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Walmart --- Can They Be Stopped? (vanity)
October 10, 2012 | me

Posted on 10/10/2012 8:09:47 AM PDT by Beowulf

Does any one have any experience or insight into fighting Walmart expansion that they would be willing to share?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: retail; vanity; walmart
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To: stayathomemom

Economic prosperity breeds MORE economic prosperity. Maybe not the same kind, but, other kinds.

Free markets change and adjust—businesses rise and fail.

The problem today is that regulation—local and federal—makes is much harder for new businesses to rise, hence when change makes them fail, new ones don’t replace them...and we have rust-belt style blight.

And we wonder why the rust-belt happens to also be in the bluer of blue states?


51 posted on 10/10/2012 8:50:37 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The innovator and now king of progressive persuasion video is Brave New Films [producer of Walmart: The High Cost Of Low Prices] and its visionary helmsman Robert Greenwald, who segued from a career in Hollywood to position himself as the go-to-guy with political video, with a huge presence on the Internet.

When AlterNet did its reader poll of the most influential progressives last year, some of the readers' picks, such as Bill Moyers, Michael Moore and Amy Goodman, were obvious and expected. In a sense there were only three newcomers (people who have made their mark in the past 10 years) in the top echelon -- Rachel Maddow, Arianna Huffington, and the biggest surprise, Robert Greenwald. In the past decade, Greenwald has carved out an important niche, and in effect he is the first primarily Internet-based progressive star to break through.


52 posted on 10/10/2012 8:52:22 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Beowulf

Who actually owns the property now? The former business? WalMart’s property-acquisition division? The city or county (picked up for unpaid property taxes, perhaps)?


53 posted on 10/10/2012 9:00:47 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

Why waste any energy on “stopping” Walmart? ALL of your energy should go into stopping pin-headed, moonbat LIBs. Unless...you a5re some sort of commie pinko in disguise.


54 posted on 10/10/2012 9:04:01 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Charles Martel

Why waste any energy on “stopping” Walmart? ALL of your energy should go into stopping pin-headed, moonbat LIBs. Unless...you are some sort of commie pinko in disguise.


55 posted on 10/10/2012 9:04:33 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: poobear

I agree with you. I am not against Wal-Mart, but I am not for them either.

Our town has a derelict former Wal-Mart store, which moved its business down the road. Its a real eyesore - weeds, graffiti, dumped garbage, etc... I imagine Wal-Mart doesn’t even own it. Its probably a property developer. I also know our town dropped their pants 15 years ago with benefits to get Wal-Mart to locate there.

Its futile to try to support the “mom and pops” but how about just applying the law equally? I also agree that maximum authority should be given to the lowest levels of Gov’t - ie) the town - to make decisions on their own future.


56 posted on 10/10/2012 9:06:13 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: listenhillary

Buy the land from Walmart so you can do with the land what you wish.

Finally, the voice of reason. This parcel could no doubt have been purchased for a song in 2009. Neighbors probably could have taken up a collection and paid cash.

They just assumed the property owner would continue to provide them with the enjoyment of the lack of development of the vacant lot for free. Bad assumption. Oh well.


57 posted on 10/10/2012 9:08:57 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (The wrong smoke detector might just kill you - http://www.theworldfiresafetyfoundation.org)
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To: Beowulf

If you want to stop the expansion of Walmart then:

A. Stop shopping there (if you haven’t already)
B. Convince as many people as possible to stop shopping there.

That’s the free market solution. The problem is that Walmart allows people to actually buy cheap food and clothing, and my God, people like that! It’ll be pretty hard to convince people to pay more for their items at other stores just because you don’t like Walmart.


58 posted on 10/10/2012 9:11:28 AM PDT by stremba
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To: Beowulf

Walmart = slavers


59 posted on 10/10/2012 9:16:08 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: stremba

there is nothing more expensive than cheap food and clothing, made by ChiCom slaves.


60 posted on 10/10/2012 9:18:18 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

WE do 98% of our grocery shopping at Kroger (which is unionized) - they beat WalMart on MOST prices. Further - WalMart doesn’t carry fresh meats - it is all water-injected, pre-processed garbage from a factory somewhere, and their seafood is often imported frozen from China.


61 posted on 10/10/2012 9:18:31 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: central_va
there is nothing more expensive than cheap food and clothing, made by ChiCom slaves

It's called globalization. You can choose to dislike it, but you can't choose to ignore it.

Someday, the standard of living in China will rise to the point that cheap labor will find somewhere else to go.

62 posted on 10/10/2012 9:21:19 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Beowulf

This is Free Republic. Is this a trick question?


63 posted on 10/10/2012 9:22:29 AM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: youngidiot

SERIOUSLY? Are you a freeper or a liberal in disguise?

Do you not believe in Capitalism?


64 posted on 10/10/2012 9:23:51 AM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: Beowulf

Unless there is enough community opposition that the elected officials fear for their careers in retaliation for allowing the re-zoning you’re gonna be SOL.


