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Need help with home defense weapon (vanity)

Posted on 10/20/2012 3:50:05 PM PDT by Magnatron

We are moving to North Carolina next year from New Jersey. New Jersey has some real draconian gun laws, so I hesitated while here to buy anything aside from the .38 special I have in the house for protection. I didn't even bring my hunting guns from Michigan because of the same laws. My understanding is that North Carolina has gun laws much easier to deal with, so when we move, I'd like to bring my guns from Michigan for hunting, as well as equip our home for home defense.

I travel quite a bit for work, and I'd like to have available weapons for my wife to access if the necessity every arose. My intention is to have her fully trained on the use of these weapons, including techniques necessary for her safety and protection.

What guns would you recommend for a 105 pound woman to have available? Also, we have a 7-year-old in the house. What safe-keeping devices would you recommend to keep the guns in that would provide instant access for her should she ever need to use them?


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1 posted on 10/20/2012 3:50:13 PM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Magnatron

20 gauge shotgun is a good point and shoot for an adult woman. It will not penetrate walls well so your 7 year old will be safer.


2 posted on 10/20/2012 3:53:37 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Magnatron

The best safety device is the human brain. Get the boy a 22 and take him shooting and let him know that any time he wants to look at guns, you will gladly take them out and let him handle them safely. Make sure there is no mystery or magic about them.

AS for home defense, get a Mossberg 500 12 gauge shotgun with a pistol grip. You don’t even have to aim very well to hit your target. When shot from the hip/waist, your wife will hardly notice the recoil.


3 posted on 10/20/2012 3:57:49 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: struggle

Agreed. 20 ga. tactical, 18 inch barrel. Even kids can handle and shotgun is the most effective personal defense weapon there is according to studies. Rem. 870 is a good choice with buckshot.


4 posted on 10/20/2012 3:58:23 PM PDT by Any Fate But Submission
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To: Magnatron

The .38 special with good loads should be fine.

The 7 year old makes it a whole new ball game. It all depends on how reliable the kid is. Also make sure to have him/her take an NRA gun safety class. Never make the gun a forbidden fruit. If the kid wants to know about it, that is a good time to show some good safe handling. Make sure it is unloaded and explain in the strongest possible language just how dangerous a gun can be if handled carelessly.


5 posted on 10/20/2012 3:59:05 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Magnatron

Two is one, and one is none.


6 posted on 10/20/2012 4:00:07 PM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: Magnatron
Serbu Super Shorty...


7 posted on 10/20/2012 4:01:39 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: yarddog

>>The 7 year old makes it a whole new ball game. It all depends on how reliable the kid is. Also make sure to have him/her take an NRA gun safety class. Never make the gun a forbidden fruit. If the kid wants to know about it, that is a good time to show some good safe handling. Make sure it is unloaded and explain in the strongest possible language just how dangerous a gun can be if handled carelessly.

My 8 year old daughter has a pink Daisy bb-gun with targets and safety goggles and only touches the gun when papa lets her. Next step is her 12th birthday, where she’ll go to a range with a .22. She loves her bb-gun and knows every safety rule.


8 posted on 10/20/2012 4:02:42 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Magnatron

What is her shooting experience? That will determine a great deal. Despite my best efforts, Mrs. Slim dislikes handgun recoil, so I got her a S&W 351, which is a scandium snubnose .22 magnum 7 shot. 11 ounces, no recoil, and Hornady now makes a Critical Defense loading in the .22 mag that reaches 1000+ FPS out of the 2” barrel, expands nicely, and has shown 9+ inches of expansion in ballistic gelatin.


9 posted on 10/20/2012 4:02:42 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Magnatron

Another northerner moving down to North Carolina! Is it our wonderful weather, better economy, lack of insane white hating liberals, or friendly people? :)

Raleigh or Charlotte?


10 posted on 10/20/2012 4:03:24 PM PDT by NY4Romney
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To: Magnatron

You came to the right place.

My girlfriend and I live in Raleigh, NC. She’s third in command of a security company (runs all the armed guards, loss prevention officers, etc.). Also their trainer. FReepmail me, and if you guys move near Raleigh, she’ll train your Missus; trips to the shooting range, the works; just to help out.

As for laws, guns, etc.....Not bad here in NC. A handgun license will cost you $5 at the Sheriff’s office. If you happen to have a concealed carry permit (referred to here as a “CCW license”), that serves as your “license” no matter how many guns you choose to buy. Just FYI.

