, 1865.

I’m a capitalist first and foremost. Quaint ideas such as yours will never be allowed to stop progress or making money.


139 posted on 10/10/2012 8:58:05 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: stocksthatgoup

As if Walmart is the only store that sells Chinese goods.


140 posted on 10/10/2012 9:00:18 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Hugin; Ruy Dias de Bivar; Emperor Palpatine
I suppose you buy all your groderies at a mom and pop store for double the price instead of a chain supermarket?

Well of course I do. I exercise my free choice.
And I'll add analogously, for instance, that I also get my dental work at a quality office and not a clinic mill. Prices are higher but the staff isn't stressed out by having to run volume to compensate for small profit margin, and they can take the time to do it right.
People have a choice and if you want cheap work it is always available.
It seems to me that these people fighting Walmart have a choice, too. Sounds like their community is currently protected by zoning which must be changed to open the way for Walmart crap, and they don't want it.
Consider this: A majority of the American people have always been against ObamaCare but the elites are still forcing it on us.
Or this: a majority of Americans want the illegal immigrant gates closed, but again the political elites do not listen
Or this: the Kelo v. City of New London (2005) eminent domain case where the local government took homes from citizens because they expected developers to build businesses that would increase New London's tax revenues. Last I heard the developers bailed, the land is barren with no prospect of development, and little or no tax revenue to the government.
So, do these Walmart resistors face a similar betrayal by their tax-revenue-voracious government entity with this proposed change of zoning that will change their community?

141 posted on 10/11/2012 3:32:49 AM PDT by Amagi (Chief Justice John Roberts is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
The reasons people oppose Wal-Mart are many and varied, and all bad reasons. The most odious are the NIMBY knockers who want their bucolic little areas to remain so. Well, you cannot stop progress or halt development. If you don’t like it, move somewhere else.

Good grief. Guess what? I liked my bucolic little America the way it was when I grew up and I do not like the change --- this trend to overbearing big government (even a government-capitalism-tax-revenue complex) but I'll be damned if I'm going to cut and run, but rather fight for what is right.

142 posted on 10/11/2012 3:55:34 AM PDT by Amagi (Chief Justice John Roberts is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: Amagi
I also get my dental work at a quality office and not a clinic mill. Prices are higher but the staff isn't stressed out by having to run volume to compensate for small profit margin, and they can take the time to do it right.

In other words, you are willing to pay for better service. Yet here the issue is really your argument why people shouldn't favor a place that sells Folger's for $7.99 a can over one that sells Folger's for $12.99.

143 posted on 10/11/2012 4:11:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Local control ended April 9, 1865.

No, it didn't end. The only question is whether it should be available to all, or only to those who can afford it (e.g. private gated communities, etc).

Quaint ideas such as yours will never be allowed to stop progress or making money.

Those "quaint ideas" of mine - small government, subsidiarity, etc. - aren't really mine. I stole them from the Founders. If they stand in the way of your "progress", then perhaps progressivism is your problem.
144 posted on 10/11/2012 4:28:57 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: central_va

Your statement shows that you either have no faith in your fellow citizens or you are just spouting words to provoke. The US can produce more quantity and quality products if we get government out of business.


145 posted on 10/11/2012 4:59:59 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: 1rudeboy
Product is only part of the equation.
Actually the bigger issue is that I personally value the service that people personally invested in their small businesses provide.
Funny, I know, kind of old fashioned Americana, but that's just me. I hope that's not passé yet or outlawed.

But we're getting away from the point, aren't we?
The issue here is a community that invested in homes and businesses and now they face possibility of the rules (rezoning) being changed on them after the fact in a way that they don't want.
It's a basic issue of fairness and who was there first, I think.
Why should they be forced to chose between picking up roots or living under circumstances that they didn't buy into?

146 posted on 10/11/2012 5:11:23 AM PDT by Amagi (Chief Justice John Roberts is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: Amagi
This thread got away from the point a long time ago. Even before you posted the link to a movie by that commielib.

So if you now want to return to the issue of zoning, I'll agree that that there should be no shenanigans regarding its change, if it occurs.

One point I will add to my own (I'm not saying you do not understand this, but I assure you that there are people on this thread who do not), the money that someone saves by going to a low-cost dental clinic does not the evaporate.

So the equation is:

$ = high cost dental + good service
$ = low cost dental + poor service + some other purchase

147 posted on 10/11/2012 5:23:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Emperor Palpatine
I’m a capitalist first and foremost.

Capitalist + a believer in strong Central Authority = Fascist (shoe fits in this case)

148 posted on 10/11/2012 6:01:53 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: LearsFool

A pure capitalist holds no allegiance to any nation or creed. Judas was a pure capitalist.


149 posted on 10/11/2012 6:04:23 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Did you get your last two comments from Marx, also? [snort]


150 posted on 10/11/2012 6:11:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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