65 posted on 10/10/2012 9:23:57 AM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Dan Nunn
It's called globalization. You can choose to dislike it, but you can't choose to ignore it.

Karl Marx was a globalist Free Trader too. No thanks.

66 posted on 10/10/2012 9:24:06 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: neverbluffer

That post was to Beowulf, to youngidiot.....


67 posted on 10/10/2012 9:25:44 AM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: neverbluffer

That post was to Beowulf, to youngidiot.....


68 posted on 10/10/2012 9:25:52 AM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: central_va
Karl Marx was a globalist Free Trader too. No thanks.

You don't get to pick and choose how you want the economy to work, I'm sorry to say.

69 posted on 10/10/2012 9:25:52 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Beowulf

Walmart is planning a new store by us, a couple miles from one that is way too small. When they had the public comment time at zoning meeting, no one said a word, now suddenly, the anti Wal-Mart crowd is all up in arms and wants the project stopped. Sorry gang, it’s unconstitutional to change the law after the fact. You had your chance and blew it.


70 posted on 10/10/2012 9:27:00 AM PDT by cyclotic ( Obama's golden halo is really just a rusted hubcap)
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To: Beowulf

Good luck! They have been fought from coast to coast and rarely lose. At the end of the day you may hold them up for a couple of years but they will win out as will your attorneys whose fees you will pay.


71 posted on 10/10/2012 9:28:00 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Oztrich Boy

That was one helluva funny South Park. And the moral of the story was spot on too.


72 posted on 10/10/2012 9:29:23 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Don't forget to pay your union dues this month.

Excuse me?
For the record I am opposed to practically everything that unions represent in general, and public sector unions in particular.
I like that Walmart is non-union, but I have never liked Walmart enough to have ever shopped there.
I have never been a union member, rather I have always been a business owner since graduate school. Two businesses in fact, neither of which is a competitor to what Walmart peddles.
That having been said, your ignorant crack goes unappreciated. The complexity of the thread issue apparently exceeds your capacity to comprehend.

73 posted on 10/10/2012 9:31:33 AM PDT by Amagi (Chief Justice John Roberts is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: Dan Nunn
The Nazi's in WWII outsourced their means of production to east european countries that used slaves in concentration camps. Volkswagen and Siemens being two examples. How is that much different than what we are doing with China?

We need to put up strong tariffs against countries like China.

I never voted on moving our means of production overseas. This has national security implications. It needs to stop asap. There are flights daily to China I suggest anyone that likes the current state of affairs get on one and join their partners in the globalist world.

74 posted on 10/10/2012 9:32:14 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Beowulf

I believe in private property rights. If you own the land, don’t lease it to them.


75 posted on 10/10/2012 9:34:14 AM PDT by rbbeachkid (Get out of its way and small business can fix the economy.)
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To: central_va
there is nothing more expensive than cheap food and clothing, made by ChiCom slaves.

Tell that to local farmers in communities all over the US that supply WalMart with fresh produce............

76 posted on 10/10/2012 9:37:16 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Beowulf

My main issues with Walmart.

1) Way to much stuff from China.Why not import more from other counties ?
2) They stopped selling Sam’s Club Water in their vending machines.
3)Some of the stores took away their outside benches.


77 posted on 10/10/2012 9:42:24 AM PDT by Leep (Forward! to serfdom)
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To: Beowulf

If the other stores are that close, are you sure it’s not a Neighborhood Market going in?


78 posted on 10/10/2012 9:48:31 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (I'm no racist!! I just hate white folks!!! - BHO 2007)
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To: Beowulf

Why don’t you post this over at Democratic Underground. I’m sure they will be glad to help you.

Personally I love WalMart.


79 posted on 10/10/2012 9:50:55 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Amagi

I suppose you buy all your groderies at a mom and pop store for double the price instead of a chain supermarket?


80 posted on 10/10/2012 9:59:55 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: AnalogReigns

The “Free Market” spiel is almost always brought up when someone wants to challenge a new Walmart.

I have helped dissuade several Walmarts from locating somewhere by citing a “Free and equal” market does not give away the huge pot of incentives Walmart always demands when the competing local merchants get nothing. When Walmart does not get unfair concessions, they locate somewhere else.

Think about it - why should the local merchants already in existence, basically give money(tax abatements, etc.) to build competition to put themselves out of business?

That’s not a “Free and equal” market.


81 posted on 10/10/2012 10:03:29 AM PDT by techrules2002
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To: Go_Raiders

This is my weakness. The state I live in has bought much land to set aside for parks and conservation of wildlife. While I truly enjoy this, I know it is wrong at some level to use government in this manner.

If someone bought a piece of land and put something obnoxious there, my recourse would be to convince a jury that I have been harmed in some manner or buy the land myself or with a group.

The answer is not to use the force of government to harass a property owner with undue regulation on how they use their property when they are causing no one any harm.


82 posted on 10/10/2012 10:04:25 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: hal ogen
Why waste any energy on “stopping” Walmart? ALL of your energy should go into stopping pin-headed, moonbat LIBs. Unless...you are some sort of commie pinko in disguise.