We have numerous handguns here in the house, plus a pump 12 gauge Remington shotgun with combat grip. Great for home defense; the sound of that pump alone will scare the hell out of any perp. As was pointed out above, the big advantage of a shotgun is the fact that you/she can shoot and not worry about putting rounds downrange through 4-5-6 walls.

That said...our primary handgun of choice around the house is the Glock 30......a sweet LITTLE .45. Virtually no recoil. An amazing handgun, but you DO need to practice with it, as you do with any handgun, to gain proficiency. It has serious stopping power, is easy to handle (even for a small woman).

I’d opt for both: a pump 12 gauge and the Glock 30 (she and I each have one; sequestered in different parts of the house.....not to mention his and hers Glock 23 Gen 4’s, a .357 magnum, a .38, a 9mm, etc.).


11 posted on 10/20/2012 4:06:33 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Magnatron
There should be some self defense classes somewhere down there. In case something does happen you have shown an intent to do things the proper way.
12 posted on 10/20/2012 4:07:27 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Magnatron
A couple of others have already offered the optimum advice. However, don't shorten the barrel less than 19 inches. Randy Weaver had his wife and son murdered by the feds because of faulty measuring his barrel ended up 1/8 inch shorter than the 18 inch minimum.

#0 or #00 Buckshot is probably the best choice for projectiles. Slugs would be next on the list.

Some training should be mandatory.

The most important aspect is whether she willing to kill someone if necessary and appropriate. If there is any hesitation on that answer, she is not ready to defend herself or others with a firearm.

13 posted on 10/20/2012 4:08:32 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Magnatron
You need to keep her with a big bore snubbie.


14 posted on 10/20/2012 4:09:31 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: NY4Romney

But NC did go for Obozo in ‘08. Temporary insanity?


15 posted on 10/20/2012 4:10:18 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You’d be amazed what you can miss with a shotgun, 10,000 Sporting Clays targets a year has taught me that.


16 posted on 10/20/2012 4:10:22 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Magnatron
I agree with the others that a 20 ga. is the easiest gun for a woman to handle if you want to go the shoulder fired weapon route. But since there might be others in the house I would not suggest using buckshot. Buckshot will easily go through modern day home-apartment walls. Get what is called “BB” shot gun rounds. “BB” is the same size as what we had as a kid in our BB guns, but the shell will hold around 125 of them and they will be moving alot faster. “BB” is usually used for pheasant or turkey. Thats what I would have in my shotgun if I was concerned about hitting innocent people in the next room.
17 posted on 10/20/2012 4:11:06 PM PDT by Lockbar (Romney's job on day one: Shut down all the Obama Phones)
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To: Magnatron

Mossberg Model 500


18 posted on 10/20/2012 4:11:09 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Magnatron
Personally, for that situation, I like a short-barrelled 20-gauge double. It can be kept open & unloaded, with no other safety device, with the shells on a high shelf close by; maybe in the same closet. Four or so shells loose & easy to load, and another 4-6 shells in a buttstock sleeve like the one Uncle Mike's makes, which holds five. It wouldn't be kept on the gun, but can be conveniently picked up & carried, or slipped over the stock easily if there's time. Some of these guns are made with a "tactical" forend, which could mount a laser sight &/or a high-intensity flashlight. You could use buckshot, but at the distances of most household encounters, something like #6 birdshot is just as effective & less likely to penetrate walls. A youth-model pump-action shotgun would be more versatile for hunting, etc., & makes that lovely sound as a shell is jacked into the chamber, but is a little slower to load for the first shot in a pinch & might be a little harder to learn to use for a rookie. The 12-gauge is a little heavier. There are .410 gauge models, but those smaller barrels are a little less intimidating than staring down the end of a 12 or 20-gauge double.
19 posted on 10/20/2012 4:12:08 PM PDT by MN Doc
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Lol, large black population in some of the poorer urban areas, like Durham, Greensboro, Winston Salem...

As long as you’re in the nice suburban areas its wonderful.


20 posted on 10/20/2012 4:15:03 PM PDT by NY4Romney
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL! When a perp hears the sound of a slide being racked he will be moving fast, but not as fast as a sporting clay. I doubt you would miss many sporting clays if they were as big as a man.


21 posted on 10/20/2012 4:16:28 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Magnatron

A can of wasp spray, the kind that shoots 20 feet.


22 posted on 10/20/2012 4:21:07 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Magnatron
Take her to a gun show or two, or a gun shop. Let her try on a few different weapons. My wife is also small, and she prefers a .410, the Circuit Judge specifically.

The issue is to get your wife a weapon she feels comfortable with and will use.

23 posted on 10/20/2012 4:21:10 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The only thing the bastards should be hearing this side of eternity is the sound of the safety clicking off.

/.02

24 posted on 10/20/2012 4:21:46 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Magnatron

I have a Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun.

Get yourself one of those. And practice.


25 posted on 10/20/2012 4:21:46 PM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: Magnatron

Wife needs a Ruger LCP hammerless 5 shot revolver with laser grip. She should CC it in a safety holster on her person at all times. Goes in the safe at bed time. Then, the trigger lock comes off the Mossberg 88 which is under the bed.

And, as others have wisely said, get that kid shooting a .22. I started at 7 with a single shot bolt action .22 rifle. Never, in a million years would I have taken a gun out for play because I knew there was a time and place for it.


26 posted on 10/20/2012 4:24:23 PM PDT by anton
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Even Helen Keller, Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder can hit a target w/ a 12ga & buck/birdshot, at 10-15ft. Sporting clay shooting are ‘nother story. :^)


27 posted on 10/20/2012 4:25:05 PM PDT by carriage_hill (The 0bummer Penguin & Bidet Joker: We played this country like a harp from hell.)
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To: Magnatron

The .38 special revolver is fine for home D. Its easy for novices to be safe with a revolver IMO.


28 posted on 10/20/2012 4:26:15 PM PDT by omega4179 ( el 0bama comio un perro)
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To: Magnatron

A big dog is the best protection....and they give love, too


29 posted on 10/20/2012 4:26:31 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: struggle; All

God Bless Free Republic!


30 posted on 10/20/2012 4:27:48 PM PDT by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Jedidah

And hold a Bic Lighter just 2-3” out from the nozzle; it’s an amazing flamethrower. (Have a fire extinguisher nearby!)


31 posted on 10/20/2012 4:28:11 PM PDT by carriage_hill (The 0bummer Penguin & Bidet Joker: We played this country like a harp from hell.)
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32 posted on 10/20/2012 4:29:04 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“When a perp hears the sound of a slide being racked he will be moving fast,...”

Especially if he loads-up his pants at the sound. LOL.


33 posted on 10/20/2012 4:30:50 PM PDT by carriage_hill (The 0bummer Penguin & Bidet Joker: We played this country like a harp from hell.)
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To: Magnatron

Remington 870 20 gauge with #4 shot to minimize o er penetration.


34 posted on 10/20/2012 4:32:05 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.")
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To: tomkat
"The only thing the bastards should be hearing this side of eternity is the sound of the safety clicking off."

Glocks don't have safeties. We have 4 Glocks. [insert evil, insane laugh here]

35 posted on 10/20/2012 4:32:21 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: USS Alaska
Hahahahaha...I like it....like I like this!

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36 posted on 10/20/2012 4:34:39 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Dr Erkel and Mr. Jive...lurking the streets of DC)
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To: Magnatron

Agreed with the shotgun as best choice.
Find a place where you can try various loads and see if the 20 or 12 gauge is easiest for you to handle. BB turkey loads are a good choice. I alternate 3” 12 gauge turkey loads with 00 Buckshot in my magazine.

The idea of “no need to aim - just point and shoot” is pure BS. You HAVE to aim. Shot doesn’t spread out that quickly - unless you own a mansion and are shooting down 25 yard hallways. I recommend a tactical light be mounted on the weapon - helps in aiming and can sufficiently “dazzle” the target so that you may have a few more seconds to choose what to do.


37 posted on 10/20/2012 4:36:10 PM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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With home invasion and subsequent shooting, you'd better have a reliable cleaning service to clean up the mess........

Just sayin' since threads of this kind never give any thought to that aspect.