Hey, I was just curious as to whether WalMart already owned the property in question. Kindly direct your disparaging comments to the originator of the thread, hal.

83 posted on 10/10/2012 10:05:55 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Beowulf

They found an Indian graveyard at the proposed Wal-mart site here. That pretty much killed it. They had to move a mile down the road.


84 posted on 10/10/2012 10:21:58 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: neverbluffer

Me? All I said was “God Almighty” in disgust.


85 posted on 10/10/2012 10:34:20 AM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: Beowulf
To the person without a job who goes to work at this new WM your arguments don't fly. To people who have seen their cost of living rise much faster than their wages (supposing they have a job)a lower cost store like WM helps to stretch their pittance a bit further.

As for “One can go in any direction from this spot and within two miles shop at an existing Walmart if one wanted to do so”, this is physically impossible. Just how many WM’s would that be?

86 posted on 10/10/2012 10:42:50 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: 1rudeboy
AlterNet?

Now THERE'S a reliable source.

87 posted on 10/10/2012 10:56:51 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (That was sarcasm, you moron.)
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To: Beowulf

I’m all for Wal-Mart.

Why are you here with an anti-business agenda that the unions support? This is something liberals would say and try to do.

I hope they win and build there. Just to tick off you NIMBY whiners who probably love HOA’s and the little Hitlers that run them, too.


88 posted on 10/10/2012 11:06:49 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Amagi

If mom and pop stores can’t compete, they deserve to go out of business.

Funny, I thought this site supported capitalism and free markets.

But I guess you buy into all this NIMBY crap the liberals do.


89 posted on 10/10/2012 11:07:11 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: central_va
You must be in a union. That sounds like their BS.
90 posted on 10/10/2012 11:07:22 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
You must be in a union. That sounds like their BS.

I am a professional engineer. No union for me.

91 posted on 10/10/2012 11:12:58 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Karl Marx was a globalist Free Trader too.

How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
--Ronald Reagan

Still in the ranks of the former, and not the latter, I see.
92 posted on 10/10/2012 11:15:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Answer this and we can continue: Would it make sense to totally off shore to China and else where all of our means of production? If not why? Surely the most efficient way to manufacture is to let third worlders do it. Nobody, I mean nobody, in the USA can compete with 2 bucks a day.


93 posted on 10/10/2012 11:21:24 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
No, let's stick to your fundamental misunderstanding of Marx and Marxism, first. Karl Marx believed that capitalism would lead to the inevitable triumph of the proletariat over the bourgeoisie. According to you, does that make Marx a champion of capitalism?

And to answer your question: no, it does not make sense to oppose the construction of a retail location in order to prevent off-shoring.

94 posted on 10/10/2012 11:28:59 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GraceG
No, not for that sole reason alone, but the governemnt is supposed to be funded via tariffs not an income tax.

Income taxes are not unconstitutional.

16th Amendment. One of the last times an unconstitutional practice was made to be constitutional by amending the Constitution, the way it was supposed to be done.

This was before statists figured out they could just ignored the Constitution.

95 posted on 10/10/2012 11:31:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Charles Martel

My intention was commenting on the whole thread. Apologies.


96 posted on 10/10/2012 11:32:47 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Dan Nunn
I remember Tampa's North Dale Mabry Highway back in the day. A veritable rolling parking lot. State Senator John Grant even floated the idea of elevating a second road directly above it. Thank goodness that boondoggle never saw the light of day. Rush hour traffic only got bearable when the Veterans Toll Expressway finally siphoned off some traffic. It was as bad as the 405 to Simi Valley.

Has Dale Mabry Highway congestion really diminished such that traffic choke points can now be re-established?

Additionally, I wonder if this is a 24 hour Walmart and if so, whether residents in close proximity would welcome such an attraction to some of those who prowl the middle of the night in their neighborhood.

As for me, I would Hope not to see such a Change ever in my neighborhood.

97 posted on 10/10/2012 11:35:13 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (Expel the Occupy White House squatters !!!)
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To: Tuanedge

So the thieves in Jacksonville know where to get desirable merchandise.

You can’t fault Walmart for the flash mob.


98 posted on 10/10/2012 11:40:04 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Beowulf

It never ceases to amaze me when FReepers oppose federalism, small government, subsidiarity, devolution of power, and local control - and then call themselves “conservatives”. (We used to say when I was a kid, “I’ll take this all the way to the Supreme Court if I have to!”)

You wanna try to keep Wal-Mart out? Go for it. Persuade your neighbors. It’s your community, after all, so it’s your decision.

As you’ve seen, opposing a business (no matter what the circumstances) really gets these faux conservatives worked up.

The only crime worse that that is supporting a home-owners’ association! :-)


99 posted on 10/10/2012 11:41:41 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Beowulf

Contact the local SEIU or UFCW office, they will put you in touch with people who will be glad to use you to help stop Wal-Mart.


100 posted on 10/10/2012 11:49:48 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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