38 posted on 10/20/2012 4:40:04 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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Alot of good advice here. And welcome to the carolinas. The suggestions of the mossberg 500 are good ones. Wanting a long gun addition, I went with the poor mans 500 and got the Maverick 88 12G made by mossberg(The reviews tell it all). 8 rnds in case of zombie attack... Maybe you should hit one of our local firing ranges and rent some different ones and see what makes your eyes sparkle..lol


39 posted on 10/20/2012 4:40:36 PM PDT by NCDave (AKA, "That idiot over there")
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To: Magnatron

Thank RINO Christie for not having the spine to straighten out NJ’s idiotic gun laws – no guts at all. Anyway – the 38 Special will do fine. Use any of the commercial “FBI loads” – 158 grain LSWHP loaded to +P velocity – no “exotics” such as Glasers or the such. Teach the 7 year old to leave it alone. A short barreled shotgun would be fine, but in 12 gauge, not 20. Bigger payload & easier to hit with. Not a pump – the whole premise of “letting them hear me rack the slide – maybe that’ll be enough of a deterrent” is utter and complete BS. The first and ONLY sound I want an intruder to hear would be the LAST sound he ever heard – BOOM! A good semi auto makes more sense by far, especially for somebody unfamiliar with weapons – keep it loaded with one in the chamber and a full magazine. Just push off the safety and shoot to kill. Remember – shoot to kill – dead people cannot sue anybody. And DO NOT say anything more to the 911 dispatcher (you’ll be recorded and it WILL be used against you) or “Barney” (when he finally leaves Krispy Kreme and eventually shows up) other than what you look like / what you’re dressed in, that you will be waiting with your weapon in a safe condition, that you were IN FEAR FOR YOUR LIFE and that you’ll answer all questions the donut boys have AS SOON AS YOUR LAWYER IS PRESENT and not one second sooner – remember – EVERYTHING you tell the cop (who’s eagerly looking for a pat on the head or a promotion) WILL be used against you. Good luck.


40 posted on 10/20/2012 4:41:37 PM PDT by Nathaniel (- A Man Without A Cross -)
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To: Magnatron

A baseball bat or stick or metal rod or kitchen knife handy at each door.

A chain bolt at each entrance.

A “safe room” to retreat to, with heavier duty stuff at the ready.


41 posted on 10/20/2012 4:41:37 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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42 posted on 10/20/2012 4:43:10 PM PDT by NCDave (AKA, "That idiot over there")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It’s a chilling moment when a racking slide is ignored. Never count on that noise to become a magic fear/obedience ray. Some bad guys are too stoned or jaded to care. Sme MS13 type will laugh and start walking towards you. If you counted on that slide rack to scare him, now YOU are the one behiind the curve because what you expected, didn’t happen.
As for missing with a shotgun, it’s VERY easy to do.
The pattern on a cylinder bore is about an inch for every yard from the target.
Across a typical room about 12 wide, think of a pattern about the size of a fist.
Inside most houses a 15 foot distance between you and an offender is a rarity.

Yes, with a shotgun you had better aim, or you can most certainly can and will miss.


43 posted on 10/20/2012 4:43:40 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: struggle

That and tell the little ones to tell their pediatricians that the family lost all of the guns in a boating accident


44 posted on 10/20/2012 4:44:10 PM PDT by al baby (“If Barack Obama has a Harvard law degree, he didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”)
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To: P.O.E.

“Retreating” to a “safe room”? No way. If your state has adopted the Castle Doctrine, it is better to remove the intruder from the gene pool than to “retreat”.


45 posted on 10/20/2012 4:44:39 PM PDT by Nathaniel (- A Man Without A Cross -)
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To: P.O.E.

“Retreating” to a “safe room”? No way. If your state has adopted the Castle Doctrine, it is better to remove the intruder from the gene pool than to “retreat”.


46 posted on 10/20/2012 4:44:46 PM PDT by Nathaniel (- A Man Without A Cross -)
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To: Magnatron
Watch this video then tell me a .22 cal can't be used for home defense. Just got mine in the mail. 10/22 In Action
47 posted on 10/20/2012 4:45:07 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: carriage_hill

“Stevie Wonder can hit a target w/ a 12ga & buck/birdshot, at 10-15ft”

Think so? 10 to 15 feet? That’s a 3 to 5 inch pattern with the least restrictive choke possible. (cylinder bore)


48 posted on 10/20/2012 4:47:09 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Nathaniel

Always good to have a “plan b”. That’s the idea of a safe room.


49 posted on 10/20/2012 4:47:24 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: carriage_hill

I’ve missed some doozies, up close, going slow, and in good light.


50 posted on 10/20/2012 4:55:59 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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